Reports of Bricked NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 and RTX 5090D Surge

[Vayra86]

I guess if you compared cores from different generations sure, but if we compared the 5080 to 5090, 4080 to 4090 and the sli performance 680 to 690 the performance was almost linear. Also while you state the core density on the 5090 is 33% higher the bandwidth is unnecessary doubled which is also not stopping people from further oc the over killed vram.
I would request vram speed scaling but it seems Nvidia gave everyone 5 minutes to test the cards so there goes that. I would test it myself but it's a vapor launch rumored to be available in September.
The sli performance in the past scaled perfectly and now a chip with double the cores scales at best to 50%.
Besides the scaling what I realized Nvidia paper launched this by purpose with all the effort that went in to the Blackwell gaming cards launch. Nvidia wanted its competition to perceive that they are still focused on gaming.
Circling back with the cherry on top the proof is in the article that they aren't focused on the gaming cards with no supply and drivers that allegedly brick cards. Is it cognitive or hyper cognitive enough for you?
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Euh... I think there's a language thing going on, but scaling in terms of SLI or in terms of GPU size is the same thing; it is how much return you see on the hardware investment: does the additional amount of shaders you have now (also goes for SLI, doubled shader count) scale linearly, or better, or worse than that? Usually the shader count scaling in single GPU setups is very linear and only limited by lack of resources elsewhere. In SLI setups, there are far more limiting factors and your chart shows that.

You say again: "The sli performance in the past scaled perfectly and now a chip with double the cores scales at best to 50%."
Buddy what?! That's exactly not what we're seeing and what I've said above and exactly NOT what your charts have shown. The core increase from 4090 to 5090 creates an almost linear scaling; its about 30% more cores and you get even more performance in return, in part due to better clocking and faster vram.

SLI performance in the past NEVER scaled perfectly. Even the best SLI performance games are not achieving linear scaling. Which is obvious, because there's more communication between GPUs and they might have to wait for each other. This costs performance. You gave the example of 680 to 690, there is almost no game that gives you +100% perf with the second GPU.

So circling back to the article... sure, we don't disagree on the low- effort gen Blackwell seems to be. But even so, what's there scales fine.

 

[Godrilla]

Euh... I think there's a language thing going on, but scaling in terms of SLI or in terms of GPU size is the same thing; it is how much return you see on the hardware investment: does the additional amount of shaders you have now (also goes for SLI, doubled shader count) scale linearly, or better, or worse than that? Usually the shader count scaling in single GPU setups is very linear and only limited by lack of resources elsewhere. In SLI setups, there are far more limiting factors and your chart shows that.

You say again: "The sli performance in the past scaled perfectly and now a chip with double the cores scales at best to 50%."
Buddy what?! That's exactly not what we're seeing and what I've said above and exactly NOT what your charts have shown. The core increase from 4090 to 5090 creates an almost linear scaling; its about 30% more cores and you get even more performance in return, in part due to better clocking and faster vram.

SLI performance in the past NEVER scaled perfectly. Even the best SLI performance games are not achieving linear scaling. Which is obvious, because there's more communication between GPUs and they might have to wait for each other. This costs performance. You gave the example of 680 to 690, there is almost no game that gives you +100% perf with the second GPU.

5080 vs 5090 has double the cores, 4080 vs 4090 has 67% more cores. Hence why I said let focus on same generation. The scaling is not linear. The 690 vs 680 same generation had almost 100% scaling. Questions?
Update my Organically modified Lovazzza coffee gives me super powers.

 

[Vayra86]

5080 vs 5090 has double the cores, 4080 vs 4090 has 67% more cores. Hence why I said let focus on same generation. The scaling is not linear. The 690 vs 680 same generation had almost 100% scaling. Questions?

Ahhhh core scaling. Not performance. Gotcha. But how relevant is that? If you get 100% more cores and in the better half of all games you only see 150% performance... that's pretty shit, and that's what SLI was doing for us.

Also you have to keep in mind that when it comes to scaling on a 5090, we're likely not seeing the full performance of the GPU yet, especially if you're looking at an aggregated bench with lots of games limiting this GPU, while barely limiting a 5080.

5080 vs 5090 has double the cores, 4080 vs 4090 has 67% more cores. Hence why I said let focus on same generation. The scaling is not linear. The 690 vs 680 same generation had almost 100% scaling. Questions?
Update my Organically modified Lovazzza coffee gives me super powers.

Enjoy the coffee. Its beer time over here

 

[Degreco]

Nvidia is silent because it's not a problem. Paper launch to the rescue: Only a handful of private customers own the thing as we speak.

They shipped most of their 5090s to creators, reviewers and scalpers. So Nvidia can fix this issue silently and comfortably in the next weeks. Reputation saved.
Until then the 5090/D is simply not available.

 

[Godrilla]

Nvidia is silent because it's not a problem. Paper launch to the rescue: Only a handful of private customers own the thing as we speak.

