MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC

[Why_Me]

The biggest positive that the 5070 ti's has for me is that it has 16gb and DLSS4, but I'm really scratching my head at why the 5080 doesn't have at least 24gb.. maybe they are holding off for the 5080 Ti or Super.

This ^^

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Definitely wait and see what AMD 9070 and NV 5070 bring

Woohoo! Is this confirmation from an actually credible source that we'll like the 9070 and 9070 XT's performance?

I know this is a thread about an astronomically over priced card, whose performance is better than the previous generations, but I'm still hyped for potentially not having terrible options at the "doesn't require I sell my organs" price level.

 

[boomheadshot8]

the big question is :
why do you need to upgrade ?
if you're playing games at 4k or 1440p : the games are always more demanding

If gaming industry optimised their games we could easily play at 4k 60 fps on all games with a 6/8go gpu for ~250€
but no
they don''t so you need to buy a new card every 1 or 2 years !

 

[THU31]

Great overclocking potential, but unusable with this cooler imo. But the card should undervolt like a dream.

This is pretty good value at $750, but absolutely not worth buying for more than that. Hopefully the price situation will stabilize in a few months.

 

[BigMack70]

Completely and absurdly fake MSRP to generate positive reviews.

This card is a $900+ flop.

Monopolies are frustrating. How will AMD manage to screw up this time and keep enabling nGreedia? Find out in a few weeks!

 

[lexluthermiester]

The biggest positive that the 5070 ti's has for me is that it has 16gb and DLSS4, but I'm really scratching my head at why the 5080 doesn't have at least 24gb.. maybe they are holding off for the 5080 Ti or Super.

My personal take, NVidia screwed up. The 5080 should have been the 5070ti(@$750) and the 5070ti should have been the 5070(@$550). The gap between the 5090 and the 5080 is redonkulas.

5070 Ti gives nightmares to excited buyers who think they will be able to get a card for $750

Many already have.

 

[Dahita]

My personal take, NVidia screwed up. The 5080 should have been the 5070ti(@$750) and the 5070ti should have been the 5070(@$550). The gap between the 5090 and the 5080 is redonkulas.

Mid-range was $500 before COVID 5 years ago, it can't be $500 anymore due to inflation. At $750, this card would be "okayish" (due to the low step-up from the 4070TI SUPER). But the paperlaunch and inflated price from brands to retailers makes it a bad deal for all of us.

Hoping AMD jumps on the opportunity for market shares, but I'm not too delusional.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Hoping AMD jumps on the opportunity for market shares, but I'm not too delusional.

They are going to jump at the opportunity to release a 7800XT successor for 200 usd more 18 months later..... #Profit .

The funny thing is this time it will sell because everything else is either out of stock or completely trash.

 

[lexluthermiester]

due to inflation

Exactly. EVERYTHING is more expensive. Some things, like food, are nearly twice the cost. Comparing to pre-pandemic pricing is unrealistic. So $750 is a reasonable amount accounting for inflation which no-one can avoid.

 

[Flogger23m]

Gigabyte Windforce is $750, ASUS & PNY also have a model for $750. I wonder how those coolers compare, this MSI Ventus cooler does not look that good. MSI's MSRP coolers don't seem to have been that good these last two generations.

Will be interested in seeing more overclocking results. If these are reliably overclockers it will add to the value. As is, I think it would be a decent GPU if priced at $600-650. $750 is a bit much, and it does have high power draw for a **70 card.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

When the flagship is $2000 (list price), $750-900 are smack in the middle of the stack

Not that I have the right to say anything when I did order a 5090... but alas

-ACKSHUALLY When the top card of the stack is $2000 MSRP and the bottom card of the stack is $300 MSRP (presumably) Mid-range is actually $1100-$1200 (just to be pedantic about it ).

You can't actually get new card (from NV) for $299-$0 so those need to be excluded from the range estimates.

So really we have the 5090 High end, 5080 Mid-Range, 5070Ti Lower Mid Range, 5070 will be upper-low, 5060Ti will be mid-low, and 5060 will be rock bottom.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The only issue is, it is just not true.

For an excellent video gameplay experience I just don't need a NVidia graphics card today.

If you say so

 

[Krit]

This is pretty good value at $750, but absolutely not worth buying for more than that.

By clear mind i can only say it's a barely good deal why? Because at 1440p RTX 5070 Ti it's only slightly better on average than RTX 4070 Ti Super gen for gen it's still weak.

