AMD RDNA 4 and Radeon RX 9070 Series Unveiled: $549 & $599

[Fluffmeister]

At $600's does it come with all the ROPs!!?

That remains to be seen.

 

[Chrispy_]

After the reviews right? RIGHT?!?!?!!!!

It can't be bought before the reviews anyhow.

I wish this was true for the AAA games industry. Perhaps major publishers wouldn't turn out so much half-baked, poorly-conceived, overpriced garbage if they had to actually make it through an impartial review before the game went on sale.

Even then the system doesn't always work because AAA studios can afford the bribes:



Anyone giving Starfield a 10/10 at launch needs to be blacklisted. It was a mess at launch and possibly the most mediocre, bland, unexciting, and generic piece of disappointment from Bethesda in 20 years. After Skyrim and Fallout you have to wonder what happened to the talent that made those games because it sure as hell wasn't working for Todd Howard any more!

 

[medi01]

ROCm has no support for most consumer GPUs

Wrong. Well, not "for most", but:

System requirements (Linux) — ROCm installation (Linux)

System requirements for AMD ROCm

rocm.docs.amd.com

With some fiddling it does work on older models too. E.g. my 6800m.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Why are people so hung up on the pricing of the 9070.

"Does AMD not want the 9070 to sell?" No they don't. That is why it is priced badly. AMD didn't accidently price it badly on accident.

They do not want to take functional N48 Dies and artificially cut them down to sell a lower margin product. They do not want people waiting on 9070 stock to come in and then buying the 5070 because NV can outproduce AMD any day of the week. They don't want people waiting on 9070 to restock instead of just buying a 9070XT. They don't want people that might buy their high margin 150mm2 N44 $399 9060XT to "buy up" to their lower margin cut 9070 part.

It is not a failure on their part. Informed purchasers make up a very small part of the market. Most people will check the brand first, price second, and then buy what makes the most sense to them.

 

[igormp]

Wrong. Well, not "for most", but:

That's exactly why i said "most", but even for those the support is subpar.

With some fiddling it does work on older models too. E.g. my 6800m.

You can get most models to work, but that's not official.

 

[INSTG8R]

IMO the 9070 and it’s slight price difference is purely intentional ”Well for just another $50 and I can have the better card” theres nothing inherently wrong with it but it’s current purpose is to make the XT an easy upsell. I’m certain it will get a price cut that will more align with it’s value when it’s served its purpose.

 

[alwayssts]

I got it, by the way, I got it:

7800xt and 7900 GRE: nVIDIA feature parity editions*.

*Now with 10-15% higher price bc of that thing.

Just remember these cards when 128-bit cards launch on 3nm. Remember 5080 16GB (or a higher-end N48) when 18GB 192-bit cards launch. Remember 4090 when 256-bit cards launch.
What we expect of typical low-end pricing (~$300?), mid-range (~$450-550?), and higher-end ($750-1000?)

Ask yourself how quickly you want to be on that train, and what tier is acceptable to you long-term. The glaring bummer is 5080 16GB (which would be fine with 24GB), and really anything below 9070xt.

1080pRT/1440p up-scaled FSR/DLSS, 1080p->4k FSR/DLSS, 1440p->4k FSR/DLSS. Below that is really only okay long-term for 1080p raster, the middle preferred for 1440p(->4k) raster, the top 4k raster.

Whatever cards exist above that are for native 4kRT, but I honestly question what that is worth to people, as I think 'quality' 4k up-scaling is fine. 4k requires a shitload more perf, and perf/IQ trade isn't worth it imho.
Any of the other steps make sense, though.

9070xt is the bottom.
There is no mid (PS6), because the 5080 too little ram, n48 maybe too little raster. There are different cards for different uses (including 7900xtx), but nothing is *perfect*.
There is 4090 that will do the thing on the high-end.
That's all I'm sayin'. Think about that.
Long-term and how this will 'trickle down' as RT hits mainstream. I know many of you say you don't use FSR/DLSS, bc most things you play (right now are purely) raster, but YOU WILL...oh, you will.

 

[DaemonForce]

This is rough. I was expecting one card to be a loss leader or razor thin margin and the other is a snack to keep the enthusiast crowd.
One of these cards are likely DOA and the other comes out as the real winner. Flip a coin because I couldn't tell you which one either.

 

[ModEl4]

Very good presentation, all the guys in the stream were serious and measured (unlike CES Jack Huynh which gave netorare vibes in the Dell segment)

 

[Shtb]

Someone: i want 9070XT for 549 usd.
7900GRE: 650 usd MSRP.

Hence, AMD chose the most balanced price of 599 usd - neither you nor us, exactly in the middle, right?

AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE Re-Review: You Can Buy the Golden Rabbit Now

This is not the first time we're testing AMD's Radeon RX 7900 GRE (Golden Rabbit). That actually happened 6 months ago, but this is the first time...

www.techspot.com

Assuming the performance is close enough to expected when reviewed, I will also be buying the 9070 XT on release (if I can get one), on pricing I'll be happy to pay $650 for it.

You can buy components somewhere without VAT? Or do you have 8,(3)% VAT?

 

[tfdsaf]

For $600 it doesn't have that wow factor and I think at $550 it would have been a screamer, it would be an instant buy from everyone, but FSR4 is clearly shaping up to be a major upgrade to FSR3 and according to some of the leaks its actually competing with DLSS4 and outperforms DLSS 3.5. If that is true, then Nvidia's so called advantage there is gone, I don't use upscaling, I'm not inclined to use it even now, but for those that do care and do use it, then if AMD are close to or on par with DLSS4 then there is no reason to buy Nvidia for that!

We know that RT is improved significantly and remember most of the RT games are optimized specifically for Nvidia, Cyberpunk 2077 is essentially a Nvidia tech demo! So RT optimized for all GPU's would likely put the 9000 series on par with Nvidia's latest 5000 series in terms of RT performance! So that is a big win for AMD, even if RT ends up being 10% slower on the 9000 series, it is still 23% cheaper from the $750 MSRP of the 5070ti and over 45% cheaper than the actual $950 prices.

So FSR4 being close to or equal to DLSS4, very close, equal or even faster than Nvidia in RT, impressive new media engine with quality improvements to streaming, decoding and encoding, same power consumption to their competition and even lower in the case of the 5070 vanilla, all that for $150 less than MSRP 5070ti is a huge deal and remember in reality $350-400 cheaper than most 5070ti right now!

 

[DaemonForce]

So FSR4 being close to or equal to DLSS4, very close, equal or even faster than Nvidia in RT, impressive new media engine with quality improvements to streaming, decoding and encoding, same power consumption to their competition and even lower in the case of the 5070 vanilla, all that for $150 less than MSRP 5070ti is a huge deal and remember in reality $350-400 cheaper than most 5070ti right now!

Finally someone comments on this part. We won't see a stat over AMF for a few weeks but I expect great uplift to be a sell point.
If it delivers solid 1080p60 H.264 at unreasonably low 6K bitrates I won't need an Intel/nvidia card in the rack, just a capture card.
Does it screw with load balancing plans and offloading jobs to a separate computer? Yes. Is this a better problem to have? No idea.

 

[Shtb]

Not simply outsold, outsold 4 to 1.

Because lots of buyers are rater clueless.

I think the reason is much more down-to-earth (even if most people know a thing or two when they come to buy a PC, the salespeople will ‘treat’ them the way they want to be treated) -
the sellers of off-the-shelf PCs have tonnes of them on.... guess what components?
Plus a senior sales manager, who is always pushing salespeople to sell Intel+Nvidia bundles because of bonuses, and warehouses, as i said, are full of this hardware.
And yea, you're right, probably the overwhelming majority of those, who come to a ready-made PC shop for a PC have never read a single article about hardware in their entire lives -
but i still don't think, that's the main reason.

 

[Hilux SSRG]

I was a bit curious what my Powercolor 7800XT Hellhound can do with the game internal benchmarks of avatar / pandora.

Note: This is a gaming only windows 11 pro 24h2 installation with an offline user, nearly no settings. My main OS is my gentoo installation from 1996. I do install the windows update packages and amd gpu driver packages and windows software packages 90% from computerbase.de/downloads.

I deleted the amd gpu driver avatar setting, i set it to default. I set everything I could to default. I set the game settings to ultra.

I hardly run benchmarks. Maybe I made an error.

I think my Monitor ASUS PA278QV somehow limit the results to max 75 FPS. Freesync range is around, afaik, 38-75FPS. I usually played around 45 fps.

Internal benchmark / WHQD / monitor seems to limit to 75 fps / I saw after the reboot on the next screen this is with "upscaling".
It seems the game itself refuse to let me set it to higher fps values.
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after reboot i checked again - monitor hard limit at 75 fps / whqd.

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i disabled frame generation to OFF and run again the internal benchmark

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Low end hardware

Monitor: ASUS pa278qv whqd 75 fps / freesync / factory calibrated delta e smaller 1
Mainboard: ASUS Prime X670-P + myself added wifi module in the vertial slot
Graphic card: Powercolor 7800XT hellhound 16GB
Processor: ryzen 7600X
dram: 2x 32GiB hynix-a die - slightly tuned @ 6000mt/s
PSU: Enermax revolution D.F. 750W
hdd: KC3000 2tB -> mostly w11 pro 24h2 / 300GB gnu gentoo linux.
everything on the kc3000 2tb c:

-- paused windows updates / I only apply the windows update package usually once a month.

