AMD Plans Aggressive Price Competition with Radeon RX 9000 Series

[Assimilator]

There have been experiments with it before and they work great.

Yeah, no.

 

[Sound_Card]

Apparently your definition of "half" is different to everyone else's. Must be due to all the copium you're huffing; you should really come back to the real world before that kills you.

I hate to say it but Wizzard is just off with this chart.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=5080+vs+7900xtx

Everyone, including Gamer Nexus and HUB have the 7900xtx winning half the time in raster, and that is actually being a little modest.

 

[Assimilator]

I hate to say it but Wizzard is just off with this chart.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=5080+vs+7900xtx

Everyone, including Gamer Nexus and HUB have the 7900xtx winning half the time in raster, and that is actually being a little modest.

Claims "everyone", can't show even a single example. Keep on huffing!

 

[Sound_Card]

Claims "everyone", can't show even a single example. Keep on huffing!

Here, I'll do it for you.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition Review & Benchmarks vs 5090, 7900 XTX, 4080, & More | GamersNexus

GPUs NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition Review & Benchmarks vs 5090, 7900 XTX, 4080, & More January 31, 2025 Last Updated: 2025-01-31 We test the RTX 5080’s thermals, frequency, gaming benchmarks, ray tracing, power efficiency, and more The Highlights The RTX 5080’s performance is within...

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and you can easily click on any of those videos I linked.

 

[Visible Noise]

9070/9070XT is on track to be faster than the competition in everything, including RT

Sure it is. All aboard the fantasy hype train. Whoo Whoo!!

 

[tfdsaf]

well said, honestly if I were buying a new card and my main options were 5070 ti and the new amd card, and they are within 150 bucks of each other, as much as I love AMD, multi-frame gen is just too damn good to pass up... so yeah.

This is sarcasm right? I mean it has to be, otherwise you might as well be an Nvidia bot that posts the same BS on every tech forums as propaganda.

 

[Tek-Check]

$499 for 9070 is under the psychological $500 window which is good, but I really don't feel like ~10% less than 5070 is going to be enough of a discount to tempt buyers, unless the former's performance is ferocious. edit I'd much prefer to see 9070 come in at $449 i.e. a full hundred bucks below 5070, a difference that would itself be a significant psychological threshold.

This is offest by 16GB of VRAM. We all know that 8GB of VRAM on 3070 has got major problem in growing number of titles. The same will happen with 12GB as time goes by.Giving 16GB of VRAM to 9070 safeguards it better. If AMD manages to deliver the whole package of features well, $499/$479 will be fine.

Sure it is. All aboard the fantasy hype train. Whoo Whoo!!

This slide was prepared before the world saw 5000 series performance.

The street prices of the new Nvidia gpu's are much greater then the MSRP. I expect 5070 Ti not less then 950-1000 euro street price. And AMD 9070 XT around 700-750 euro. That's a big difference. If i look at the prices of the 4070 and 4070 super that sold always above 650 euro. So the new one 5070 with a MSRP of 550 i am not expecting a price under 700 euro, and the AMD model around 600 euro. This is realistic.

Indeed. MSI wants above £1,200 for 5070Ti. Absolutely crazy. It costs like unfortunate MSRP fo 4080 and it will not be faster than 4080.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti AIB Card Listed Online for $1,212

The NVIDIA RTX 5070 Ti gaming GPU is expected to be available starting February 20, although whether gamers are going to be able to purchase one anytime soon is a different story entirely. That said, a recent listing on an Austrian retailer's website has revealed the pricing details for the MSI...

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If they have a negligible performance advantage over Nvidia at 10% lower prices,

Do you really know what "10% lower" means?
MSI offers 5070Ti for $1,200, as posted above. Where is the reference point for "10% lower"?
We all know that MSRP number is completly meaningless thesed days.

If they're not 20% cheaper than their nvidia counterparts then it will be a disaster for AMD.

Which counterparts? MSI offers 5070Ti for whopping $1,200!
Even if a corresponding premium model of 9070XT by Sapphire is $900, this makes 33% more expensive.
Still not good enough?