 

[Assimilator]

How is it possible that NVIDIA hasn't fixed Blackwell non-gaming power consumption yet? 5000-series launch is a clown show in literally every way possible.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Look here: https://www.microcenter.com/product...e-triple-fan-16gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

Remember that 'Micro Center' is a dead serious business. So, going in baiting many with the price it has got now and then just make the price higher (to like 900 dollars) a minute before they go for sale, is not a good look for 'Micro Center'.

So, what do you think?

 

[Hecate91]

This was an interesting review, TPU so far is the only one I've seen following the fictional MSRP and not really criticizing the 5070Ti. Disappointing to see a 50 series card still get a "highly recommended" badge despite all the issues with the 50 series.

A reminder to everyone that Nvidia publicly claimed that this card will match the 4090.

I know people that sold their 4090s and 4080s in anticipation of this cheaper gpu that allegedly matched their performances for half the cost. It’s not okay to lie like that. Even though I have an Nvidia gpu I still think this whole 5070TI marketing bs was so over the top that it made me seriously question their ethics.
Also, this is what happens when there’s no competition in a free market. I wish AMD or anyone really would compete, so we’d win. But unfortunately with no competition Nvidia can literally do whatever they want and it’ll see be okay

It was the 5070 Nvidia claimed was faster than the 4090, but the 5080 doesn't even beat the 4090 so that claim is a ton of BS but no one has really called them out for it.
And the issue is people thought Nvidia ever had any ethics, and that people are only now questioning overpriced cards with very little performance uplift over previous gen. If the market were truly free, then Nvidia would have been broken up for monopolistic practices, or at least investigated for repeatedly lying to their investors and customers.

I agree with you on the pricing calculation (which they increased because of the lack of competition), however you’re incorrect about generational improvements. Can we please start being realistic when it comes to physics and the actual limitations we’re getting with transistor sizes and other tech improvements? This isn’t an endless pool of unrealized performance gains, there’s an actual limit to what can be done for each price point given the R&D and manufacturing costs.

Except Nvidia is making 60-70% profit margin on consumer cards, they definitely have the R&D to produce better cards, but have no reason to because Nvidia can sell more dies for 2000% profit margin instead as compute & AI datacenter hardware. The problem isn't so much on the competition as Nvidia has only been competing with themselves for years now, they don't care what AMD and Intel are doing because people will simply pay more for the green sticker regardless.

 

[alwayssts]

Very interesting to see people call out all the bullshit this go-round, including W1zard's test suite amongst other things (like the actual real price during it's relevance).

It's not just the games, which I've long-explained are biased, but it should include things like mins in RT/upscaling, not just averages for RT (so people can see limitations/real use-cases). This is very important.
I also know it's also a shit ton of work, but that's where we're at, because it just is. We need to see 1440p and 4k 'quality' and 'performance' upscaling w/ and w/o rt, and their minimums. Also raster.
You have to evaluate 7900xtx and cards oriented towards RT and/or greater than one level of up-scaling on their own merits (including quality of that up-scaling). You shouldn't simply conflate the two.

This is non-negotiable for relevance levels of important. If you want to split them into a different graph or set of graphs, that's fine, but that information needs to be there.
You can't just use average mins. You can't just separate RT averages. It is so incredibly misleading to people I don't even know what to say. I have to believe he knows this?

On top of that the title is just...wow. That's a new level, even for this site's typical commentary. Was that comparison in the reviewer's guide? I'm pretty sure it truly was for the 4080s (also misleading).

Good job, every-men. Carry on. More people are starting to get it (and asking the right questions)! Hooray! This is why you should never rely on just one source, especially this one...not anymore.

Few issues down that people are starting to absorb, only a whole bunch left to go. Like I've been trying to explain, testing needs to be completely revamped...especially on this very important site.
It's not just the feature-set, but also ram limitations shown through IQ differences that are not reflected in frame-rate; more visual, as we talked about here.

I want W1zard to have the credibility he deserves due to his work/datasets (all the info; like clocks/voltages at different uses, fan info, etc), but his games tested/methods/averages info need a serious revamp.

Not doing this really does damage his cred, imo; it does not lead to an accurate analysis for consumers. Given he's one of the few written/static sites with this much info, it's important it stays relevant/accurate.

Does he want that, though? I honestly don't know anymore, and haven't for a while. Prove me wrong: that's what I'm saying. I'm not insulting the man; just prove me wrong by being better, then we all win.

Then I can shut up about all this stuff because people will actually see it on a grand scale rather than me having to explain it.

I could PM some suggestions for potential improvements, iyw? I have many beyond mentioned here that would make things more applicable to more people and their general uses; give a clearer picture.
Not trying to be aggravating, unthankful, or biased in either direction; I just truly want this to be a reliable source of pertinent information. TPU is becoming less X-bit Labs and more...something else.