They shipped most of their 5090s to creators, reviewers and scalpers. So Nvidia can fix this issue silently and comfortably in the next weeks. Reputation saved.
Until then the 5090/D is simply not available.

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AMD was like we aren't competing in the high-end . Nvidia is like what that means they are all in in ai. Let's make a smoke screen to the public that we are still competing in the top end.

 

[brutalame]

Look like the problem come from the lastest drivers : https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...3/556589/driver-57216-causing-massive-issues/

 

[Scattergrunt]

I'm super late to this crapshoot of a thread but yea, honestly, I had suspected the RTX 5090 (and especially the 5080) were rushed launches and this kinda further adds to that idea. Though honestly, I'm sure NVIDIA will fix it. Doesn't make it excusable, but its kind of lucky that we had a paper launch in the first place. I can imagine a world where the RTX 5000 series didn't start out as a paper launch and alot more people had these brick.. Oh boy, that would be a story.

 

[Random_User]

Spoiler: Some thoughts...

P.S.: Also, the RTX 5000 PCB design is seems like the lazy-ass engineering, because it looks very similar to the enterprize GPUs of SXM socket.
The only amazing thing is indeed the cooler. The engineers did amazing job.

Don't get me wrong. But what is the chance, of these GPUs did not come from the data-centers/servers, which been pulled out, due to heat issues earlier?/SPOILER]

 

[robiatti]

I am curious as to whether there is a motherboard chipset commonality with the failures. Knock on wood I haven’t had any issues yet, other than the loud arse fans on the 90 FE.

 

[freeurmind]

The AI refuses to work unless it receives a raise. No rise in pay! No rise in framerates! Equal rights for AI!!

 

[Visible Noise]

Widespread reports! Bricked GPUs!!

A bunch of people are about to look rather, ummm, something that will get me a strike, while a few with functioning cognitive abilities called it:

Update Feb 4th (15:14 CET): Manli has acknowledged the reported issue, clarifying that it affects only a single graphics card. The company has shipped numerous units and, to date, has received just one report of this problem. According to Manli, the issue appears to be related to PCI Express configuration compatibility on certain motherboards.

 

[bullsandbears]

It's not a minor problem. With such limited stock, we're already seeing reports of dying GPUs popping up by the dozen on the internet(Reddit, forums). Imagine what would happen in a normal scenario.

Grab your torches and rakes and head for Jensen's house!

It's fine to rant and complain in forums. It's not okay to suggest any form of violence.

 

[bullsandbears]

Thank you for having one of the only sane posts in this thread.

Agreed.

 

[bug]

Widespread reports! Bricked GPUs!!

A bunch of people are about to look rather, ummm, something that will get me a strike, while a few with functioning cognitive abilities called it:

Dude, if you don't have something inflammatory to say, don't say it.
People will report you

 

[GodMustBeAFK]

paper launch and it's a $2k silicon brick. To those who went through all the troubles just to get their hands on a card that gives ~10% improvements over the 4090; congratulations, you've played yourself. The scalpers who bought a pallet worth of it; congratulations, you've bought a pile of bricks that no one will be buying.

Lmao, what? The bitterness is strong. 10 percent or less? The generational uplift between the 4090 and 5090 isnt as great as last gen; sure. But what you're saying is just straight up false and clearly rooted in some kind of spite and jealousy. The card is 35% faster in most cases. And playing cyberpunk 2077 in 4k with psycho settings with 200+ fps is what I'm experiencing right now, on a 270hz monitor, its absolutely mindblowing. Smooth as butter. That's before i try indiana jones or hogwarts. My card is also updated to the latest driver and is running like a dream and the beast it is. Prebuilt pc is worth every penny i paid.

"Widespread" "bricked" same exact thing happened when the 4090 launched with the melting. Everybody freaking out over some spiteful folk doing their best to scaremonger and perpetuate an idea that, in reality, only really happened to something like <0.01 percent of card owners. This happens with every big new tech release. Bunch of biased opinions and people that thoroughly enjoy creating and baking in this kind of drama. Usually, as i mentioned before, due to envy or bias. My card is updated to the latest driver as of 5 days ago i believe, perhaps 6. It's been running like a dream every since i got the pc. Its an absolute beast, and running cyberpunk 2077 in 4k with 200+fps with psycho settings and a 270hz monitor is genuinely quite something to behold. Smooth as silk. To anybody else out there with a 5090, i hope you're enjoying it as much as i am. Stay away from the Internet for a while, because this is the kind of negativity you can expect to see for a while. If your card is updated to latest driver and its functioning, you're one of the (not so lucky) massive majority that are experiencing absolutely no issues whatsoever. Now go and throw whatever the most intensive game you have at that gpu and watch it make mincemeat of it! I know i will. Enjoy yourselves.

 

[Cybrshrk]

paper launch and it's a $2k silicon brick. To those who went through all the troubles just to get their hands on a card that gives ~10% improvements over the 4090; congratulations, you've played yourself. The scalpers who bought a pallet worth of it; congratulations, you've bought a pile of bricks that no one will be buying.

