AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Accounts for Almost 90% of "Zen 5" Sales, Rest of 9000 Series in Trouble

[katzi]

You can't even get a 9800X3D at MSRP in New Zealand.

The it's Unobtaintium. It's cheaper to buy a Threadripper or Xeon from some retailers. Just unreal.

 

[ratirt]

No surprise here. Mind factory is mostly for regular users and it is not so strange that most of the sales for the company is 9800x3d from the 9000 series CPUs. If someone does more than just games but combine the gaming and work, then also 9800x3d should be your pick.
Would not say AMD is in trouble. Actually, far from it.

 

[maximumterror]

people still waiting for 9900 non x with 65w

 

[windwhirl]

people still waiting for 9900 non x with 65w

Aside from price, you can do that yourself by setting up manual TDP in the BIOS on any X variant

 

[Daven]

Either AMD is being coy with its future plans or they don’t realize they could move all L3 cache to a separate, stacked die making more room for cores in the CCD.

 

[hsew]

Who would have thought that AMD overcrowding certain segments of the market and thus competing with themselves would be so detrimental?

nVidia doesn’t have this issue, so I don’t understand why AMD doesn’t just take a page out of their book and just stop production of those parts.

If it has to do with contractual obligations, then, going forward, AMD should write those contracts with less specificity in order to be more agile with their deliverables.

it’s a disappointing generation from both Intel and amd
Both should look in to making a core that targets high clocks

How about no? That nearly three-decades-old mentality of chasing higher clocks is long obsolete. All it nets today are diminishing performance increases at best, at the cost of exponentially worse thermals and efficiency. It’s downright counterproductive today, especially since modern CPUs don’t even turbo up to their maximum clocks for more than a fleeting moment, just to back down due to thermals.

 

[sephiroth117]

9000 serie is very interesting for the future because of all the efficiency gain and IPC gain etc

the current iteration is too expensive versus 7000 serie but I think making those CPU even more efficient is a gift for future AM5 series, they will need to make them more affordable tho

 

[Daven]

How about no? That nearly three-decades-old mentality of chasing higher clocks is long obsolete. All it nets today are diminishing performance increases at best, at the cost of exponentially worse thermals and efficiency. It’s downright counterproductive today, especially since modern CPUs don’t even turbo up to their maximum clocks for more than a fleeting moment, just to back down due to thermals.

The future might be an ASIC for every task or cloud computing accessed from a low-end device.

 

[Ruru]

it’s a disappointing generation from both Intel and amd
Both should look in to making a core that targets high clocks

You serious? We already saw what happened with Intel having those 6+ GHz boost clocks.

 

[Makaveli]

not surprised demand is super high for this cpu. I waited months until I could finally get one last week.

I'll go further and say that, unless you spend a lot to get the best, there's no reason to even upgrade from AM4 to AM5

If someone has a AM4 computer, they can just buy a 5700X/3D on AliExpress, the same way they would buy a 7400/7500F, and call it a day

Then consider AM5 if the next generation provides a noticeable uplift, if not, just wait to AM6

I'm on AM4 and going AM5 I want the 40% increase in single threaded performance from Zen 3 to 5. I agree upgrading from Zen 4 may not be worth it but I disagree going from 3 to 5.

 

[Chrispy_]

Aside from price, you can do that yourself by setting up manual TDP in the BIOS on any X variant

9900X running at 88W PPT (effectively 65W TDP) is hella slow at around 3.3GHz for 24-thread loads, which goes up to around 4GHz at a 142W PPT (effectively the old 105W TDP).

My experience with 9000-series is that they do actually need power for multithreaded loads.

 

[phanbuey]

I don't understand why they even released zen 5 without 3dcache.

 

[Makaveli]

I don't understand why they even released zen 5 without 3dcache.

Because not everyone is a gamer.

Alot of these tech forums will have you believe gamers are 99% of the market which is not even remotely true.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I mean, what did they expect? You release an X3D for monster gaming performance, no one is going to buy the non X3D when it's clearly inferior. X CPU's are now workstations and X3D is gaming/content creation.

 

[Punkenjoy]

The main thing AMD need to do for Zen 6 is to launch the X3D parts with the initial lineup. its a better way to control the message than having Zen 6 Non-X3D getting beat by Zen5 X3D.

Also they would probably upgrade the I/O die but it make me laught when people say its crappy. Maybe, but they are still the best processors around. So i guess it's good enough.

 

[Makaveli]

its a better way to control the message than having Zen 6 Non-X3D getting beat by Zen5 X3D.

Don't think this will change.

It has been this way since Gen 1 X3D where the 5800X3D beats vanilla Zen 4 when the extra cache can be used.

Having quick access to data and not having to hit main memory trumps arch changes.

 

[phanbuey]

Because not everyone is a gamer.

