Radeon RX 9070 XT Sample Reportedly Scores 7931 Points in FurMark 2, Close to RX 7900 XTX Performance

[oxrufiioxo]

I mean, we can all hope, but when was the last time AMD significantly undercut Nvidia on price/perf?

Probably 2008 for price to performance with the 4870 vs the GTX 280

 

[alwayssts]

I would love for them to hit this one out of the park they just almost never do.


I was only pointing out they general release slightly worse products at a discount and for some reason that 10% of the market thinks they are their lord and savior both companies suck @$$ for different reasons it's just comes down to which one suck less @$$ in a given generation at whatever price a consumer chooses to afford....

While it's nice for some that AMD gpu's tank in price it would be nice if they just got pricing right from the start for once I mean they did have 35-40% of the gpu market at one time when their head wasn't so far up their %#%$*.

Nope, not that often.

Just RV670. Just RV770. Just Barts. Just Pitcairn. Just Ellesmere. Just Polaris. Just Navi 10. Just pretty much all Navi 20 series. Just Navi 32.

I totally getcha. You're right, they do totally release very similar products to a lower cost segment than nVIDIA ever has up to that point, offering substantially better value. That is very accurate. I am not arguing.

You're just phrasing it wrong. Because I would phrase it as "all the god-damn time".

 

[Space Lynx]

so my 7900 xt with its heavy OC beats it in raster most likely. i still wish I had DLSS4 or FSR4, but eh, i can live without those features. might be best to give them a couple more years to blossom anyway and just enjoy my raster backlog

RASTER BACKLOG YEEEHAAA

 

[alwayssts]

so my 7900 xt with its heavy OC beats it in raster most likely. i still wish I had DLSS4 or FSR4, but eh, i can live without those features. might be best to give them a couple more years to blossom anyway and just enjoy my raster backlog

RASTER BACKLOG YEEEHAAA

I think that's where a lot of people are at, my bro, to differing degrees.

Like I said, if you have a 6800xt or better, and these aren't priced aggressively...I would wait. Heck, maybe even below that.

To raster backlogs.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Nope, not that often.

Just RV670. Just RV770. Just Barts. Just Pitcairn. Just Ellesmere. Just Polaris. Just Navi 10. Just pretty much all Navi 20 series. Just Navi 32.

I totally getcha. You're right, they do totally release very similar products to a lower cost segment than nVIDIA ever has up to that point. That is very accurate. I am not arguing.

You're just phrasing it wrong.

As well priced as some of those were on paper they still got smoked by the Nvidia competitor and were not good enough to dissuade people from buying the Nvidia alternative when I talk about getting pricing wrong this is what I mean.

Navi 10 got a price cut after they announced initial pricing and was still smoked by the 2070 super/2060 super it also was plagued by driver issues.

RDNA2/3000 I don't really consider a normal generation most cards sold for 2x-3x MSRP for the first 18 months but they had so much leftover stock it made RDNA3 looks worse than it would have otherwise.

Polaris was solid though but this is about the time AMD started hemorrhaging market share.

When I say priced correctly I mean it doesn't tank in price 1-2 months after release ofc.

 

[alwayssts]

I can't fix perception, only convey reality.


And, yeah, sure, bring up the ONLY generation I support from nVIDIA, which is the 2000 series. You have to remember that was a *really* big deal; that was the first gen of RTX/DLSS and cards were good.

Hmm....fair play.

 

[FierceRed]

And, yeah, sure, bring up the ONLY generation I support from nVIDIA, which is the 2000 series. You have to remember that was a *really* big deal; that was the first gen of RTX/DLSS.

Just curious, you don't support the 3000 series? The 3080 was amazing value and is near 1080ti levels of mythical status for me (I own both).

It isn't the chips fault that Cov19 screwed the entirely reasonable and widespread MSRP shortly after it launched.

Those who bought within 5 days of launch had a bargain they couldn't yet know for the next 4~ years. And any "buh 10GB vram" issues only came about in 1 game (TLoU) and were patched out within 1~2 months depending on which patch someone claims "fixed the issue".

 

[AnotherReader]

I mean, we can all hope, but when was the last time AMD significantly undercut Nvidia on price/perf?

The 5700XT was significantly cheaper than the RTX 2070, but I doubt AMD will do that again.

