And how much does this out of production(?) card cost now?They don't need to pay 2x more, the 4080 already smokes the best amd has to offer even in raster (latest TPU gpu benchmark).
And how much does this out of production(?) card cost now?They don't need to pay 2x more, the 4080 already smokes the best amd has to offer even in raster (latest TPU gpu benchmark).
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Surely not 2x as much as the 7900xtx, right?And how much does this out of production(?) card cost now?
Yeah, for sure man.And half those cards could catch on fire, black screen of death off PCIe issues, or possibly even come with neutered performance like these 5090s.
Keep eating up that slop at minimum 25% over MSRP!
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I was talking about market share.I don't know if you are an AMD fan or not, but this kind of reasoning - which relies on making excuses and hand-waving away AMD's problems - is exactly the problem.
No, AMD did not "catch them" with Polaris or Vega. Neither was competitive at the high end with Nvidia's products, neither was polished enough to compete with Nvidia's feature set and end user experience, and neither was priced aggressively enough to make Nvidia's offerings look like overpriced nonsense. Hence, no mind share and no market share for AMD.
"AMD is just as good except for {xyz}" has been required copium for AMD fans for 13 years, and it's just that - copium. The last time AMD had a product that caught Nvidia and was just as good was the HD 7970 - 13 years ago. They have failed time and time and time again to capitalize on Nvidia's missteps, and I fully expect they will do the same here with RDNA 4.
I'm sure you haven't missed the part where 4080 is doing 1.2x of 7900xtx huhSurely not 2x as much as the 7900xtx, right?
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Only because of Crypto.Vega? Vega was the biggest flop amd has ever released. Came a year too late, prices were absolutely insane and power draw was nuts vs nvidias last year offerings.
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no, not literally, they want to be and they are working for it.Nvidia is literally the Apple of PC hardware.
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no, not literally, they want to be and they are working for it.
But Apple doesn't have the best or fastest like Nvidia, so it's not really literally the same thing. The thing that makes Apple Apple is the design, detail, how it works. Nvidia is just brut forcing is way into being a Apple
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No, I didn't miss it at all. You missed the point. Yes, people are willing to pay twice as much for 20% better performance. That has nothing to do with nvidia or amd, since they are willing to pay twice for a 4090 over the 4080 as well. You basically made an argument that people should be buying a 7900xtx over a 4090 because of value while completely forgetting that there is a 4080 and a 4080S anyways.I'm sure you haven't missed the part where 4080 is doing 1.2x of 7900xtx huh![]()
And they aren't sure if it can be fixed with drivers or a VBIOS update. Missing ROPS, black screens, melting power connectors, the 5090 needs a recall or a class action needs to happen from those with defective cards.Maybe the missing ROPs are causing the black screens.
NVIDIA now investigating black screen issues across RTX Series GPUs - VideoCardz.com
You made the argument of a 4080 being 1.2x better than anything from AMD, and its obvious nvidia buyers are willing to pay 2x as much just to have the 10-20% faster nvidia card.No, I didn't miss it at all. You missed the point. Yes, people are willing to pay twice as much for 20% better performance. That has nothing to do with nvidia or amd, since they are willing to pay twice for a 4090 over the 4080 as well. You basically made an argument that people should be buying a 7900xtx over a 4090 because of value while completely forgetting that there is a 4080 and a 4080S anyways.
Come on, we both know what you meant.
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I did no such thing.You made the argument of a 4080 being 1.2x better than anything from AMD
Wtf is an "nvidia buyer". Im willing to pay 2x as much to have the fastest, I don't care if its nvidia or amd or intel or whatever. Stop, people spending lots of money dont care about brands, they just want the best. Nobody in their right mind cares which multibillion dollar company manafactures his gpu.and its obvious nvidia buyers are willing to pay 2x as much just to have the 10-20% faster nvidia card.
The real point was Nvidia chose to cull 4xxx series production ~ it's a choice by a $3 trillion Mega Corp! No need to defend their fiendishness hereCome on, we both know what you meant.
Then don't f**** cry like you don't have choice ~ when you actively encourage such greedStop, people spending lots of money dont care about brands, they just want the best. Nobody in their right mind cares which multibillion dollar company manafactures his gpu.
