NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected, RTX 5070 Ti, Too

[Denver]

Kids, don't fight. If the random guy on twitter said it, it must be true. So Nvidia is actually selling defective dies. Yay!

 

[JustBenching]

But would a defective 5090 just report as missing 8 rops? How? Doesn't nvidia have to fuse them off on a hardware level?

 

[sethmatrix7]

Was considering the 50xx series before launch. After all this... I'm good. AMD will come out with a compellingly priced performance uplift or I'll stick with the 3080.

 

[Sir Beregond]

easy editors choice award.

Glad I am not the only one to notice that.

So...Nvidia is selling the AIBs defective chips, and the AIBs are taking them and not sending them back to Nvidia as defective. Scummy all around.

Nvidia really is handing AMD a prime opportunity to really make Nvidia look more than just greedy, but stupid obviously greedy. Hope AMD doesn't squander it with dumb launch prices and no volume.

It might not beNVIDIA's fault. NVIDIA sells them chips meant for 5080s or 5070Tis and then Zotac probably just used these defective chips in the 5090 instead.

Companies use "defective" chips for lower speced models. It is up to the AIBs to put proper firmware on their own cards.

Wouldn't make sense. The 5090 uses GB202. The 5080 and 5070 Ti use GB203. You don't just slot a GB202 die into a standard PCB for a 5080. Now down the line, it's certainly possible. There were AD102 based 4070 Ti Supers out there. But I don't think that's what's happening here. -8 ROPS isn't a 5080.

 

[mxthunder]

Anyone that has a defective 5090 with the missing ROPs and had to send it in to exchange for a new one, would you? I would have a hard time letting it out of my possession. Make them cross ship at least. Hold my credit card. not getting it out of my possession until i have replacement.
Ugh. what a pickle.

 

[kapone32]

Vega was faster? What parallel universe are you in? Polaris 'caught' what exactly? Miners? Or the better half of the gaming market that had already bought a 970 about 2 years earlier? The RX480 wasn't faster or better than it, only slightly cheaper and way too late.

Vega released in august 2017, 1 year and 3 months later, and was slower than the GTX 1080, not cheaper, and guzzled about 1,4x the power to get to that performance. Vega 56 was eclipsed by the 1070ti which released 3 months later.

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Seriously wondering where you get the factoids to construe this weird reality you are posting.

I was not comparing it to Nvidia but Polaris.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

I don't know if you are an AMD fan or not, but this kind of reasoning - which relies on making excuses and hand-waving away AMD's problems - is exactly the problem.

No, AMD did not "catch them" with Polaris or Vega. Neither was competitive at the high end with Nvidia's products, neither was polished enough to compete with Nvidia's feature set and end user experience, and neither was priced aggressively enough to make Nvidia's offerings look like overpriced nonsense. Hence, no mind share and no market share for AMD.

"AMD is just as good except for {xyz}" has been required copium for AMD fans for 13 years, and it's just that - copium. The last time AMD had a product that caught Nvidia and was just as good was the HD 7970 - 13 years ago. They have failed time and time and time again to capitalize on Nvidia's missteps, and I fully expect they will do the same here with RDNA 4.

Holy shit this reeks of fanboyism it hurts lol. It seems like Nvidia fanboys wanna point out failures of AMD GPUs or how they are not catching up…but forgot that the AMD RX 6000 series existed and was by far the best GPU architecture AMD has ever made point blank. It DEFINITELY caught up to Nvidia but then a new narrative came about(RT AND DLSS) and made that so important and now AMD behind again. Rinse and repeat.

However, as saying goes, AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity so even though Nvidia is fucking up, I would be shocked if AMD manage to take advantage of it. History tends to repeat itself.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Just going to leave this here too: (Never have we been asked so much, for so little)

 

[JohH]

Quality $2000 hardware. Did I say $2000? I mean $2600 or more.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

OMFG NVIDIA, what are you DOING?

 

[Sound_Card]

The way it's meant to be played lol.

 

[Sir Beregond]

5090 melting connectors...we can bring back the Fermi era Nvidia memes:

As for the -8 ROPs..."Nvidia - The way the customer is meant to be played"

 

[theouto]

Gambling is a feature is the 5000 series, this is all intended behaviour.

 

[LabRat 891]

Anyone that has a defective 5090 with the missing ROPs and had to send it in to exchange for a new one, would you? I would have a hard time letting it out of my possession. Make them cross ship at least. Hold my credit card. not getting it out of my possession until i have replacement.
Ugh. what a pickle.

I'd be tempted to keep it. These days, I could see a Class Action stipulate that those already 'made whole' need not apply.

 

[BigMack70]

Holy shit this reeks of fanboyism it hurts lol. It seems like Nvidia fanboys wanna point out failures of AMD GPUs or how they are not catching up…but forgot that the AMD RX 6000 series existed and was by far the best GPU architecture AMD has ever made point blank. It DEFINITELY caught up to Nvidia but then a new narrative came about(RT AND DLSS) and made that so important and now AMD behind again.

As I said..