 

[Sir Beregond]

I got my popcorn ready for the 28th regardless.

I mean, we can all hope, but when was the last time AMD significantly undercut Nvidia on price/perf?

Oh trust me...I know. Hoping they mean what they say this time, but you know the old saying about AMD and opportunities (and missing them). I'd like to be pleasantly surprised for once.

Nope, not that often.

Just RV670. Just RV770. Just Barts. Just Pitcairn. Just Ellesmere. Just Polaris. Just Navi 10. Just pretty much all Navi 20 series. Just Navi 32.

I totally getcha. You're right, they do totally release very similar products to a lower cost segment than nVIDIA ever has up to that point, offering substantially better value. That is very accurate. I am not arguing.

You're just phrasing it wrong. Because I would phrase it as "all the god-damn time".

As an entire package the whole "Nvidia price -$50" aint it and the marketshare agrees. That doesn't provide "substantially better value" when considered as a whole package. And stupid pricing like $899 for a 7900 XT (10% discount from the 7900 XTX while being 20% worse) just goes to show. Then again, we're talking whole package here so what else? RT performance? Way worse at every segment so far. How about upscaling tech? FSR was pretty garbage when it first came out like DLSS 1 was. It's getting better but it aint there yet. Market currently sees DLSS as the winner, so as long as that's the mindshare / perception, then it is what it is. I'm hopeful for FSR4. One win for AMD on value at least is they aren't stingy with VRAM.

So yes, as an entire package since the RT era started, no, Nvidia price -$50 is not "substantially better value". Yes, we can all say individually how much we give a crap about RT or DLSS/FSR, but just speaking on the whole...the market has spoken and these things now matter and $50 discount aint enough to woo the market, so if AMD can't compete on RT, upscaling tech, then the other way they can do so, is price. Especially as Nvidia has padded their margins. AMD could be a disruptor here, but so far they have been content to just "slot in" to whatever Nvidia dictates the pricing should be. That hasn't been a winning strategy for AMD and it won't be again if they just try to slot into the current fake MSRPs.

 

[GhostRyder]

Every leak I see is all over the place for performance. At this point I am not sure what to believe...

If this is true, then it only matters what price its at. Here's hoping to under 700...

 

[mechtech]

man...............so much for that furmark epeen.............................

 

[RH92]

The people who aren't actually going to buy this card, expect a lot from it. Let's just put it that way.

If a product is compelling enough then people will buy it , so if people don't buy it's not compelling enough ... NVIDIA -50 won't sell let's put it that way .

 

[Jtuck9]

"But since there is no reference design, the RX 9070 launch will all be on AIB's shoulders"

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[sbacc]

I mean, we can all hope, but when was the last time AMD significantly undercut Nvidia on price/perf?

For MSRP, it was far too long ago, but for short time promotional pricing, at least in my country you can get much better deal with AMD...
Last year, for black friday deals, the cheapest 4070ti super was still close to 750usd (curency converted, without sale tax) while you could get a 7900xt for 570usd...

Now, if you live and die for RT and DLSS and don't care about VRAM, you will say this isn't undercutting..but at nearly 200usd price difference for the same raster performance I will say you need to be seriously biased toward Nvidia technology to say so...

 

[JustBenching]

I would love for them to hit this one out of the park they just almost never do.


I was only pointing out they general release slightly worse products at a discount and for some reason that 10% of the market thinks they are their lord and savior both companies suck @$$ for different reasons it's just comes down to which one suck less @$$ in a given generation at whatever price a consumer chooses to afford....

While it's nice for some that AMD gpu's tank in price it would be nice if they just got pricing right from the start for once I mean they did have 35-40% of the gpu market at one time when their head wasn't so far up their %#%$*.

Lots of people are attacking HUB for suggesting the 9070xt should be 550$ at most. Reasoning is, the 5070ti is crap so .....so I guess amd needs to release a card that's just as much crap? I don't even know what amd defenders are talking about.

 

[Jtuck9]

Lots of people are attacking HUB for suggesting the 9070xt should be 550$ at most. Reasoning is, the 5070ti is crap so .....so I guess amd needs to release a card that's just as much crap? I don't even know what amd defenders are talking about.

Surely the reasoning is if they want market share why not go for the jugular regarding pricing? Get more people vested in your ecosystem going forward. Turn a choice into a given. Subvert the whole "Nvidia minus $50" / price drops in a couple of months.