Alot of these tech forums will have you believe gamers are 99% of the market which is not even remotely true.

The sales speak for themselves. These other chips are not selling, the x3d one is sold out -- this applies pretty much globally, and was the same story with zen4.

Especially now, when you lose nothing from going x3d since the clocks are higher.

 

[Scattergrunt]

Most of the 9000-series is just more expensive higher-power-limit 7000-series, so there's really no reason for anyone to pony up for the former if buying AM5 for the first time. Plus a lot of people jumped on the AM5 train when it arrived and are perfectly happy with their 7000-series CPUs, so no reason for them to "upgrade" to 9000-series.

Oh yeah, seconded for sure. 9000 series seems pretty similar to the Intel ultra 200 series where they went for efficiency more than they did pure performance. I think even if many people skip it, this is good in the long run for both companies. Just hope we don't get any massive wattage monsters like the 13900k / 14900k

Things will improve for 9000-series overall once 7000-series stock dries up.

For sure! Even then, the next series after 9000 will probably be the performance jump from 7000 people were looking for.

it’s a disappointing generation from both Intel and amd
Both should look in to making a core that targets high clocks

I heavily disagree. Its initially disappointing sure but its definitely something which is for the best. We don't need to chase higher power targets 24/7 and completely forget about the time CPU's used to be very efficient. The latest Intel generation is finally a refresher from the high wattage monsters they were releasing before, and reminds of a time back before the 9900k. It's very refreshing, and the future generation of CPUs will benefit greatly from this (assuming that they hopefully don't go back to chasing higher power targets for middling performance gains)

 

[phints]

The 9700X at $300 and 9900X at $400 are a much better value than 9800X3D at $480. Yea the X3D is 10-15% ahead in gaming, but not in anything else.

Maybe for Zen 6 AMD will build more L3$ into their base CPUs so X3D is less of a jump in gaming. Also the 7800X3D blows away the 9800X3D in perf/watt so there is room for improvement there too.

 

[GenericUsername2001]

Its important to remember that these sales figures are from a DIY focused retailer, and is comparing CPU being purchased by themselves. The x3D chips are obviously extremely popular in the DIY market for gaming computers, but there is more to the market than that. Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all still sell lots of desktop computers, and well they are not going to be using the x3d chips outside of their own high end pre-built gaming machines. Since AMD is making a bunch of those vanilla Zen 5 Ryzens to satisfy those large OEM customers it cost AMD basically nothing to also offer those chips on the DIY market.

 

[windwhirl]

The only one with the actual sales figures is AMD. Mindfactory sells to a certain market in Europe. Numbers are skewed as is.

Missing in this article are sales figures for the whole of Europe, North America, Central and South America, Africa, Asia, Oceania

And of all those missing regions, it still needs to account for both OEM and Retail in general per region.

If AMD is still making non X3D and non X processors, then it must be because there's still sufficient demand to justify it.

You can look at the product stacks since 5000 series to notice the diminishing amount of 4-core SKUs, for example. There's just no demand to justify more than one or two 4-core SKUs per generation, compared to the at least half a dozen 6 core SKUs, at least half a dozen 8-core SKUs, etc.

 

[Makaveli]

The sales speak for themselves. These other chips are not selling, the x3d one is sold out -- this applies pretty much globally, and was the same story with zen4.

Especially now, when you lose nothing from going x3d since the clocks are higher.

Sales from one retailer in Germany does not equal globally.

I'm not disputing the demand but not trying to look at this from a narrow lenses that alot of gamers do. If it was sales numbers from a Major Global OEM like Lenovo or HP or Dell would be a different story.

nothing to lose?

v cache also goes into EPYC processors which has a way high profit margin for AMD and more of a priority than gamers. I don't see them taking away from that to sell all X3D chips to consumers.

They only have so much capacity at TSMC when Apple, NV, Intel are all using this foundry.

 

[Redwoodz]

Who writes this stuff? It took me 10 seconds to see the error in this arguement. They are comparing AM5 total numbers, and then using Zen5 numbers. duh. The reason Zen5 non-X3D numbers are low right now is because there is Zen4 still in the channel at attractive prices.

 

[friocasa]

not surprised demand is super high for this cpu. I waited months until I could finally get one last week.



I'm on AM4 and going AM5 I want the 40% increase in single threaded performance from Zen 3 to 5. I agree upgrading from Zen 4 may not be worth it but I disagree going from 3 to 5.

If you need that extra single core performance right now, for let's say physics simulation on blender, sure, you'll get an extra 38% on ST

For gamers, they must go to something like the 9800X3D, and that's what the people is doing, bc a 5700/5800X3D performs almost like the 9600X in the whole new platform, which is kinda funny

 

[kane nas]

The real trouble is INTEL's sales...