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One generation of GPUs being made on the same process didnt bring drastic improvements and you're predicting the end times for GPU excitement? LOL.

Everyone said the same thing with turing. Then we got ampere.
Process improvements have dramatically slown down.

While on power envelope side, we are in 300-400w area for mid range (!!!) cards.

Updates will become even less frequent and smaller.
 
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If AMD releases a COMPETITIVE flagship, it will sell.
Needs citation, this forum in no way represents the real world sales numbers out there!

This could change some of the numbers at the top end but by & large until their marketshare mindshare collapses they'll keep pricing their products like Apple!
 
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Is this the one that will be my next consumer graphics card?
By looking for the green team with rtx 5070 ti at 1100€ and the rtx 5080 at 1600€ minimum, I guess the right price should be under 800€, considering the rx 7900 xt/xtx.
 
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What midrange? This is the best they can do, there will be no stronger cards in this generation. This is their top, doesnt matter how they marketing it.
It's a midrange card because it's $600. That's what midrange cards cost nowadays, so your post makes zero sense.
 

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that seems normal I think. using the experimental hip support shaves off like 20%, still not competitive
Thanks for answering.

The blender situation is just absurd is I extrapolated values correctly it should be 15% slower than a 3060ti at this workload.
 
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I'm also confused by the headline "beating Nvidia", like, in exactly 1 area, offering 20% better price to raster perf? Didn't AMD do the same with 7800XT vs 4070, 6800 vs 3080, 5700XT vs 2070.

Overall 5070Ti is still a superior product with higher efficiency and better features, selling for higher price make sense. If both are at MSRP it's even split between 9070XT vs 5070Ti.

It's pretty funny seeing the same headline "beating Nvidia" across multiple review outlets too LMAO, hardware reviewers are becoming a collective against Nvidia :roll:
Even split??? IMHO... Maybe??? It comes down to pricing.

It looks like that my previous comments are coming true. The XT @ $600.00 ($599.99) then this is a overall win for AMD. But again this comes down to price.

The Non XT @549.00 is priced to upsale people (which is a mistake) to purchase the 9070XT version. The 9070 will sell @ the $499 mark. @ the $550 the 9070 is pretty much boned.

But all of this could change if:

1. AMD partners start selling their product above the 600 mark.
And/or...
2. Nvidia decides to drop the hammer on AMD (which I think is going to happen) and drop the pricing on their 5070ti and non ti.

Both Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed pretty much validates my comments.


 
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Gen on Gen improvement numbers........

RTX 5070 (Average FPS) @4k is 25% faster than RTX 4070 and RT @4k is about 16% faster than RTX 4070 so combined result is about + ~20.5%
RX 9070 XT (Average FPS) @4k is 46% faster than RX 7800 XT and RT @4k is about 85% faster than RX 7800 XT so combined result is about + ~65.5%
 
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Gen on Gen improvement numbers........

RTX 5070 (Average FPS) @4k is 25% faster than RTX 4070 and RT @4k is about 16% faster than RTX 4070 so combined result is about + ~20.5%
RX 9070 XT (Average FPS) @4k is 46% faster than RX 7800 XT and RT @4k is about 85% faster than RX 7800 XT so combined result is about + ~65.5%
Which review data set is this from? W1zzard's?
 
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RTX 5070 (Average FPS) @4k is 25% faster than RTX 4070 and RT @4k is about 16% faster than RTX 4070 so combined result is about + ~20.5%
RX 9070 XT (Average FPS) @4k is 46% faster than RX 7800 XT and RT @4k is about 85% faster than RX 7800 XT so combined result is about + ~65.5%

Pretty impressive numbers in these times. Imagine if they scaled even close to linearly with the architecture for a big die part to replace 7900XTX - 46% faster than a 7900XTX would put it between the 4090 and 5090. If it sold for $1000, it would be a killer.
 
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The Non XT @549.00 is priced to upsale people (which is a mistake) to purchase the 9070XT version. The 9070 will sell @ the $499 mark. @ the $550 the 9070 is pretty much boned.
They keep doing it. But I was wondering if they are doing it because they are getting many.... fully working chips by TSMC, so making more 9070 cards with probably artificially cut down chips, chips that are good to be used as fully working GPUs for the 9070XT model, wasn't making much sense to them. Of course in that case they could price the 9070XT at $550, but then we would be asking for a cheaper model at $450-$500.

In any case this is AMD. If the price doesn't skyrocket and it probably would, just not as much as Nvidia cards, we might start seeing in a month of two both 9070s and 9070XTs getting small discounts.

Pretty impressive numbers in these times. Imagine if it scaled and they did a big die part to replace 7900XTX - 46% faster than a 7900XTX would put it between the 4090 and 5090. If it sold for $1000, it would be a killer.
No, it wouldn't sell. Games that are in fact Nvidia tech demos, when enabling heavy RayTracing/Path tracing, will be making these cards look bad for someone who is about to spend $1500-$2000. Not to mention that DLSS is worshiped like godsend from tech reviewers. So, no, an AMD high end card will NOT sell, unfortunately . That's what happened with RX 7900XTX/XT that where lacking in RT performance and that's why AMD didn't produced a high end card with this series. And I am afraid that if people turn their backs to the 9070 series, the high end market will remain an exclusivity to Nvidia for the next 5-10 years, at least.
 