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Im not defending the company cause you are not attacking the company. Youve been - repeatedly - attacking users / buyers. You called them idiots in the very first page. Then you proceeded with fanboys and sheep. You need to get a grip. The same idiots - sheep - fanboys are buying 9800x 3d in bulk btw.The real point was Nvidia chose to cull 4xxx series production ~ it's a choice by a $3 trillion Mega Corp! No need to defend their fiendishness here![]()
Yes because what you don't want(?) to understand is that actions of a few, or a lot in this case, affect more than just them! Do you see the world we live in, do you like it right now?You called them idiots in the very first page. Then you proceeded with fanboys and sheep. You need to get a grip. The same idiots - sheep - fanboys are buying 9800x 3d in bulk btw.
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Im sure you calling everyone whos purchasing decisions you don't agree with idiots and sheep is fixing a lot of problems. Especially when they are buying a better product than what you want them to buy, that's extra hilarious.Yes because what you don't want(?) to understand is that actions of a few, or a lot in this case, affect more than just them ~ do you see the world we live in, do you like it right now?
Apple only fixed those issues when enough people came forward or sued them with a class action. Much like Apple, Nvidia doesn't care as long as they can sell their consumers more products and keep them locked in the ecosystem.And so far they've always fixed issues that became a real hindrance, like the butterfly keyboard, the antennagate etc...
Only one brand can provide the highest 4k performance because they have a near monopoly, as for AI, Nvidia built the brand off the backs of gamers to only keep screwing them over by only focusing on the AI market, it's obvious Nvidia doesn't care about gamers anymore since the consumer products keep having issues, and even drivers are suffering quality problems.Now Nvidia is in a different position where for a subset of their customers, there's no real 1:1 equivalent. You need top performance at 4K, the most popular GPGPU API ? There's only one brand that provide that right now.
Every high end Nvidia card since at least the Turning generation has had problems, the 2080Ti was affected by artifacting, the 3090 was prone to get killed from a game, 40 series with melting power connectors and it never went away if you've seen videos from board level repair Youtube channels. And now this whole multitude of issues with the 50 series, they keep getting a pass for everything from the tech press and their loyal fans. The 90% marketshare is very telling that nvidia buyers don't care about the defects, they'll just keep lining up for the next card while high on the copium telling themselves it's always worth buying because it's the fastest.I've said that before, but the company that manage to become a trillion dollar company by selling defectives products on the regular is a myth, small hindrance can get a pass, a fuck up once in while as well. But people never shut up about stuff that's actually getting in the way of using said product especially if it becomes reccurent. When you start to collect those kind of headlines your image takes a hit. The status symbol is credible because there's some truth to the premium aspect of the product. Ignore the issues for too long, and your credibility will be lost. Apple had to discontinue/ bend the knee and make changes when a product was actually so mediocre, the sales figures where actually not that good.
Nvidia hasn't released a product that had sooooo many contrersy about it for a long time, it's not as if every release was like that, and they've managed to climb to 90% marketshare regardless
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...the 3090 was prone to get killed from a game...
You claimed the 4080 smokes the 7900XTX even in raster, which just is not the case on relative performance even with the TPU game suite changed to put Nvidia in the best light possible with a bunch of RT heavy games.I did no such thing.
I thought that was obvious, an nvidia buyer is someone who will buy nvidia no matter what, as for not caring I'll believe that when people who constantly look for reasons to bash on AMD actually prove it. And the thing is a lot of people aren't in their right mind paying used car money for a graphics card, despite the news of melting power connectors people are buying them anyway. The gaming GPU market is so broken because people keep opening their wallets just to say they have the best shiny new card to play benchmarks, instead of going through their games backlog and enjoying games.Wtf is an "nvidia buyer". Im willing to pay 2x as much to have the fastest, I don't care if its nvidia or amd or intel or whatever. Stop, people spending lots of money dont care about brands, they just want the best. Nobody in their right mind cares which multibillion dollar company manafactures his gpu.
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Afaik it was only evga cards, and it was poor soldering on evgas part. They straight up admitted it themselves.Wasn't that the one game from Amazon, the MMO (New World, thanks google)? Because they didn't cap the performance of the Main Menu which is a rookie mistake?
I know it doesn't comfort the casualties but who trusts AMAZON to make a game properly anyway...
