RTX 5080 - premature review - it sucks

[Psychoholic]

Guess you live in murica - in the rest of the world it's more than 3k. Utterly insane pricing.

Yeah..
Its only 2K here if you get insanely lucky and find it in the microsecond it is in stock somewhere, otherwise its moot because scalpers are charging 3K+ lol

 

[Dragam1337]

Yeah..
Its only 2K here if you get insanely lucky and find it in the microsecond it is in stock somewhere, otherwise its moot because scalpers are charging 3K+ lol

Store prices starts at 3.5k in eu.

 

[Fizban]

Just FYI, every game that is unoptimized on pc runs like complete crap on consoles as well. We are talking about 640p and below res and 15 to 20 fps. Jedi survivor forspoken etc.

Games do not run that bad on the consoles.
Not even in your cherrypicked examples.

Forspoken's worst drops were to around 20 fps, in its quality mode that targets 30 fps. In its Performance mode that targets 60 fps, it drops to around 45 fps at lowest.

Quality Mode upscales to 4K, Performance upscales to 1440P.

The upscaling it uses is dynamic, so the resolution varies on the demand, but at its absolute lowest, it is 50%. ie. The lowest resolution it EVER upscales from is 720P, and that is in the mode that is a locked 60 fps in most areas, and is above 45 fps even in the very worst case scenarios.

The Quality mode, that sometimes drops as low as 1080P internally, does drop to 20ish fps in some specific areas, but it is also a locked 30 fps in most of the game.

That data is from this video:

More recent patches made it better than that, but even in its launch state it was nowhere near as bad as you are trying to suggest.

 

[AusWolf]

The uplift is 200$ lower price or 16% less cost at 16% better performance 5080 vs 4080. perf$ has certainly improved.
For the first few months it's like this and we have people who are paid to sit in line and then sell for a profit. The society is broken what can we do.

Why does everybody compare to the 4080 like the 4080 Super never existed? It doesn't make any sense to me.

The uplift vs the 4080 Super in both performance and price is zero.

 

[Fizban]

I can't comprehend why anyone would buy a 5080... get a 2nd hand 4090 instead, way better value...

Debateable. I've seen used 4090's still selling for over $1800.

 

[Dragam1337]

Debateable. I've seen used 4090's still selling for over $1800.

It obviously depends on the market in your specific country... both for the price on the 5080, and 2nd hand price on 4090. But i reckon 2nd hand price on 4090 will go up after this sh1t show launch.

 

[N/A]

Why does everybody compare to the 4080 like the 4080 Super never existed? It doesn't make any sense to me.

The uplift vs the 4080 Super in both performance and price is zero.

The real generation is on a 2 year period track. The real 4080 S inheritor is the 5080 S, but that may never see the light of day as the 3GB chips are 40Gbs, the uplift is substantial.
that hints we're directly heading for 6080.

 

[AusWolf]

The real generation is on a 2 year period track. The real 4080 S inheritor is the 5080 S, but that may never see the light of day and the 3GB chips are 40Gbs, the uplift is substantial.
that hints we're directly heading for 6080.

No, those are just model names, totally arbitrary, made up by Nvidia to make them look different. They're not. They're the same architecture, same chip even. If they could sell the Super for a grand, then there was no reason to sell the vanilla 4080 for $200 more other than greed. No comparison should be made to such a bad value card when a better one came out a year later from the same company. It's the Super that we wanted improvement upon this time, not the vanilla 4080.

Edit: You can be sure that a shit ton of Blackwell chips are being reserved for the Super cards coming soon, hence the "shortage". Super is not a new generation, not even a refresh. It's just artificial product segmentation. The illusion of Nvidia giving you more without actually giving you more.

Edit 2: If I make a comparison to last gen, damn right I'll make it to the better card with the better price tag, not the worse one, regardless of the label on the box.

 

[Fizban]

The real generation is on a 2 year period track. The real 4080 S inheritor is the 5080 S, but that may never see the light of day as the 3GB chips are 40Gbs, the uplift is substantial.
that hints we're directly heading for 6080.

The really weird thing is laptops are getting 3 GB chips, but the desktops aren't. 5090 Mobile will be based on the 5080 desktop die, but has 3 GB VRAM chips.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The really weird thing is laptops are getting 3 GB chips, but the desktops aren't. 5090 Mobile will be based on the 5080 desktop die, but has 3 GB VRAM chips.

Margins and volume are higher would be my guess.

 

[Fizban]

Margins and volume are higher would be my guess.

Probably pricing-related, yeah. I was shocked because all the rumors and leaks for the 5090 Mobile was it being a 16 GB GPU, and then Jensen came out and announced it was 24 GB.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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Canadian Prices of course.

This is not surprising.

 

[sepheronx]

This is not surprising.

no it isn't.

What is more surprising is people willing to pay that kind of money.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What is more surprising is people willing to pay that kind of money.

Not really. The prices suck but people can afford it and NVidia knows it.

 

[sepheronx]

Not really. The prices suck but people can afford it and NVidia knows it.

You will be surprised but actually no. People cant.

Debt levels in Canada has skyrocketed and ever more so now than before, people are living paycheck to paycheck. I think last time they said it was about 70% of the population. And with now a growing trade war potential between us and you guys, its gonna get much worst for us.

It is a case of "I gotta have it because....." and they buy it with credit. Some aspect too is scalpers. I ran into quite a few of them at memoryexpress in Calgary during crypto craze.