 

[Visible Noise]

This slide was prepared before the world saw 5000 series performance.

Yes, which is why the 5000 series isn’t on it except for a vague outline. Maybe you missed the 4000 series on the left side?

You know what else is on it? The 7000 series. You can pretend the Nvidia cards aren’t even on it and still know how the 9070 and 9060 cards are going to perform. You can even crop out the left half of the slide and it says the same thing.

But Choo Choo, every fcking AMD release is the same. Massive hype, outrageously elevated expectations, and then disappointment and anger upon release.

 

[AusWolf]

But Choo Choo, every fcking AMD release is the same. Massive hype, outrageously elevated expectations, and then disappointment and anger upon release.

And Nvidia, and Intel, for that matter. There's no point in talking about releases and launch presentations anymore these days.

 

[Visible Noise]

We all know that 8GB of VRAM on 3070 has got major problem in growing number of titles. The same will happen with 12GB as time goes by.Giving 16GB of VRAM to 9070 safeguards it better.

We all know 16GB of VRAM will be a major problem when the next consoles release. Only nvidia is providing a future proof 24 or more GB of RAM.

Besides, AMD runs out of features before they run out of RAM. I.e., the 5000 series cards can’t run today’s releases While the Nvidia 2000 series can.

 

[Tek-Check]

Still convinced the 9070xt will be slower than the 7900xt, which you can already get for 620. So at 599 it's not offering any new progress in the market.

Just like 5x series, nothing to be excited about and almost no price / performance generational improvement at all.

9070XT is not a successor of 7900XT.
9070XT succeeds 7800XT.
In leaked games, 9070XT is consistently faster than 7900XT.

 

[Jtuck9]

Indeed. MSI wants above £1,200 for 5070Ti. Absolutely crazy. It costs like unfortunate MSRP fo 4080 and it will not be faster than 4080.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti AIB Card Listed Online for $1,212

The NVIDIA RTX 5070 Ti gaming GPU is expected to be available starting February 20, although whether gamers are going to be able to purchase one anytime soon is a different story entirely. That said, a recent listing on an Austrian retailer's website has revealed the pricing details for the MSI...

www.techpowerup.com

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Is the price increase only at their respective stores? Maybe that's an incentive to push people towards retail partners? Unless competition doesn't actually equate to competition. We aren't in the business of charity after all!

 

[Tek-Check]

We all know 16GB of VRAM will be a major problem when the next consoles release. Only nvidia is providing a future proof 24 or more GB of RAM.

What kind of nonsense is this? 7900XTX offers 24GB of VRAM.
Besides, here we are talking about mid-range cards.

Is the price increase only from their respective stores? Maybe that's an incentive to push people towards retail partners? Unless competition doesn't actually equate to competition. We aren't in the business of charity after all!

So, if 9070XT Sapphire Nitro+ costs $900, this makes the above mentioned MSI's card 33% more expensive.

 

[AusWolf]

9070XT is not a successor of 7900XT.
9070XT succeeds 7800XT.
In leaked games, 9070XT is consistently faster than 7900XT.

At $599, it's not a successor of anything - there was no MSRP near it in RDNA 3. In fact, the 7900 XT is a fair comparison considering current retail pricing.
The 9070 non-XT succeeds the 7800 XT. $499 against $499.

 

[Hecate91]

Only nvidia is providing a future proof 24 or more GB of RAM.

Which requires buying the xx90 flagship, you're bringing up the high end but the 9070XT is a midrange card.

5000 series cards can’t run today’s releases While the Nvidia 2000 series can.

The RTX 2000 series isn't going to be running new titles with RT on.

 

[Tek-Check]

People in here talking like nvidia MSRP matters at all. Good luck finding 5070 Ti at 749$, might as well look for 5080 for 999$, there are soooo many of them.
And that's coming from someone that bought 5080.

This.
MSI already offers 5070Ti for whopping $1,200

 

[Jtuck9]

What kind of nonsense is this? 7900XTX offers 24GB of VRAM.
Besides, here we are talking about mid-range cards.


