Windows 11 General Discussion

[ShrimpBrime]

Nah, RTM is RTM in 11s case. MS no longer uses SP nomenclature and it wouldn’t make sense anyway - 10 and 11 are rolling release operating systems with major milestone point releases once a year. Or, you know, sometimes NOT since 22H2 stuck around for two years (23H2 was just a regular enablement KB for a couple new features and the core OS didn’t change).

Nah, I know. I was originally referring to Vista. Threw W11 in there to keep on topic. But Lex digressed in a hurry once he learned something new for whatever reason.

Yes, windows 11 21H2 hung around a couple years. This was a major update.

22h2 was a feature update. 23h2 was a feature update.

24h2 is another major update.
It's the most updated Operating system ever!! (Sarcasm here)

I think he's confusing service pack and Service Pack Level (SPL) in Microsoft terminology. It's almost splitting hairs really, kind of like what on earth microsoft considers the "boot" or "system" partition. Easy to get confused because so similar.

No. I'm not confused.
AI generated response.

Windows Vista Service Pack 0 (SP0) was an early version of Windows Vista that contained a vulnerability that could be exploited by remote attackers. Microsoft released a Service Pack 1 (SP1) that fixed this vulnerability.

 

[Epaminombas]

I have seen many people having problems with Windows 10/11 and I have already helped them. I will give a summary of what is needed to avoid sabotaging your own windows.
Stop using modified pirated ISOs, this has caused a lot of strange problems and bugs. And they are available to spy on you. You guys talk so much about privacy and security and keep downloading ISOs modified by random people on the internet
Windows 11 doesn't spy on you, it doesn't collect your personal data.
Only the Edge browser knows the websites you visit and your personal tastes, just like Google Chrome or Firefox or Safari.
Your ISP knows more about you than Microsoft or Google or Apple.

If you want a Windows that uses less RAM and has fewer processes, install the HOME version. The Professional version is intended for companies and people who want to use Hype V only.
Don't update over the top. If you are on version 22H2 and want to go to 24H2, do not update over the top. Download the ISO, put it on the pendrive and do the complete formatting.

Download Windows 11

Now about installation
-BIOS has to be updated before installing Windows 11
-SSD firmware must be updated before installing Windows 11
After BIOS update, you need to enable these options in BIOS;
- UEFI
- SecureBoot User Mode
- TPM
- Virtualization
- Resizable bar

When formatting, you need to delete all partitions from the SSD that will install Windows 11. There are security partitions from the old installation that need to be deleted. There are people who don't delete it and cause bugs.

Let Windows Update install all available updates before you install your stuff. It will restart 3 or 4 times until everything is finished.
Let Windows Update download the drivers and then go to the manufacturer's website and install the missing driver.
Windows Update only brings certified and qualified WHQL drivers, these drivers did not cause any problems.

Stop modifying your Windows with random programs on the internet, this completely ruins the system and then you look like an i$iot blaming Microsoft.

 

[londiste]

Stop modifying your Windows with random programs on the internet, this completely ruins the system and then you look like an i$iot blaming Microsoft.

A lot of the cases I have seen is this. Yes, it is fine to uninstall things MS has decided to not let you uninstall nicely, to modify system files and/or replace major elements - Start Menu and taskbar modifications as a common example - but when doing that you need to be aware that this is not necessarily a tested configuration and is somewhat likely to introduce additional issues into your system. Whether they are minor or major is another question entirely and depends on what you have done.

 

[Epaminombas]

A lot of the cases I have seen is this. Yes, it is fine to uninstall things MS has decided to not let you uninstall nicely, to modify system files and/or replace major elements - Start Menu and taskbar modifications as a common example - but when doing that you need to be aware that this is not necessarily a tested configuration and is somewhat likely to introduce additional issues into your system. Whether they are minor or major is another question entirely and depends on what you have done.

90% of the cases of problematic PCs that I receive to fix have these programs. Then I need to format it, start from 0 and teach the person not to use it.

Third-party AV also cause many problems.
Microsoft Defender today is the best AV for Windows 11.

I don't know if these people buy an Android or iPhone cell phone and keep modifying the system until it fails. Try modifying your iPhone and Android and see how horrible it will be to use.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Yeah, the modded ISOs certainly could be cause for concern, IMO. It’s one thing to copy/paste command lines, but to download an app to do it certainly introduces an unknown. Even if the original program is legitimate, there is always potential for someone to modify it to do something malicious and host it somewhere else. Downloading programs is a minefield as it is, where there are often multiple prompts to download on the page, and only one downloads what you want, while the others download crapware or adware.

Honest question, would the security and scanning tools built into W11 catch nefarious tools dropped in by OS modder apps, or would the main issues be messing with the core so much that the OS starts tripping over itself?

