MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC

[Hecate91]

You sure about that?

Look here: https://www.microcenter.com/product...e-triple-fan-16gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

Remember that 'Micro Center' is a dead serious business. So, going in baiting many with the price it has got now and then just make the price higher (to like 900 dollars) a minute before they go for sale, is not a good look for 'Micro Center'.

So, what do you think?

But a majority of people don't live near a Microcenter, so the chances of getting a 5070Ti at MSRP is going to be low. Microcenter is known to sell things for a better deal than other retailers, it's a better business proposition that makes absolutely no sense why other retailers aren't following it. Don't rip off customers with inflated prices and they'll actually buy something, also while shopping around other things on a good deal might end up in the cart.
However IMO, even at MSRP the 5070Ti is priced too high, the 5070Ti should've been the 5070 at $549 because the 5070Ti being 12% faster on average than the 4070Ti Super just isn't progress at all. I remember when the xx70Ti mid range beat the previous xx80 high end card.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

But a majority of people don't live near a Microcenter, so the chances of getting a 5070Ti at MSRP is going to be low. Microcenter is known to sell things for a better deal than other retailers, it's a better business proposition that makes absolutely no sense why other retailers aren't following it. Don't rip off customers with inflated prices and they'll actually buy something, also while shopping around other things on a good deal might end up in the cart.
However IMO, even at MSRP the 5070Ti is priced too high, the 5070Ti should've been the 5070 at $549 because the 5070Ti being 12% faster on average than the 407Ti Super just isn't progress at all. I remember when the xx70Ti mid range beat the previous xx80 high end card.

The point is not where people live, but what the actual MSRP price on the 5070 Ti is. Sure, other shops can price them higher, but they are going to lose out badly on sales then.

And doesn't 'Micro Center' send products ordered on their webpage all over the US?

 

[JustBenching]

But a majority of people don't live near a Microcenter, so the chances of getting a 5070Ti at MSRP is going to be low. Microcenter is known to sell things for a better deal than other retailers, it's a better business proposition that makes absolutely no sense why other retailers aren't following it. Don't rip off customers with inflated prices and they'll actually buy something, also while shopping around other things on a good deal might end up in the cart.
However IMO, even at MSRP the 5070Ti is priced too high, the 5070Ti should've been the 5070 at $549 because the 5070Ti being 12% faster on average than the 4070Ti Super just isn't progress at all. I remember when the xx70Ti mid range beat the previous xx80 high end card.

The 5070ti should have been the 5070 and @ 549$? Let me bookmark this for future reference.

 

[LabRat 891]

My personal take, NVidia screwed up. The 5080 should have been the 5070ti(@$750) and the 5070ti should have been the 5070(@$550). The gap between the 5090 and the 5080 is redonkulas.

Not wrong, but not a screw-up, IMO.

My take: they've Nintendo'd. -Specifically leave out features, etc. to make room in the product stack for later 'proper' products. (Re-purchases from fans, new purchases from those that were 'holding off')

Basically, it's to leave room for later Ti/SUPER SKUs.

 

[Hecate91]

The point is not where people live, but what the actual MSRP price on the 5070 Ti is. Sure, other shops can price them higher, but they are going to lose out badly on sales then.

And doesn't 'Micro Center' send products ordered on their webpage all over the US?

I'm saying the MSRP is just a fairy tale if most people can't actually buy one at the claimed price. And if other 50 series cards are anything to go by, people are buying them anyway. I have to wonder what it'll take for people to stop opening their wallets for cards selling 2-3X over MSRP, but it's nice to see some here finally realize they're being screwed by Nvidia.

A majority of items Microcenter sells are in store only, it's probably how they can sell these at MSRP and likely only have a limited amount to sell, or they're getting a special rebate from Nvidia and Asus to sell the Prime at MSRP.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I mean, I wish they could pull off another Maxwell, and if it was easy they probably would've done it. It's the same node, so how much can you expect?