I dunno. This is just completely wrong and the enthusiast computing industry is going in a wrong direction. Making it a rich mans game as opposed to being for everyone. Gaming industry is the major part of the reason with their brute force methods to get a game to even run.

Anyway, whatever. I need a new hobby.

 

[Dragam1337]

Not really. The prices suck but people can afford it and NVidia knows it.

SOME people can afford it. Lots of people on ancient hardware as evident per steam hardware surveys - presumably largely due to prices.

 

[wolf]

The uplift vs the 4080 Super in both performance and price is zero

Today I leaned that 14% at the same price is zero.

I'm not applauding it, but it's not zero.

 

[Dragam1337]

Today I leaned that 14% at the same price is zero.

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I'm not applauding it, but it's not zero.

It is not zero (unlike 3060 ti to 4060 ti), but it sure aint impressive.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You will be surprised but actually no. People cant.

Where you live maybe. Where I live, people can. It's not uncommon.

Today I leaned that 14% at the same price is zero.

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I'm not applauding it, but it's not zero.

Compare apples to apples, IE 4080 to 5080. That's 16%. Also, the 4080 was $1200 at release.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Specs

NVIDIA AD103, 2505 MHz, 9728 Cores, 304 TMUs, 112 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6X, 1400 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

So in reality, the 5080 is 16% better and $200 less expensive.

These facts are what make the 5080 a mixed bag to react to. It's a disappointment and should have been called a 5070ti, but it's still an improvement in both performance and price from the previous gen.

 

[Dragam1337]

Where you live maybe. Where I live, people can. It's not uncommon.

World wide the vast majority of people can't.

 

[lexluthermiester]

World wide the vast majority of people can't.

Those people either need to save money longer or aim for a lower tier card or an older gen card. Affordability is not a new dynamic. The same rules apply now as they always have: Buy what you can afford at the time you want to buy, or save more money for a later purchase.

 

[wolf]

It is not zero (unlike 3060 ti to 4060 ti), but it sure aint impressive.

I can respect that for sure, but there's no reason to claim it's zero when it's not.

Compare apples to apples, IE 4080 to 5080. That's 16%. Also, the 4080 was $1200 at release.
So in reality, the 5080 is 16% better and $200 less expensive.
These facts are what make the 5080 a mixed bag to react to.

I can see why people would compare to the super, it's the closest most modern product it replaces. But yeah still not zero, it's more at the same price at the very least. 14% more on average when as GPU limited as possible, of course based on TPU's selection. It can be 20%+ faster in some scenario's, as well as basically the same in others, although I'd expect drivers/game patches/optimisation to remedy those rare edge cases in time.

Personally I'd be expecting that gap to slowly widen over time too, as we see the architectural changes and enhancements in Blackwell get leveraged.

 

[Dragam1337]

Those people either need to save money longer or aim for a lower tier card or an older gen card. Affordability is not a new dynamic. The same rules apply now as they always have: Buy what you can afford at the time you want to buy, or save more money for a later purchase.

Nvidias pricing and the scalping has considerably changed that dynamic. Sub 200 usd gpus are a thing of the past, which was previously what was sold in by far the largest quantities, cause it's what "the masses" could afford. It's why 1060 remained top of steam chart for many years. What is being sold now at 300 usd is utter garbage.

Living in a bubble of wealth might make it hard relate to, but in many eastern european countries people on average earn about 500 usd per month pre taxes.

 

[sepheronx]

Where you live maybe. Where I live, people can. It's not uncommon.

Really? Aren't you in the US where essentially the statistics are very similar?

Then again, your country is broke, and living off of debt so I guess debt isn't too much of an issue for you Yanks. Borrow till eternity.

 

[mkppo]

No, those are just model names, totally arbitrary, made up by Nvidia to make them look different. They're not. They're the same architecture, same chip even. If they could sell the Super for a grand, then there was no reason to sell the vanilla 4080 for $200 more other than greed. No comparison should be made to such a bad value card when a better one came out a year later from the same company. It's the Super that we wanted improvement upon this time, not the vanilla 4080.

Edit: You can be sure that a shit ton of Blackwell chips are being reserved for the Super cards coming soon, hence the "shortage". Super is not a new generation, not even a refresh. It's just artificial product segmentation. The illusion of Nvidia giving you more without actually giving you more.

Edit 2: If I make a comparison to last gen, damn right I'll make it to the better card with the better price tag, not the worse one, regardless of the label on the box.

It's strange how people still keep referring to the $1200 price when I put through an example of why it should be $1000 instead, provided an analogy, made a few points etc not once but a few times in the other thread. Too tired to explain it all here again, but I have a question - when the GTX480 launched do you think people were comparing it to it's $650 predecessor, or after it's MSRP correction to $500? That's where the answer lies.

The other baffling thing is, let's say the 4080S was actually the same performance as 5080. Now when you're trying to defend the 5080, would you use the 4080's $1200 price and say hey, massive price/$ improvement here folks? Naah, people would go like 'the 4080S already made that exact price/$ increase on the previous gen a year back so this is pointless'. Well, the 4080S almost did, it was just ~11% off.

At the end of the day you can compare it to whatever and make it look good. Someone did it against a GTX980 to show just how good it is. But the one thing it doesn't have by it's side is gen on gen improvements. It's anemic at best, and one of the worst i've seen in their history.