 

[Octopuss]

Microsoft Defender today is the best AV for Windows 11.

I don't think so.
But it certainly is useable, unlike during Windows 7 times .

 

[Epaminombas]

Yeah, the modded ISOs certainly could be cause for concern, IMO. It’s one thing to copy/paste command lines, but to download an app to do it certainly introduces an unknown. Even if the original program is legitimate, there is always potential for someone to modify it to do something malicious and host it somewhere else. Downloading programs is a minefield as it is, where there are often multiple prompts to download on the page, and only one downloads what you want, while the others download crapware or adware.

Honest question, would the security and scanning tools built into W11 catch nefarious tools dropped in by OS modder apps, or would the main issues be messing with the core so much that the OS starts tripping over itself?

Yes, Windows Defender 100% up to date and Windows Update 100% done PREVENTS these programs from modifying Windows.

But these people who install this disable Defender and all security features before installing these modifiers.

Defender's efficiency tests on YouTube are carried out as follows. They first disable Defender completely, then install some junk programs and want Defender to eliminate infections after they have been installed.
But Defender's main tool is to prevent junk from being installed on Windows 11.

These Windows 11 Defender features are essential;
- Protection provided in the Cloud
- Real-time Protection
- Tamper Protection
- Defend Firewall
- Reputation-Based Protection
- SmartScreen
- Exploit Protection
- Core Isolation
- TPM



But people turn ALL OF THIS off.
And in addition, they block the IP and DNS of Microsoft services.

Your Windows is completely blind and cannot see Microsoft servers to carry out any type of maintenance and security.

I wanted to know if these people block Google on their Android and if they block Apple's servers on their iPhone and iMac.

Imagine installing Ubuntu on your PC and blocking all Ubuntu servers.

What goes on in people's heads?

 

[R-T-B]

AI generated response.

Useless really without the sources. It sounds like its just restating what the RTM SPL is.

 

[Epaminombas]

Useless really without the sources. It sounds like its just restating what the RTM SPL is.

What's new in Windows 11, version 24H2 for IT pros

Learn more about what's new in Windows 11 version 24H2, including servicing updates, Windows Subsystem for Linux, the latest CSPs, and more.

learn.microsoft.com

Microsoft is introducing checkpoint cumulative updates, a new servicing model that enables devices running Windows 11, version 24H2 or later to save time, bandwidth and hard drive space when getting features and security enhancements via the latest cumulative update. Previously, the cumulative updates contained all changes to the binaries since the last release to manufacturing (RTM) version. The size of the cumulative updates could grow large over time since RTM was used as the baseline for each update.

With checkpoint cumulative updates, the update file level differentials are based on a previous cumulative update instead of the RTM release. Cumulative updates that serve as a checkpoint will be released periodically. Using a checkpoint rather than RTM means the subsequent update packages are smaller, which makes downloads and installations faster. Using a checkpoint also means that in order for a device to install the latest cumulative update, the installation of a prerequisite cumulative update might be required. For more information about checkpoint cumulative updates

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Useless really without the sources. It sounds like its just restating what the RTM SPL is.

Sigh as a mother Fkr

Build 9200 reference this old screen shot. Right from the OS it's self. W7 also had SP0, which is the release of the operating system, not to be confused with RC.

 

[Onasi]

@ShrimpBrime
Brother, that’s a well known WRONG error message caused by some software incorrectly interacting with Windows Compatibility features. Build 9200 literally cannot be Vista SP0 because 9200 is the fucking RTM for Windows 8. There is no such thing as SP0. Never was.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

@ShrimpBrime
Brother, that’s a well known WRONG error message caused by some software incorrectly interacting with Windows Compatibility features. Build 9200 literally cannot be Vista SP0 because 9200 is the fucking RTM for Windows 8. There is no such thing as SP0. Never was.

OK.

 

[RUSerious]

Stop modifying your Windows with random programs on the internet, this completely ruins the system and then you look like an i$iot blaming Microsoft.

No you. Honestly. I have one program modifying some of Win11 UI problems (because MS removed the option to use them). But, clearly, this is the cause of all the problems with Win11 24H2. Sure bud.

 

[windwhirl]

No you. Honestly. I have one program modifying some of Win11 UI problems (because MS removed the option to use them). But, clearly, this is the cause of all the problems with Win11 24H2. Sure bud.

I run a mostly stock Windows Insider build system since 2015, with just a few changes (mainly NTFS long paths and no driver updates through Windows Update). 99.99% of the time runs smoothly aside from bugs explicitly detailed in the build notes, which are originated in the code changes done by Microsoft. So, there's something to be said about not touching stuff you don't know what it does.

Besides, 0.1% of users having a problem means over a million people have a problem. Of course there's gonna be noise even if the problem is really rare.