While this is definitely true for the 5090 I doubt they could have done a ton better maybe another 10-15% which would have been nice but not game changing, everything below the 5090 could have been better the 5080 could have come with 24GB and a slightly larger die maybe 400mm2 and the same with the rest of the lineup. The reason we are getting these castrated barely better than the previous generation cards is Nvidia want's to continue with it's 70-80% margins and that has little to do with it being on the same node.

 

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Ventus 3x 4070Ti Super - 30db 300W
Ventus 3x 5070Ti - 40db 300W

The fans are 9 3x3 fins glued together, versus 10 5x2, glued together so they don't fall apart.

The heat pipes are 8mm x4 versus 6mm x6.

Obviously this ruins everything and 8mm heat pipes are not as efficient.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 5070ti should have been the 5070 and @ 549$? Let me bookmark this for future reference.

Honestly given current market conditions 699 wouldn't have been horrible but the problem is even it's 750 usd MSRP is a pipedream for most...


Here is the thing though it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks it should have cost or what it should have been named if it sells, and if it doesn't sell Nvidia will just make a better Super version for a similar price....

 

[razaron]

The Geforce FX 5000 series back in the early 2000s was poop too, it seems 5000 is cursed.

It came bundled with Morrowind though, so that's a win in my book

 

[chrcoluk]

This makes my 4080 Super purchase seem a bit dodgy with the much lower MSRP, its gains seem respectable over the last gen model. However no FE, so I probably wouldn't have been able to get at MSRP.

 

[Divide Overflow]

Exactly. EVERYTHING is more expensive. Some things, like food, are nearly twice the cost. Comparing to pre-pandemic pricing is unrealistic. So $750 is a reasonable amount accounting for inflation which no-one can avoid.

NO. A mid-range card was $350 - $400. Even adjusted for inflation that does not justify $950+ prices today. This isn't an inflation issue. This isn't a tariff issue. This isn't a global pandemic issue. It's pure greed.

 

[Dahita]

- We need to stop using Microcenter as a baseline for anything until they allow free shipping to all 50 states at the same price as their instore offer (looks like this 5070ti is in store only as far as I can tell).

Otherwise I might as well point to my cousin Billy Bob's Electronics and Crab Shack that has some rando door buster part for MSRP.

How is that relevant? their prices in store is the same as every online site. Who cares that you have to pay for shipping? it's for information only. Go buy what you can find on other sites.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

How is that relevant? their prices in store is the same as every online site. Who cares that you have to pay for shipping? it's for information only. Go buy what you can find on other sites.

- Its relevant because many of their best deals are in store only and their stores aren't everywhere like Best Buy, only ~20 locations in the entire US, whole pacific northwest, Midwest, and SF Bay Area (new Santa Clara store coming soon though!) don't have access to physical location.

Try getting one of their CPU Combo deals everyone likes to cite online. You can't, but people will act like that's how much these components normally cost which is misleading.

 

[N3utro]

So 15% less performance than 5080 for 25% less TDP, and MSRP 25% below 5080 as well.

Mathematically this is a better price/performance ratio, but for playing at 4K on an high refresh rate oled monitor the extra 15% you get from the 5080 is kind of a big deal and makes the 5070 ti a bit pointless imho

 

[alwayssts]

W1zard said:

VRAM
While the RTX 4070 Ti came with 12 GB VRAM, which ended up a bit limiting in some titles, the RTX 4070 Ti Super bumped that to 16 GB. The RTX 5070 Ti retains that 16 GB framebuffer size, and it makes a lot of sense in this segment. Increasing the memory size further would have required a wider memory bus and a GPU design with support for the extra bus width and more pins in the design, etc. All these changes would make the card more expensive, for relatively small gains. More memory does not automagically turn into additional performance. You will see scaling only in titles that go beyond 16 GB in this case—which is extremely rare, and usually a sign of developer fail. Video games are developed for consoles first these days, and their hardware sets the bounds for what we can expect from VRAM usage on PC, too.

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He actually said it. I'll give him that. Took a stand on that outdated hill. More memory does not magically equal a ton of performance, but it does translate into very important resolution/setting-defining perf (lows).
I mean, what he's saying is ridiculously wrong given everything is shifting to new standards and preparing for next-gen consoles/features, and PC gamers don't want their resolution to shrink to 1080p or less...
...but at least he said it (as I've long-suspected he's thought this was the case).

