NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected, RTX 5070 Ti, Too

[ThomasK]

A clown mafia who will no doubt mess up their best opportunity in nearly 15 years to capture mind and market share.

At this point, the one treating its customers as clowns is nvidia, guess that's why you're so butthurt.

After all, this thread is about missing ROPs on the 5090s, isn't it?

 

[john_]

A clown mafia who will no doubt mess up their best opportunity in nearly 15 years to capture mind and market share.

Those "clowns" are doing fine in servers and CPUs. If you think you could face a company 10-15 times stronger than you, based on market cap and a company with deep connection with OEMs and fabs at the same time and have better results, send a resume at AMD.

 

[Chrispy_]

The problem is that Nvidia is so rich they don't care.

Gamers aren't their audience any more; We're literally getting the broken scraps of their AI/datacentre business and if they sold zero gaming cards this generation it would barely make a dent in their revenue.

 

[Sound_Card]

I don't know if you are an AMD fan or not, but this kind of reasoning - which relies on making excuses and hand-waving away AMD's problems - is exactly the problem.

No, AMD did not "catch them" with Polaris or Vega. Neither was competitive at the high end with Nvidia's products, neither was polished enough to compete with Nvidia's feature set and end user experience, and neither was priced aggressively enough to make Nvidia's offerings look like overpriced nonsense. Hence, no mind share and no market share for AMD.

"AMD is just as good except for {xyz}" has been required copium for AMD fans for 13 years, and it's just that - copium. The last time AMD had a product that caught Nvidia and was just as good was the HD 7970 - 13 years ago. They have failed time and time and time again to capitalize on Nvidia's missteps, and I fully expect they will do the same here with RDNA 4.

They clearly have your mind share if you drop $1500+ for ...

 

[Waldorf]

@AusWolf
really depends on a couple of things, like if its all brands (getting cut/defective chips; Nv to blame), or just some where its more likely to not be Nv (directly) for cause.
also total numbers are relevant, so it becomes visible if its ~1%, 10% or +80% of cards with trouble.

 

[Gasaraki]

OMFG NVIDIA, what are you DOING?

It might not beNVIDIA's fault. NVIDIA sells them chips meant for 5080s or 5070Tis and then Zotac probably just used these defective chips in the 5090 instead.

Companies use "defective" chips for lower speced models. It is up to the AIBs to put proper firmware on their own cards.

 

[ThomasK]

if they sold zero gaming cards this generation it would barely make a dent in their revenue.

Quite the contrary, the fact that nvidia is selling any 5000 series cards to gamers, albeit with almost no available stock, is a dent in its revenue, since it could be selling the same silicon to DC customers for a much higher price.

 

[JustBenching]

I wonder how many more issues are going to arise from the 5090. It's not feeling like a good investment given the cost. What good is buying the best if you're rolling the dice on several issues?

The sad part is that you can remove an extra 8 rops on top of the 8 that are already missing and the 5090 would still remain the only high end option with 0 competition this gen. If I didn't have a card I'd be buying the 5090 even if I knew I was getting the crappy one, that's how sad things are. Intel / amd need to wake the heck up, fast.

 

[_roman_]

How sloppy and terrible does nvidia need to be before AMD can catch up in quality and mind share? Looks like they want to find out... 50 series looking like an all time terrible GPU series. Bad performance gains, awful pricing, a little bit of fraud, and a Russian roulette game of "will it light your PC on fire?"... And I still expect AMD to do something that makes them look like the less competent company

Whataboutism: yes pull in AMD in a NVIDIA bash topic.

Do not forget INTEL makes graphic card with acceleration booster

 

[InVasMani]

NVIDIA now with Less ROPs lesser PhysX faker frames with phonier MSRP pricing!

 

[_roman_]

I doubt many will check for full graphic card chip in windows.

 

[Vayra86]

I guess that could be their reasoning.
Their problem though is that the customers who stand in line for hours to shell out $2000+ for a 5090 are exactly the kind of people who will notice any small thing about their new purchase.

Ouch nVidia, how much more of your BS are people willing to take?

Yep, I'm not saying its a smart move...

But there have been a lot of not so smart moves lately.