Whatever you got to tell yourself my guy...I get it.

But I sold my 4090 for $2100 and got my 5090 FE for the exact same price...so free upgrade.

And it's been fully updated with latest drivers and its on PCI 5.0 (ASRock x870e NOVA + 9800X3D) and it's working just fine.

These type of issues are always overblown by people I think are mainly just coping with missing out.

Assuming it is 'just' PCIe 5.0 issues, and not component failures on the GPUs...
My question is then, if it is an issue with PCIe 5.0 on specific motherboards.

Other than PCIe 5.0 NVMEs, to the best of my knowledge, there have been no consumer PCIe 5.0 devices released, with which the motherboards could be tested.
I find it conceivable, that some motherboard designs tried to cut costs too hard, and have compromised PCIe 5.0 connectivity.
Since these are the first 5.0 GPUs using the 16x slot, perhaps a preexisting issue is just now coming to light?

No issues here with 5090 FE on ASRock x870e NOVA + 9800X3D using PCI 5.0 and fully updated drivers.

I am curious as to whether there is a motherboard chipset commonality with the failures. Knock on wood I haven’t had any issues yet, other than the loud arse fans on the 90 FE.

What about coil whine??

 

[GodMustBeAFK]

Whatever you got to tell yourself my guy...I get it.

But I sold my 4090 for $2100 and got my 5090 FE for the exact same price...so free upgrade.

And it's been fully updated with latest drivers and its on PCI 5.0 (ASRock x870e NOVA + 9800X3D) and it's working just fine.

These type of issues are always overblown by people I think are mainly just coping with missing out.


No issues here with 5090 FE on ASRock x870e NOVA + 9800X3D using PCI 5.0 and fully updated drivers.


What about coil whine??

"Coping with missing out" 1000 percent this. 10 percent or less faster than the 4090 is crazy to claim. Comes from spite for sure. Or envy. Unless he was getting confused between the 4080 to 5080 uplift, because in that case, unfortunately, it's a little closer to the truth. But nah, the 5090 is a beast. What games you got going so far? Cyberpunk with all the pathtracing and raytracing along with psycho settings @4k is no joke. 270hz monitor and you can feel all 240 of the fps. It's genuinely jaw dropping. Can't wait to try indiana jones out. And i can finally play Control with the settings cranked with a frame rate worthy of my monitor.

 

[Cybrshrk]

"Coping with missing out" 1000 percent this. 10 percent or less faster than the 4090 is crazy to claim. Comes from spite for sure. Or envy. Unless he was getting confused between the 4080 to 5080 uplift, because in that case, unfortunately, it's a little closer to the truth. But nah, the 5090 is a beast. What games you got going so far? Cyberpunk with all the pathtracing and raytracing along with psycho settings @4k is no joke. 270hz monitor and you can feel all 240 of the fps. It's genuinely jaw dropping. Can't wait to try indiana jones out. And i can finally play Control with the settings cranked with a frame rate worthy of my monitor.

I play on a 4K 144 HZ OLED and the very first thing I did was boot up cyberpunk with full maxed out path tracing!

It's really nice to be able to finally Max out my displays refresh rate and still maintain a very reasonable input latency.

It felt great!!

I was even playing on mouse and keyboard which I don't always do but response was instant from what I could feel.

Then I'll probably jump in and finish Indiana Jones now that I have the ability to Max it out was playing it back in December on a 4080 super and the experience wasn't ideal so held off after 2nd stage.

 

[Shakallia]

Overpriced and badly engineered. Way to go Nvidia, way to go.

 

[529th]

Good luck with Indiana Jones.. game recently crashed and got the black screen issue. Full reinstall didn't fix it so it must be in some of the saved files.. AMD GPU though 24GB

 

[Steve3p0]

If you're spending $2000 on a video card you've got more money then cents.

 

[bug]

If you're spending $2000 on a video card you've got more money then cents.

I mean, it can make sense if you're doing AI, compute or otherwise make a living from it. $2k just for gaming... that's a little out there. Though again, some are make a living from gaming.

 

[Prima.Vera]

5080 vs 5090 has double the cores, 4080 vs 4090 has 67% more cores. Hence why I said let focus on same generation. The scaling is not linear. The 690 vs 680 same generation had almost 100% scaling. Questions?
Update my Organically modified Lovazzza coffee gives me super powers.

The GTX 690 had actually 2xGPUs in onboard SLI, so this is not a fair comparison.

 

[Bomby569]

how does drivers brick a card, they have efuses or something?

 

[bug]

how does drivers brick a card, they have efuses or something?

The only way I can think of, they set some voltage too high and burn/melt something. But we don't know what's really going on. See some posts above, this may be fixed by something as simple as petting the PCIe to 4.0 (of course, that's unconfirmed, too).

What we have so far is a handful of reports, no numbers mentioned and a lot pf people feasting on the bad news.