Dude, you might need to retire. Lots of games (no, not the ones you purposely pick for your suite) use greater than 16GB, especially at 4k. Some 1440p. And more will....will they be added/kept in the bench suite?

How about before nVIDIA launches more cards >16GB? Maybe 192-bit/18GB that would not increase the bus nor substantially increase the cost? Maybe sneak some in for the inevitable 5080 24GB review?

That's kinda what I'm sayin'.

 

[neatfeatguy]

- We need to stop using Microcenter as a baseline for anything until they allow free shipping to all 50 states at the same price as their instore offer (looks like this 5070ti is in store only as far as I can tell).

Otherwise I might as well point to my cousin Billy Bob's Electronics and Crab Shack that has some rando door buster part for MSRP.

Micro Center has limited merchandise it ships out from online sales and I don't mind. Not because of the fact that I live near one that I can visit, but online retailers make acquiring these hard to get items damn near impossible due to bots and limited quantities available to thousands of people that want them RIGHT NOW!

It's good that you need to set foot in one of their locations to obtain certain products, it helps drive foot traffic/sales. Sadly, because of how things have turned to online retail Micro Center is about the only place in the States you can rely upon being able to walk into and physically see/touch/feel/connect with merchandise. Fry's closed down some time back and before that there was CompUSA. I personally like brick and mortar stores so maybe I'm a bit biased.

But a majority of people don't live near a Microcenter, so the chances of getting a 5070Ti at MSRP is going to be low. Microcenter is known to sell things for a better deal than other retailers, it's a better business proposition that makes absolutely no sense why other retailers aren't following it. Don't rip off customers with inflated prices and they'll actually buy something, also while shopping around other things on a good deal might end up in the cart.
However IMO, even at MSRP the 5070Ti is priced too high, the 5070Ti should've been the 5070 at $549 because the 5070Ti being 12% faster on average than the 4070Ti Super just isn't progress at all. I remember when the xx70Ti mid range beat the previous xx80 high end card.

Micro Center has never had any great deals on GPUs. During the last crypto boom/covid lockdown BS, Micro Center was pricing GPUs high just like everywhere else. You wanted a 6700XT? Only cost you $1100. You want that RTX 3080? Only cost you $1200.

Really, the only upside to buying a GPU from Micro Center is you have to buy them in person and you stand a better chance of doing so over hoping you get lucky online.

The point is not where people live, but what the actual MSRP price on the 5070 Ti is. Sure, other shops can price them higher, but they are going to lose out badly on sales then.

And doesn't 'Micro Center' send products ordered on their webpage all over the US?

Micro Center does ship items all over the US, but not certain things such as GPUs, CPUs....possibly motherboards and so on. I've purchased some case fans online and had them shipped to me from Micro Center before. Big ticket items are the draw to get people into the store - you want that GPU? Go to the store. Once you're there the idea is you're probably going to spend more as you browse.

Anyone that has a Micro Center near them, find out what day(s) shipments arrive and then camp out early in hopes you get an opportunity to buy a 5090/5080.

 

[Visible Noise]

I wish I could get my ass smacked as hard as this smacks the 7900 XTX around.

 

[alwayssts]

I wish I could get my ass smacked as hard as this smacks the 7900 XTX around.

I'm very confused.

Oh, maybe you were being sarcastic. It's difficult for me to tell when it's written sometimes.

 

[KedsDead]

Placed credit card snuggly back into wallet..

 

[Visible Noise]

I'm very confused.

Oh, maybe you were being sarcastic. It's difficult for me to tell when it's written sometimes.

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No wonder AMD has been delaying the 9700 XT. It’s going to be 30% slower than this at best. I’ll bet every Radeon exec is gone from AMD in four months. They will never be able to sell that turd.

 

[lexluthermiester]

NO. A mid-range card was $350 - $400. Even adjusted for inflation that does not justify $950+ prices today. This isn't an inflation issue. This isn't a tariff issue. This isn't a global pandemic issue. It's pure greed.

