AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D & 9900X3D Speculative Pricing Appears Online, $699 & $599 Respectively

freeagent · 2025-02-10T22:32:05+0000

From what I have seen, R9 gets the best cores out of the Ryzen lot..

Chrispy_ · 2025-02-10T22:33:23+0000

Zach_01 said:
AMD found a way to make money out of the most silicon possible and feed all sections of the market with 1 CCD design.

Which is why were going to be getting 12-core CCDs next generation. Not because desktops need more cores, but because AMD need to stay ahead of ARM core counts in the datacenter

freeagent said:
From what I have seen, R9 gets the best cores out of the Ryzen lot..

...one of the best CCDs
In any dual-CCD Ryzens, there always seems to be a good, binned CCD and a lesser, runt CCD that would be underwhelming even as a lower-end Ryzen5 or Ryzen7.

It makes sense though; By the time you've run out of preferred cores on the binned CCD, the overall package needs to be throttled back to sensible clocks and voltages anyway to keep it within the PPT, EDC, and thermal limits. Nobody wants their AM5 socket to turn into molten slag

freeagent · 2025-02-10T22:52:33+0000

Chrispy_ said:
runt CCD that would be underwhelming even as a lower-end Ryzen5 or Ryzen7.

My runt CCD is still better than a 5600X, just under a 5800X maybe.. No 5GHz action on CCD2 for me.

So many choices.. my puny brain is being overloaded

Guwapo77 · 2025-02-10T23:35:08+0000

oxrufiioxo said:
Its not amd already has announced its sticking to the single ccd cache BS and hoping the chipset driver/windows does the heavy lifting on scheduling.

I also thought they didn't figure out the latency issue from jumping between both CCDs (at least for gaming).

NGL, I like this price. I picked up my 5950X in Germany during Covid and that bastard was $1100. So yeah, $699 makes my soul happy.

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-10T23:42:31+0000

Guwapo77 said:
I also thought they didn't figure out the latency issue from jumping between both CCDs (at least for gaming).

NGL, I like this price. I picked up my 5950X in Germany during Covid and that bastard was $1100. So yeah, $699 makes my soul happy.

I have a 7950X3D and love it actually like it significantly better than I do the 7800X3D but it isn't a plug and play cpu like the 7800X3D or even the 5950X you have to babysit windows and make sure it's behaving not a huge deal to me but it would be nice if it just worked properly with scheduling out of the box.

Zach_01 · 2025-02-10T23:44:16+0000

Chrispy_ said:
Which is why were going to be getting 12-core CCDs next generation. Not because desktops need more cores, but because AMD need to stay ahead of ARM core counts in the datacenter

100%, if we do get 12core CCD and 24core 9950X replacement at some point it will be because AMD would want to offer that to the pros.
We like or not as end consumers that is the business today. We are seeing it on GPUs too.

Thinking of pulling the trigger to AM5 later this year (maybe Q2) to something like a 9700X, keep it until 2027-28 and then go for a 12core that hopefully it will be out by then and keep it another 2-3years.
~6years with 2 CPUs per platform looks fine to my book.

Guwapo77 said:
I also thought they didn't figure out the latency issue from jumping between both CCDs (at least for gaming).

Most likely but lets think also about how much beneficial would be a second X3D CCD even if there was a significant cross talk improvement.

oxrufiioxo said:
I have a 7950X3D and love it actually like it significantly better than I do the 7800X3D but it isn't a plug and play cpu like the 7800X3D or even the 5950X you have to babysit windows and make sure it's behaving not a huge deal to me but it would be nice if it just worked properly with scheduling out of the box.

Still using third party software for scheduling?

Guwapo77 · 2025-02-10T23:48:34+0000

Zach_01 said:
100%, if we do get 12core CCD and 24core 9950X replacement at some point it will be because AMD would want to offer that to the pros.
We like or not as end consumers that is the business today. We are seeing it on GPUs too.

Thinking of pulling the trigger to AM5 later this year (maybe Q2) to something like a 9700X, keep it until 2027-28 and then go for a 12core that hopefully it will be out by then and keep it another 2-3years.
~6years with 2 CPUs per platform looks fine to my book.

Most likely but lets think also about how much beneficial would be a second X3D CCD even if there was a significant cross talk improvement.

Still using third party software for scheduling?

I know that would be glorious for productivity software, but for gaming, I need it to remain on the fastest CCD.

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-10T23:51:14+0000

Zach_01 said:
Still using third party software for scheduling?

I do, it's about 95% there if you clean install W11 24h2 and set the bios to prefer cache but using process lasso to keep windows and all programs on the non cache ccd and games on the cache ccd is always superior.

I actually tested both the 7800X3D and 7950X3D pretty extensively before deciding which one to keep and if it wasn't for process lasso I wouldn't have kept the 16 core.

Also for anyone who plays games with anti cheat software you better hope windows doesn't go rogue on you and bounce between CCDs causing you all kinds of issues its rare thankfully for my use case but a possibility.

Zach_01 · 2025-02-10T23:58:00+0000

Guwapo77 said:
I know that would be glorious for productivity software, but for gaming, I need it to remain on the fastest CCD.

I think the cross CCD latency will be also improved with a better I/O. +Higher MCLK/UCLK/FCLK speeds and so on....
I hope Zen6 on AM5 will get that (fingers crossed)

oxrufiioxo said:
I do, it's about 95% there if you clean install W11 24h2 and set the bios to prefer cache but using process lasso to keep windows and all programs on the non cache ccd and games on the cache ccd is always superior.