 

[JustBenching]

Surely the reasoning is if they want market share why not go for the jugular regarding pricing? Get more people vested in your ecosystem going forward. Turn a choice into a given. Subvert the whole "Nvidia minus $50" / price drops in a couple of months.

550$ isn't even the jugular. Since the 5070ti is basically a 5060 in disguise, 550$ for a 5060 competitor (if the 9070xt is competitive) is still a crapload of money. It should be ~350$ - maybe 400 because of inflation.

 

[Jtuck9]

550$ isn't even the jugular. Since the 5070ti is basically a 5060 in disguise, 550$ for a 5060 competitor (if the 9070xt is competitive) is still a crapload of money. It should be ~350$ - maybe 400 because of inflation.

True, but surely this is where you use Nvidia's strength (popularity / price hiking) against them at launch. How much are current prices? Factor in longer tails as well.

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I'm not sure how much wiggle room they have regarding price though, considering what has happened over the past few months. I'm also not sure that Nvidia has the same valuation of their cards as you do either (same for AMDs AIBs pricing I imagine). Nor people willing to spend $1000+

 

[JustBenching]

True, but surely this is where you use Nvidia's strength (popularity / price hiking) against them at launch. How much are current prices? Factor in longer tails as well.

The Logic of Risk Taking

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I'm not sure how much wiggle room they have regarding price though, considering what has happened over the past few months. I'm also not sure that Nvidia has the same valuation of their cards as you do either (same for AMDs AIBs pricing I imagine). Nor people willing to spend $1000+

I just don't see the point, if im going to spend over 700$ for an xx60 tier (which both the 5070ti and the 9070xt seem to be), I might as well go for the nvidia that offers the full software package. Saving 100$ on a product you are going to keep for 3 years minimum and lose all of the software makes no financial sense to me. I'd love to buy a sapphire nitro amd card but they are not making it easy for me with their pricing

 

[Jtuck9]

I just don't see the point, if im going to spend over 700$ for an xx60 tier (which both the 5070ti and the 9070xt seem to be), I might as well go for the nvidia that offers the full software package. Saving 100$ on a product you are going to keep for 3 years minimum and lose all of the software makes no financial sense to me. I'd love to buy a sapphire nitro amd card but they are not making it easy for me with their pricing

Yea, I truly expect the worst, although I am interested in their conference that has now had x amount of time in the oven. Turn that choice into a given! Get more people vested in your ecosystem

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[Melvis]

As predicted! but its all about that price!

 

[Vayra86]

Eh? Article says near XTX level. Which was (arguably) between 4080 and 4090 in raster.

A 7900XT is also near XTX level, so yeah. This article is a fine example of non news.

I mean let's face it you could have 3 black boxes with cards ranging from the 7800XT to the 4080 S and not be able to spot a difference in gameplay. If you enable RT, without an upscaler the performance of all cards is also similarly in the shitter. If you do enable an upscaler you'll identify what each box has inside because you can't select versions X or Y. But the game? Same stuff. You have to go pixel peeping to spot the differences.

We've completely stagnated and for all the right reasons imho. Computer graphics are done. We're just innovating for the sake of it at this point. Gotta move product. At the same time you see that the market for moving said product is also quite tired of the endless re-releases of hardware that really is going nowhere at all. We've seen it several times, the performance kinda plateaus; it happened before at/around the 1080/Vega performance level. Now it happens around the 7900XT/XTX performance level; and now the only way Nvidia can escape that reality is by making a 5090 that seems to have overstepped its bounds in every possible way.

Really the only reason you could be having an issue with this, is if you are living with the nagging feeling GPUs 'still aren't good enough' because you must be able to run RT. I can't imagine a bigger first world problem to be honest

 

[Jtuck9]

Really the only reason you could be having an issue with this, is if you are living with the nagging feeling GPUs 'still aren't good enough' because you must be able to run RT. I can't imagine a bigger first world problem to be honest

Isn't it already starting to be baked into the process? Hopefully that becomes more efficient over time, up to a point.

 

[theouto]

Amd, be as aggresive as you can to be with the pricing. Lose money, whatever money you may lose now you gain back in mindshare (I want a new gpu).

 

[KLMR]

I'm tired of performance bars sticking near 4% anything else in the market without a clear price tag.