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Yes, Apple actually appears to have some focus on the customer, and they actually have a real supply of products at launch. At best, the comparison ends at stingy RAM, which can make a perfectly good device less usable in the future. Beyond that, I don’t see the parallel. Usually once someone says “sheep,” I stop reading, because it’s like arguing with someone that says “M$” or “ngreedia.” Their minds are made up, sadly based on old or incorrect data.Slimy tactics with the storage sure, but apple dislike when things aren't working on a hardware level (the bumpgate made them banish nvidia from the Mac, wich really hurt them for over a decade in the professional space.) And so far they've always fixed issues that became a real hindrance, like the butterfly keyboard, the antennagate etc...
Now Nvidia is in a different position where for a subset of their customers, there's no real 1:1 equivalent. You need top performance at 4K, the most popular GPGPU API ? There's only one brand that provide that right now.
I've said that before, but the company that manage to become a trillion dollar company by selling defectives products on the regular is a myth, small hindrance can get a pass, a fuck up once in while as well. But people never shut up about stuff that's actually getting in the way of using said product especially if it becomes reccurent. When you start to collect those kind of headlines your image takes a hit. The status symbol is credible because there's some truth to the premium aspect of the product. Ignore the issues for too long, and your credibility will be lost. Apple had to discontinue/ bend the knee and make changes when a product was actually so mediocre, the sales figures where actually not that good.
Nvidia hasn't released a product that had sooooo many contrersy about it for a long time, it's not as if every release was like that, and they've managed to climb to 90% marketshare regardless.
Yes, Apple is offering an entire ecosystem. Some love it, others find it so offensive that it becomes a crusade to prove people wrong. Those people don’t care—they are too busy getting on with life and not wrestling with picking the perfect set of hardware and buying it at the perfect price. If you have a lot of Apple products, then Apple has a lot to offer, with really well executed vertical integration. I get that some don’t like that tie-in, but I know lots of people who gladly make that trade for simplicity.no, not literally, they want to be and they are working for it.
But Apple doesn't have the best or fastest like Nvidia, so it's not really literally the same thing. The thing that makes Apple Apple is the design, detail, how it works. Nvidia is just brut forcing is way into being a Apple
No one will care about Nvidia if they don't have the fastest cards
What? Aesthetic reasons? Like, the hardware looks cool, or they care about image? I don’t know. I guess for some, but I can tell you that’s not been the reason I’ve purchased an Apple product. You’ll find vanity in all spaces, and I’m sure there are times in your life where you chose appearance over substance. It’s not always rational, and companies certainly leverage that. That’s why we’re 9 pages in, passionately arguing over 8 measly ROPs.People that are obsessed with Nvidia and Apple are because of aesthetic reasons. There have been plenty of times where ATI (or AMD) have had a faster products at a particular segment, or even a superior product at a given segment, but it really does not matter. Aesthetics bro.
x1800xt? x1900xt? Faster, better IQ - outsold 2 to 1
HD 4xxx series - insane bang for buck - outsold 2 to 1
HD 5xxx series - just overall better - outsold 2 to 1 or more
HD 6xxx series - even better - outsold 3 to 1
HD 7xxx series - even more better - outsold 2 to 1
and it goes on.
Even the beloved 9700pro was outsold or the numbers were a whole lot closer than they should have been.
PCB Design is fashionable, didn't you know- Clearly you influencer content hours/week ratio is too low!What? Aesthetic reasons? Like, the hardware looks cool, or they care about image? I don’t know. I guess for some, but I can tell you that’s not been the reason I’ve purchased an Apple product. You’ll find vanity in all spaces, and I’m sure there are times in your life where you chose appearance over substance. It’s not always rational, and companies certainly leverage that. That’s why we’re 9 pages in, passionately arguing over 8 measly ROPs.
Yeah I think it was New World, but IMO a game shouldn't be capable of bricking a GPU, no matter how crappy the game is.Wasn't that the one game from Amazon, the MMO (New World, thanks google)? Because they didn't cap the performance of the Main Menu which is a rookie mistake?
I know it doesn't comfort the casualties but who trusts AMAZON to make a game properly anyway...
No software should be capable of bricking any hardware no matter how crappy it isYeah I think it was New World, but IMO a game shouldn't be capable of bricking a GPU, no matter how crappy the game is.
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