Except that economic conditions and practical sense say your take has no merit. If you don't see the correlation, you have the problem. I'm not saying these prices are good, I'm saying they're expected to a certain degree.

I'm out-right disagreeing with Jay, but I'm not 100% agreeing with him either. Consumers need to vote with their wallets. IF the public wants to send a message about prices, the public needs to NOT buy the products being offered.

I just noticed something really interesting. I was checking Newegg and they have some of the prices up now.. Well only the ones for 750 and they show out of stock.. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601469157 Am I tripping? Does anyone else see this as well.

Yeah, I saw that too. It's the same everywhere.

I wish I could get my ass smacked as hard as this smacks the 7900 XTX around.

You can read and understand graphs, right? Or was that sarcasm..

 

[Visible Noise]

You can read and understand graphs, right? Or was that sarcasm..

Yes, I can. I can also read the review headline:

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC Review - Beating RX 7900 XTX​

 

[tfdsaf]

u'd ideally want at least 50% more performance for the same or lower price than what you bought your 4070ti for in order to upgrade, anything less than that and its just a side grade at best.

I bought my 2070 Super in 2021 for 845. 5070Ti will be 1200 here, what should I buy? I need at least 100% uplift and DLSS is a must.

Wait for AMD's release of their RX 9000 series and go from there, if nothing catches your eye from them, just skip this generation or wait until prices come to msrp levels for Nvidia cards no matter how long that takes.

I'm personally holding out hope for a surprise pricing on the RX 9070XT, if its 4080/7900xtx levels of performance according to various leaks and if the price is not ridiculous like what we've seen lately, but if it the more reasonable $600 price which was leaked few weeks earlier, then that could be a good deal.

Personally I was hoping for a disruptive price, something that would shock the system, something that would turn eyes, something that no one could pass out on, I was hoping for $520 pricing for the 9070XT as some earlier leaks suggested with the RX 9070 being $420. At worst $550 and $450 respectfully.

 

[Icon Charlie]

I just hope AMD does not do the stupid again. But of late, you get this feeling that they screw things up once again.

It's like the feeling when you see someone playing Russian Roulette with a loaded revolver.

You just know it is not going to end well.

 

[alwayssts]

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No wonder AMD has been delaying the 9700 XT. It’s going to be 30% slower than this at best. I’ll bet every Radeon exec is gone from AMD in four months. They will never be able to sell that turd.

1. Price is a phalacy, and 7900xtx *has* often been very cheap. N48 will likely be somewhat similar and cheaper.
2. THIS IS WHY RT NEEDS TO BE IT'S OWN THING. Yes, 7900xtx sucks at RT. Agreed. Not everyone buys a GPU for RT. Yes, increasingly people do. But there's an important thing people don't understand.
Take all those instances 5070ti ~60fps AVERAGES (not mins, probably <60fps; not shown) and then apply upscaling to 4k (~15% perf needed). You are now below 60fps averages, and with not great mins. This is why ram/more compute needed. Does this review show/explain either of those things? No. Is it a major failing of his reviews? Yes, it very much is. It's also why different reviews reach different (more sane) conclusions.
3. THAT CHART USES AVERAGES AND IS PURPOSELY MISLEADING. I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS TOO MANY TIMES. That is why I linked the min chart, WHICH YOU SHOULD LOOK AT EVERY GAME (especially those that don't use inherent RT like Black Myth, Silent Hill, etc.). This is the difference actual compute and/or ram makes. It *can* be quite drastic, and as I stated above (and verified by what he literally said in his conclusion) W1zard actively avoids games that have high VRAM usage. Yes, Navi3 sucks when there is RT involved, but N48 should even it out relative to it's raster, which yes...is lower. I'm not arguing that.

I'm not saying 9070xt is the best answer either, I'm truly not. I'm the guy literally saying EVERYTHING is bad, especially relative to it's price and how performance metrics are changing (raster/rt/up-scaling/etc).
But my goodness this is why reviews need to change. Too many people paint the wrong picture from this. I'm actually astonished people fall for it.
This is why W1z needs to do better. But I also get that the guy's gotta eat. It's all very complicated (how this appears to people that understand what could be going on).