So, if 9070XT Sapphire Nitro+ costs $900, this makes the above mentioned MSI's card 33% more expensive.

I'm just wondering how much more expensive depending on where you buy it.

Crucial were selling drives for at least over £100 more on their site than Ebuyer for example. Asus £50 / £60 more expensive on their site for a motherboard.

 

[Visible Noise]

What kind of nonsense is this? 7900XTX offers 24GB of VRAM.
Besides, here we are talking about mid-range cards.

The same nonsense you’re posting. Nice selective quoting though, hand waving away AMD’s feature deficiencies.

This.
MSI already offers 5070Ti for whopping $1,200

I guess we know which brand consumers think is more valuable then. I’m sure AMD wishes they were in a position to exercise pricing power rather than always having to be second fiddle and reacting to Nvidia pricing.

Maybe when their features and software exceed Nvidia they won’t be the poor man’s choice anymore.

 

[AusWolf]

The same nonsense you’re posting. Nice selective quoting though, hand waving away AMD’s feature deficiencies.

What feature deficiencies?

I guess we know which brand consumers think is more valuable then. I’m sure AMD wishes they were in a position to exercise pricing power rather than always having to be second fiddle and reacting to Nvidia pricing.

Maybe when their features and software exceed Nvidia they won’t be the poor man’s choice anymore.

So AMD pricing a card $150 below Nvidia is wrong because it should be even cheaper than that, but a random retailer asking $1200 for a 5070 Ti is fine because it's a valued product? Are you out of your mind?

 

[remekra]

I swear to God, papa Jensen and auntie Su are so proud of some of their customers.

 

[Quicks]

Meh, people are getting way too excited about AMD, the real enemy is Nvidia. Let's see what a shitshow the 20th is going to be and what shitshow AMD has instore for us in the 6th March. Both AMD and Nvidia is playing their customers, but Nvidia and it's partners is really taking the piss out of it these days.

 

[Jtuck9]

"We haven’t talked about this a lot, but you know, the journey that we’re on at this moment with RDNA 4 is kind of a new starting point for us, right? Building a reputation for Radeon, just like we had for Ryzen in the early years, where it’s focused on delivering better value for the end user, giving consumers more for their money than what the other guys are delivering, focusing on the features and capabilities that gamers care about most, and being sort of responsive and focused on delivering for the community of enthusiasts that’s out there, is really what we believe we have to build with Radeon."

It would certainly be interesting to see where these margins go and how much actual power they have to exercise...

"Anti-Fragility" comes to mind, ironically ("good enough" isn't good enough)

 

[Chomiq]

I hate to say it but Wizzard is just off with this chart.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=5080+vs+7900xtx

Everyone, including Gamer Nexus and HUB have the 7900xtx winning half the time in raster, and that is actually being a little modest.

Go through that video, count the number of times that 7900 XTX appeared above 5080 in a gaming benchmark (non RT) chart. If you don't want to do that I'll give you my count: 13 times 5080 was above 7900 XTX, with AMD offering winning 4 times. I guess that's "Half the time in raster" for you. And that's with Nitro+ from Sapphire, which isn't the same as MBA 7900 XTX.

Even "AMD schills" from Techspot have it below 5080:

 

[mb194dc]

9070XT is not a successor of 7900XT.
9070XT succeeds 7800XT.
In leaked games, 9070XT is consistently faster than 7900XT.

Only with RT most probably, which will be unplayable without upscaling anyway. Not long till reviews hopefully.

9070xt only has 64 CU and 256bit memory interface. Can't escape the hardware, just like 5080 flop.

Doesn't matter how AMD brand it, pretty certain it'll offer almost nothing over a $620 7900xt you can buy right now... Especially at 1440p and 4k or more.

 

[PaddieMayne]

Just managed to buy my wife a Sapphire pulse 7900xt for £600 brand new...so the 9070xt needs to offer better performance considering it has 4gb less vram aswell...