"AMD is just as good except for {xyz}" has been required copium for AMD fans for 13 years, and it's just that - copium. The last time AMD had a product that caught Nvidia and was just as good was the HD 7970 - 13 years ago. They have failed time and time and time again to capitalize on Nvidia's missteps, and I fully expect they will do the same here with RDNA 4.

Last time AMD matched or beat Nvidia without the need for hilarious amounts of copium was HD 7970. No, the 6000 series was not as good as Ampere.

 

[sbacc]

I see it now, the 5090 is revolutionary, it is the first "quantum" GPU, it has 8 ROP that might be here or not all at the same time, this is a Schrödinger's cat level of genius computing. Until you open the "GPUz box" you don't know in what state it is.

 

[Bomby569]

nvidia drivers are also going to shit. Not sure what is going on, this seems like Intel before the crash, they just don't have competition

 

[dyonoctis]

The 5 series is indeed cursed ? Just like the old 5900 ultra series woes ...

A new architecutral paradigm coming with the RTX 8090 ultra ? (very unlikely, but one can hope. AMD already couldn't deliver a RX 9700 that would have emulated the 9700 pro)

 

[R0H1T]

Last time AMD matched or beat Nvidia without the need for hilarious amounts of copium was HD 7970. No, the 6000 series was not as good as Ampere.

And your point is? Nvidia fanboys would pay 2x more money for 1.2x more performance in their "favorite" benches

this seems like Intel before the crash, they just don't have competition

This is actually their biggest market in retail ~

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Flow-Z13-GZ302EA-Convertible-Review-AMD-s-Strix-Halo-GPU-is-neck-and-neck-with-the-RTX-4070-Laptop.963266.0.html

Although the halo (desktop) cards probably do have much better margins!

 

[JustBenching]

And your point is? Nvidia fanboys would pay 2x more money for 1.2x more performance in their "favorite" benches

They don't need to pay 2x more, the 4080 already smokes the best amd has to offer even in raster (latest TPU gpu benchmark). That's a 3 year old card, smoking AMD's best, at an area AMD is best at (raster). Nough said, move on.

People really need to get a grip, nvidia has the 6 fastest cards as of right now in raster. RASTER, an area they are not even trying to be competitive at...That's without fake frames, without DLSS, just pure raster performance. But yeah, those nvidia fanboys.

Spoiler

 

[azrael]

The 5000 series launch is turning more and more into a complete shit show. I guess, Jensen's take on it would probably be "the more faulty dice you use, the more you earn".

 

[soulphie]

But would a defective 5090 just report as missing 8 rops? How? Doesn't nvidia have to fuse them off on a hardware level?

Yes, it seems like Nvidia fucked this up and mixed up 5090 and 5090D dies

 

[efikkan]

So I guess the revised specs will be: "Up to 176 ROPs*****" then…

Haha, I collected baseball cards as a kid, and the “Error cards” were indeed worth more. So there we have it, the ZOTAC 5090E.

Shhhh! Don't give them any ideas! :scream:

 

[sethmatrix7]

They don't need to pay 2x more, the 4080 already smokes the best amd has to offer even in raster (latest TPU gpu benchmark). That's a 3 year old card, smoking AMD's best, at an area AMD is best at (raster). Nough said, move on.

People really need to get a grip, nvidia has the 6 fastest cards as of right now in raster. RASTER, an area they are not even trying to be competitive at...That's without fake frames, without DLSS, just pure raster performance. But yeah, those nvidia fanboys.

Spoiler

And half those cards could catch on fire, black screen of death off PCIe issues, or possibly even come with neutered performance like these 5090s.

Keep eating up that slop at minimum 25% over MSRP!

 

[dyonoctis]

Nvidia is literally the Apple of PC hardware. They can do whatever they want, because their consumer base allows them to. It does not matter if Apple breaks things and does slimy tactics, the sheep will continue to buy the products because it's a status statement. You are either in the 'in' or you are in the 'out'. Nvidia enjoys the exact same with their consumer base. It does not matter if they screw you over, the ecosystem is worth it, being in the club is worth it

Slimy tactics with the storage sure, but apple dislike when things aren't working on a hardware level (the bumpgate made them banish nvidia from the Mac, wich really hurt them for over a decade in the professional space.) And so far they've always fixed issues that became a real hindrance, like the butterfly keyboard, the antennagate etc...

Now Nvidia is in a different position where for a subset of their customers, there's no real 1:1 equivalent. You need top performance at 4K, the most popular GPGPU API ? There's only one brand that provide that right now.

I've said that before, but the company that manage to become a trillion dollar company by selling defectives products on the regular is a myth, small hindrance can get a pass, a fuck up once in while as well. But people never shut up about stuff that's actually getting in the way of using said product especially if it becomes reccurent. When you start to collect those kind of headlines your image takes a hit. The status symbol is credible because there's some truth to the premium aspect of the product. Ignore the issues for too long, and your credibility will be lost. Apple had to discontinue/ bend the knee and make changes when a product was actually so mediocre, the sales figures where actually not that good.

Nvidia hasn't released a product that had sooooo many contrersy about it for a long time, it's not as if every release was like that, and they've managed to climb to 90% marketshare regardless.