 

[Dragokar]

Maybe that's a hint why the 5060 batches are delayed as well....

 

[Sound_Card]

Nvidia clearly rushed to market because they are hell-bent keen on being first to the market, no matter what. This is one of those times they should have delayed by about 3 months to make sure they can build up stock, and do some serious quality control. We were, including myself, calling AMD the incompetent ones for delaying the 9070, but it looks like they are actually the smart ones by doing that.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

A clown mafia who will no doubt mess up their best opportunity in nearly 15 years to capture mind and market share.

- They already have by scrapping any big die/chiplet RDNA 4 parts. This is why AMD should make it a point to always compete at the top. No one thought Intel would completely flub the way they did and AMD has made major inroads in the CPU space because they always showed up to fight for the top spot.

Now Nvidia has stumbled pretty badly and all AMD is sitting on is mid-range parts that rumors suggest punch way above their weight class.

If they had a 500mm2 96CU RDNA 4 part they might have been nipping at the 5090's heels (assuming rumors of the 64CU RDNA4 part being at 4080 levels is true) but instead they're stuck out here playing marketing games and jebaiting and crap.

 

[Vayra86]

The funny thing is AMD did catch them with Polaris and Vega was faster but Crypto first and then RT/DLSS narrative pushed it back down. Then Nvidia started selling Gaming GPUs directly to China and it juiced their Gaming numbers to to the conceived 90% market share. Then the PC Community will tell you it is all people buying 4090s from Brick and Mortar and e-tailers.

Vega was faster? What parallel universe are you in? Polaris 'caught' what exactly? Miners? Or the better half of the gaming market that had already bought a 970 about 2 years earlier? The RX480 wasn't faster or better than it, only slightly cheaper and way too late.

Vega released in august 2017, 1 year and 3 months later, and was slower than the GTX 1080, not cheaper, and guzzled about 1,4x the power to get to that performance. Vega 56 was eclipsed by the 1070ti which released 3 months later.

Seriously wondering where you get the factoids to construe this weird reality you are posting.

 

[rv8000]

@AusWolf
really depends on a couple of things, like if its all brands (getting cut/defective chips; Nv to blame), or just some where its more likely to not be Nv (directly) for cause.
also total numbers are relevant, so it becomes visible if its ~1%, 10% or +80% of cards with trouble.

Already verified 3 different AIBs have this issue.

 

[wNotyarD]

Already verified 3 different AIBs have this issue.

I've seen Zotac and MSI. What's the third?

 

[rv8000]

I've seen Zotac and MSI. What's the third?

Manli.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Those "clowns" are doing fine in servers and CPUs. If you think you could face a company 10-15 times stronger than you, based on market cap and a company with deep connection with OEMs and fabs at the same time and have better results, send a resume at AMD.

Yep. I’ve been around long enough to recall when AMD was selling a superior CPU to Intel, but Intel maintained its dominance by buying up the best production equipment (for their own fans), the best wafers, and used “partnership programs” with OEMs and software companies. Remember when if “genuineintel” was detected, code immediately went into hobble mode? It might as well have been a closed-source API that no competitor could use but the industry was dependent upon it.

 

[kane nas]

I've seen Zotac and MSI. What's the third?

Gigash@t

 

[dont whant to set it"']

So , not one thought to bring popcorn?
Anyhow, does Aida64 report the same? I read an msg/email recently that said the new version/update now supports the new Nvidia 5000 series.

 

[JustBenching]

Manli.

And gigabyte

 

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf
really depends on a couple of things, like if its all brands (getting cut/defective chips; Nv to blame), or just some where its more likely to not be Nv (directly) for cause.
also total numbers are relevant, so it becomes visible if its ~1%, 10% or +80% of cards with trouble.

According to a recent update, ComputerBase's Zotac sample is unaffected. So it's definitely the chips, not the AIBs.
And I don't think the total number matters. This is bad, and the affected cards should be called back.

This kind of reminds me of AMD's issue with the MBA cooler on their 7900 XTX. There's no point sweeping it under the rug quoting the (low) number of cases reported (so far).

 

[wNotyarD]

Manli.

And gigabyte

That makes it four. And that's four too many.