Honestly, chaps in this forum, I'm really proud of you all for calling this out en masse. I really, truly, am.

I don't honestly know if this is an honest misrepresentation or W1zard has ulterior motives, but I can tell you how it's looked in the past and continues to look with this review.

Apparently, now, so can many other people.

If you want to 'ignore' people calling this out, that's fine. Revel in your own ignorance and accept the not-currently-shown limitations/advantages brought about by your choices, for that is your right.
At some point someone will breakthrough and more will understand the important divide that is happening (between raster and rt/up-scaling inc IQ), and how things are shifting in perhaps unexpected ways.
Maybe not today, but someday.

Some already do, and I'm happy for that.

 

[THU31]

By clear mind i can only say it's a barely good deal why? Because at 1440p RTX 5070 Ti it's only slightly better on average than RTX 4070 Ti Super gen for gen it's still weak.

I mean, I wish they could pull off another Maxwell, and if it was easy they probably would've done it. It's the same node, so how much can you expect?

If there's no better product available, then the value is still good, even if it's stagnant.
Of course if someone has the 4070 Ti Super, there's zero reason to upgrade (even to a 5080). As a 4070 owner, for me it would be a substantial upgrade (and the fact you can undervolt to 0.8 V instead of 0.9 V on Ada is significant to me in terms of using the card in the summer). But I'm not in a rush at all, I can wait for a good deal, whenever it might happen.

But it is sad that all the newest CPUs and GPUs are an overall disappointment (the 9800X3D might be the only exception, but it's pretty expensive, and definitely had availability issues early on).

 

[Mindweaver]

I just noticed something really interesting. I was checking Newegg and they have some of the prices up now.. Well only the ones for 750 and they show out of stock.. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601469157 Am I tripping? Does anyone else see this as well.

 

[arbiter]

The biggest positive that the 5070 ti's has for me is that it has 16gb and DLSS4, but I'm really scratching my head at why the 5080 doesn't have at least 24gb.. maybe they are holding off for the 5080 Ti or Super.

DLSS 4 works on all RTX cards its not limited to 50 series. Just frame gen is limited

 

[CyberPomPom]

If AMD was off better, they would have released it by now, there is absolutely no business reason to let your competitor snatch most of your customers cash up before releasing you own product. Idiotic even, thus, it's by logic, I can only assume, they will scalp at the same price range and also have near no stock.

Well, the market for dGPU is around 2~3 million cards a month last time I checked and the RTX5000 are available in orders of magnitude less quantity so their will still be customers in two weeks. Even for the DIY part of the market the stock of RTX (both generations) is very low. And we are not seeing a lot of Dell/HP systems with RTX5080 either.

I believe AMD expected more availability from NVidia at first and when they saw the state of RTX5000 stocks they decided to wait the last moment. Being the only manufacturer with availability in the mid to high range AMD never sold this many GPU since RDNA3 release.
There is absolutely no hurry for them to depreciate the value of current RDNA3 stock by launching RDNA4 early. Even if they stopped production a while ago they still need to sell inventory at the best margins.

 

[Mindweaver]

DLSS 4 works on all RTX cards its not limited to 50 series. Just frame gen is limited

Yeah I'm using it on my 4070 Ti but still the selling point I'm referring to is the bigger jump in performance. I should have noted that but I was going into a meeting and at first I was only putting 16gb but then at the last minute i was like I better put DLSS4 or someone will say something.. haha

 

[dir_d]

I just noticed something really interesting. I was checking Newegg and they have some of the prices up now.. Well only the ones for 750 and they show out of stock.. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601469157 Am I tripping? Does anyone else see this as well.

You are right, shows the same to me, all $749 Out of Stock the rest Coming Soon

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

My personal take, NVidia screwed up. The 5080 should have been the 5070ti(@$750) and the 5070ti should have been the 5070(@$550). The gap between the 5090 and the 5080 is redonkulas.

Replace those models with the rdna3 ones and that has been my take with AMD’s launch of rdna3.

Except the bunkers pricing of the 4090 and 5090.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

You sure about that?

Look here: https://www.microcenter.com/product...e-triple-fan-16gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

Remember that 'Micro Center' is a dead serious business. So, going in baiting many with the price it has got now and then just make the price higher (to like 900 dollars) a minute before they go for sale, is not a good look for 'Micro Center'.

So, what do you think?

- We need to stop using Microcenter as a baseline for anything until they allow free shipping to all 50 states at the same price as their instore offer (looks like this 5070ti is in store only as far as I can tell).

Otherwise I might as well point to my cousin Billy Bob's Electronics and Crab Shack that has some rando door buster part for MSRP.