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amd gpu driver from computerbase.de/downloads

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I set everything to default - which i usually do not do before running these benchmarks today

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-- default very bad idea - I deleted teh pandora game profile - i will not play this anymore - i finished that game 2-3 weeks ago. two game profiles left for frostpunk and the long dark. global tuning set the button to default.

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Note: Graphic cards are usually not tested on low end mainboards with entry level processors. ryzen 7600x should be 9800x3d. Dram could be much faster.

Your post was nonsensical and not relevant to the topic, why did you post this?

 

[AusWolf]

So another 7800 XT / 7700 XT pair. A good card at a good price, and an uninteresting one.

No worries, I'll defo get a 9070 XT now.

 

[medi01]

They do not want people waiting on 9070 stock to come in and then buying the 5070 because NV can outproduce AMD

Many 3000 owners look for upgrades due to ridiculous VRAM configs (AMD's 6000 trounced entire lineup).

People buying 12GB card for $500+ in 2025 deserve it.

PS
It is curious how TSMC capacity booking really works and how quickly one could react.
Of course it would depend on the node.

I think the reason is much more down-to-earth (even if most people know a thing or two when they come to buy a PC, the salespeople will ‘treat’ them the way they want to be treated) -
the sellers of off-the-shelf PCs have tonnes of them on.... guess what components?
Plus a senior sales manager, who is always pushing salespeople to sell Intel+Nvidia bundles because of bonuses, and warehouses, as i said, are full of this hardware.
And yea, you're right, probably the overwhelming majority of those, who come to a ready-made PC shop for a PC have never read a single article about hardware in their entire lives -
but i still don't think, that's the main reason.

Tell me other "non main reason" why full tier sower (slower even at RT) power hungry and more expensive 3050 outsold 6600 four to one please.

Specifically, try to make it "because better product". That was the point I was responding to.

Reality is: Huang can shovel anything down the throat of, cough, let me call it "the market", no matter what.

And that is why "buh market share, so the product must be better" argument is at best dumb, at worst dishonest.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

I see a lot of rejoicing, yes, such are the times.

However, what makes everyone think that the scalping AIBs and actual scalpers will let these GPUs be purchased at this mythical thing called "MSRP?" AMD will have no FE cards.

Looked on the shelves, or online stores? There is a "shortage" expect these to sell out quickly and only a few will snag them for the actual MSRP.

Our online retailers adjusted prices within the hour of the launch to astronomical heights when it came to the 5000 series.

I fear a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

I hope I am wrong though.

 

[10tothemin9volts]

[..] and see even more videos about how fantastic, amazing, wonderful DLSS 4 is from people like Tim.

Did you see Tim's [Hardware Unboxed] "AMD MUST Fix FSR Upscaling - DLSS vs FSR" image quality comparison video(s)? In most cases DLSS simply wins by a big margin and FSR ties at best. Rumor is that with RDNA4 AMD has finally AI based upscaling similar in quality to >=DLSS2. Waiting for reviews. Tim is much less enthusiastic about (multi) frame generation tho, because the base FPS needs to be high enough (otherwise there a high input lag) and at that point frame generation is not needed.

This series of cards from AMD seems to have almost everything. [..] no burn connectors.

Still only HDMI 2.0 support on Linux, no real HDMI 2.1 (=48GB/s), aka HDMI 2.1a. Must be fixed before I consider any Radeon GPU. I'm ok with AMD using binary blobs to achieve this.

No burn connections is nice indeed.

 

[AusWolf]

I see a lot of rejoicing, yes, such are the times.

However, what makes everyone think that the scalping AIBs and actual scalpers will let these GPUs be purchased at this mythical thing called "MSRP?" AMD will have no FE cards.

Looked on the shelves, or online stores? There is a "shortage" expect these to sell out quickly and only a few will snag them for the actual MSRP.

Our online retailers adjusted prices within the hour of the launch to astronomical heights when it came to the 5000 series.

I fear a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

I hope I am wrong though.

Nvidia 50 cards can be pre-ordered from various UK retailers within 10-20% above MSRP. It's not good, but not as bad as I see with US shops. Scalping must be an American thing.

Besides, rumor says that AMD has been stocking up on 9070 series cards since January, so with a bit of luck, it'll all be fine. If not immediately, then within a month or so, definitely.

 

[newsunrise0130]

I don't understand why so many people in the PC space think NVIDIA features are worth as much as a 200$ tax. I say 200$ because many people aren't happy that the XT isn't 549$ instead.

I bought an RX 6800 a couple of years ago after contemplating a 4070. I wasn't convinced that I should spend 200$ more for DLSS and ray-tracing. Instead, I bought a card with the same raster performance at 60% of the cost (with more VRAM). NVIDIA has failed to convince me again. I can't justify a 5070 Ti when a 9070 XT exists.