I actually tested both the 7800X3D and 7950X3D pretty extensively before deciding which one to keep and if it wasn't for process lasso I wouldn't have kept the 16 core.

Also for anyone who plays games with anti cheat software you better hope windows doesn't go rouge on you and bounce between CCDs causing you all kinds of issues its rare thankfully for my use case but a possibility.

I see...

I saw a Jayz2cent video a few months ago that core parking was solved but the showcase was with just 1 game, Borderlands3 if I'm not mistaken.

freeagent · 2025-02-11T00:10:10+0000

Even in TPU reviews the 7950X3D was a forking beast. It is the most expensive AM5 part that I see right now.

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-11T00:24:42+0000

Zach_01 said:
I see...

I saw a Jayz2cent video a few months ago that core parking was solved but the showcase was with just 1 game, Borderlands3 if I'm not mistaken.

Its not so much core parking it's Windows scheduling a game on the wrong CCD which is rare but happens. Some games also want to spill beyond 8 cores and Windows doesn't always do a good job of keeping them on the X3D CCD. It's at most 1 in every 10 games but it happens and isn't Always pleasant. It would be less noticeable at 4k.

Makaveli · 2025-02-11T01:45:32+0000

I would actually wait for these to hit the streets I don't believe you will be seeing pricing at MSRP once retailer markups and scalpers get involved.

freeagent · 2025-02-11T01:53:14+0000

Makaveli said:
I would actually wait for these to hit the streets I don't believe you will be seeing pricing at MSRP once retailer markups and scalpers get involved.

Maybe, but a bunch of people blew their wad on a 9800X3D, moar for us

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-11T02:02:30+0000

freeagent said:
Maybe, but a bunch of people blew their wad on a 9800X3D, moar for us

The 9950X3D will still be hard to get and likely sell above MSRP with the 9800X3D so hard to get and most likely people avoiding the 9900X3D... Might be amds plan for people to say F it and get the less desirable model.

Makaveli · 2025-02-11T02:05:10+0000

freeagent said:
Maybe, but a bunch of people blew their wad on a 9800X3D, moar for us

no doubt i'm one of those people!

freeagent · 2025-02-11T02:18:50+0000

9800X3D has been readily available to me for a few weeks now, I have had it in my cart like 50 times lol.. 689 plus tax..

Edit:

I don't want AM5 to be like how it was with AM4 for me.. where I buy almost all the good CPUs lol..

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-11T02:28:49+0000

freeagent said:
9800X3D has been readily available to me for a few weeks now, I have had it in my cart like 50 times lol.. 689 plus tax..

Edit:

I don't want AM5 to be like how it was with AM4 for me.. where I buy almost all the good CPUs lol..

I guess all 5 AMD fans up there in Canadia got them already....

freeagent · 2025-02-11T02:30:24+0000

oxrufiioxo said:
I guess all 5 AMD fans up there in Canadia got them already....

Our polar pesos do not go far these days, I am in a fortunate position where I can :oops:

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-11T02:32:19+0000

freeagent said:
Our polar pesos do not go far these days, I am in a fortunate position where I can

A lot of your country is pretty gorgeous so I guess that is a fair trade off.

freeagent · 2025-02-11T02:34:37+0000

oxrufiioxo said:
A lot of your country is pretty gorgeous so I guess that is a fair trade off.

I think America is beautiful too, wish I could visit, but this guy was naughty in his younger years. I have been down there a few times though.. went to mall of america when it was new lol.. tasted the worst iced tea of my life. Should have asked for Nestea or sweet tea.. Americans :rolleyes:

Just kidding, I love you guys :rockout:

Melvis · 2025-02-11T03:20:30+0000

Mean while here in Australia....

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Zach_01 · 2025-02-11T04:48:56+0000

Here price started a while ago to drop to sensible levels after the first craziness.
$480 MSRP + local VAT is around 570~580€ depending on USD/EURO relation.

Availability (Store count) help a lot...

Broken Processor · 2025-02-11T08:19:02+0000

Redwoodz said:
Why? Because Intel wasn't selling 4 cores for $400 at the same time?

This.

oxrufiioxo said:
He's talking about the platform which offered substantially better connectivity is my guess even X299 had 60+ pcie lanes which is still substantially better than modern chipsets that cap out in the mid 40s with about half that being available to the end user.

Chrispy_ · 2025-02-11T10:59:54+0000

oxrufiioxo said:
Its not so much core parking it's Windows scheduling a game on the wrong CCD which is rare but happens. Some games also want to spill beyond 8 cores and Windows doesn't always do a good job of keeping them on the X3D CCD. It's at most 1 in every 10 games but it happens and isn't Always pleasant. It would be less noticeable at 4k.

I think I've inadvertently installed W11 on a 5900X at home and forgotten to re-select XBOX Game Bar during my custom autounattend.xml install to decrapify and debloat Windows.

Is that what I need to deal with gaming on a W11 with a dual-CCD?

oxrufiioxo · 2025-02-11T15:24:04+0000

Chrispy_ said:
I think I've inadvertently installed W11 on a 5900X at home and forgotten to re-select XBOX Game Bar during my custom autounattend.xml install to decrapify and debloat Windows.

Is that what I need to deal with gaming on a W11 with a dual-CCD?

I never had any issues with 5000 dual ccd chips or 3000 for that matter. I've always disabled game bar up untill ryzen 7000X3D.

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