Now that RDNA 4 will compete a lot better against DLSS and ray-tracing, does it make any sense to pay a premium for NVIDIA's features? AMD also claimed to have improved their AI and creator tools, so at what point is NVIDIA no longer worth their tax? I never bought into it, but a lot of people seem genuinely hooked on something like DLSS.

 

[Super XP]

$599 for the XT is amazing (provided there are models sold at this MSRP). $549 for the non-XT, though? Why even bother?

Its to get you to buy the XT version, that is why. The non-XT should have cost $499 at the very least.

 

[AusWolf]

Its to get you to buy the XT version, that is why. The non-XT should have cost $499 at the very least.

I agree. Back then, I had no idea why anyone would have got a 7700 XT instead of a 7800 XT, and now I have no idea why anyone would get a 9070 instead of a 9070 XT. At a less than 10% price difference, I'd get the top dog without a question.

 

[Super XP]

For $600 it doesn't have that wow factor and I think at $550 it would have been a screamer, it would be an instant buy from everyone, but FSR4 is clearly shaping up to be a major upgrade to FSR3 and according to some of the leaks its actually competing with DLSS4 and outperforms DLSS 3.5. If that is true, then Nvidia's so called advantage there is gone, I don't use upscaling, I'm not inclined to use it even now, but for those that do care and do use it, then if AMD are close to or on par with DLSS4 then there is no reason to buy Nvidia for that!

We know that RT is improved significantly and remember most of the RT games are optimized specifically for Nvidia, Cyberpunk 2077 is essentially a Nvidia tech demo! So RT optimized for all GPU's would likely put the 9000 series on par with Nvidia's latest 5000 series in terms of RT performance! So that is a big win for AMD, even if RT ends up being 10% slower on the 9000 series, it is still 23% cheaper from the $750 MSRP of the 5070ti and over 45% cheaper than the actual $950 prices.

So FSR4 being close to or equal to DLSS4, very close, equal or even faster than Nvidia in RT, impressive new media engine with quality improvements to streaming, decoding and encoding, same power consumption to their competition and even lower in the case of the 5070 vanilla, all that for $150 less than MSRP 5070ti is a huge deal and remember in reality $350-400 cheaper than most 5070ti right now!

Couldn't agree more. Lets just hope retail outlets don't overprice above MSRP because I remember looking at Amazon and Canada Computers, and the entire RDNA3 lineup was $200-$300+ above MSRP, which makes no sense. If the 9070's are well above the MSRP for the base models, people are not going to be happy & the blame goes to the retail outlets.

I agree. Back then, I had no idea why anyone would have got a 7700 XT instead of a 7800 XT, and now I have no idea why anyone would get a 9070 instead of a 9070 XT. At a less than 10% price difference, I'd get the top dog without a question.

Oh that's right. I forgot about the 7700 XT & 7800 XT shenanigans by AMD. It made no sense to buy the 7700 XT Lol

 

[john_]

Anyone giving Starfield a 10/10 at launch needs to be blacklisted.

How about those giving 10/10 for CP 2077 at launch?

Still only HDMI 2.0 support on Linux, no real HDMI 2.1 (=48GB/s), aka HDMI 2.1a. Must be fixed before I consider any Radeon GPU. I'm ok with AMD using binary blobs to achieve this.

No burn connections is nice indeed.

Had absolutely no idea that there is such restriction under Linux.

IMO the 9070 and it’s slight price difference is purely intentional

Nvidia did it first because it could (4080 vs 4090). AMD thought they could do it also (7900XT vs 7900XTX) I think it failed. Or maybe it didn't, that's why they did it again (7700XT vs 7800XT) and they are doing it again now.

The average consumer can't differentiate between models. While we understand the difference between XT and non XT, the average consumer in front of various model names, wouldn't notice that XT. I mean, can someone without knowledge understand that RX 9070 XT White Flame, for example, is better than RX 9070 Ultra Duper Super Amazing Immortal edition, that is also sold in a bigger more colorfull cardboard box? I think not and the fact that both cards come with 16GB of VRAM and both cards are called 9070 will make them look equal to the eyes of most people lacking tech knowledge.

The non-XT should have cost $499 at the very least.

We could be facing another situation where XT was coming with a price tag of $649 and non XT with a price tag of $549. Those $100 difference could be driving us to the non XT version.
Personally I prefer $599 and $549 than $649 and $549.

 

[AusWolf]

Had absolutely no idea that there is such restriction under Linux.

First time I've heard about it myself. Is it even true?

We could be facing another situation where XT was coming with a price tag of $649 and non XT with a price tag of $549. Those $100 difference could be driving us to the non XT version.
Personally I prefer $599 and $549 than $649 and $549.

Why not $599 and $499? The non-XT is supposed to replace the 7800 XT after all.