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I don't think it was overhyped; on the contrary, many leaks and AMD's own projections led many to conclude that it wouldn't be faster than the 7900 XT. AMD's own claims were rather conservative for a while.

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Not by AMD, but by the tech circles and the fanbase. Expectations were certainly running high. People were calling this the Nvidia killer, and even the review is titled "beating NVIDIA"... except that on practice, looks like it is unable to conclusively beat 2022's RTX 4080, averaging -5% in raster and -20% in RT as per this very review (of what is arguably the most advanced model of 9070 XT we'll receive). These -5% seem to be after the games which are outliers, there were great gains in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT off, and the historically AMD friendly games seem to continue that trend (such as Call of Duty).

I do think it's a solid product with a far larger list of things to like than to dislike, but anyone calling this an Nvidia killer definitely hit their head somewhere. If the market situation wasn't so crazy, with the 50 series launch being completely botched, without any stock whatsoever, preorders from January going unfulfilled, 10+ week lead times, scalped prices on any few units that do show up for sale, and lukewarm progress by the competition (5090 aside, the 50 series barely even moves the needle in the overall level of performance made available stackwide), and if Navi 31 itself scaled better than it does, this card wouldn't look even half as good as it does.

Needs citation, this forum in no way represents the real world sales numbers out there!

This could change some of the numbers at the top end but by & large until their marketshare mindshare collapses they'll keep pricing their products like Apple!

Personally open to buying big UDNA once that's made available, this generation proves that AMD's still got it. Hopefully the suits will beat it and let their engineers work. Suits are what ruin AMD.
 
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Where'd the Dual BIOS go?
I can only assume AMD asked AIBs to remove the feature or Sapphire determined it unnecessary, late into production (since, the PCB is marked out for it, and the Nitro is their Halo SKU)
 
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They keep doing it. But I was wondering if they are doing it because they are getting many.... fully working chips by TSMC, so making more 9070 cards with probably artificially cut down chips, chips that are good to be used as fully working GPUs for the 9070XT model, wasn't making much sense to them. Of course in that case they could price the 9070XT at $550, but then we would be asking for a cheaper model at $450-$500.
They could use cut down XT chips. But I think they couls also use as many of the defective chips on a silicon wafer.
 
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They keep doing it. But I was wondering if they are doing it because they are getting many.... fully working chips by TSMC, so making more 9070 cards with probably artificially cut down chips, chips that are good to be used as fully working GPUs for the 9070XT model, wasn't making much sense to them. Of course in that case they could price the 9070XT at $550, but then we would be asking for a cheaper model at $450-$500.

In any case this is AMD. If the price doesn't skyrocket and it probably would, just not as much as Nvidia cards, we might start seeing in a month of two both 9070s and 9070XTs getting small discounts.

I'm waiting on someone trying to flash the bios, no lie. I see *someone* is still hiding them.

There's also this small fact that if you volt-mod it or fool the PL since it has the same bw and 9070xt is bw-limited by about 17.5% or so (at stock)...it all makes sense.

Getting all the shaders of 9070 vanilla to clock high would actually match up really well with the ram. I feel like they are expecting people to do this somehow. How, I don't know...yet. :p

Just a theory; A GPU THEORY.

Not by AMD, but by the tech circles and the fanbase. Expectations were certainly running high. People were calling this the Nvidia killer, and even the review is titled "beating NVIDIA"... except that on practice, looks like it is unable to conclusively beat 2022's RTX 4080, averaging -5% in raster and -20% in RT as per this very review (of what is arguably the most advanced model of 9070 XT we'll receive). These -5% seem to be after the games which are outliers, there were great gains in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT off, and the historically AMD friendly games seem to continue that trend (such as Call of Duty).

I do think it's a solid product with a far larger list of things to like than to dislike, but anyone calling this an Nvidia killer definitely hit their head somewhere. If the market situation wasn't so crazy, with the 50 series launch being completely botched, without any stock whatsoever, preorders from January going unfulfilled, 10+ week lead times, scalped prices on any few units that do show up for sale, and lukewarm progress by the competition (5090 aside, the 50 series barely even moves the needle in the overall level of performance made available stackwide), and if Navi 31 itself scaled better than it does, this card wouldn't look even half as good as it does.

Show me this in W1zard's review. Not averages, because that's why people think 5070 is a 4k card, and that makes me sad. Because, I dunno...It's wrong? Guy, look at the literal minimums; what counts.
Where is this true? BMW is literally a RT game, limited by RT, and they are almost identical.

This is a straight up nVIDIA killer. Show me how it is not, and I will show you how you are wrong. En garde. It literally the same power efficiency (granted overclocked vs stock) as a 5070, better than stock 5080.

It beats stock 5080 is many circumstances, and the OC can be seen as an avg; at-worst ties 5070ti in most others; neither of those cards will give you better resolution experience, and they cost a metric ton more.

:kookoo:

You're right, if it wasn't for the fact LITERALLY EVERYTHING NVIDIA DOES ON PURPOSE DIDN'T HAPPEN, nvidia would look okay. That is what you're saying. Read what you wrote, it's apologist AF.
 
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Guy, look at the literal minimums; what counts.

Minimum FPS figures are below 4080 in all three resolutions tested:


BMW is literally a RT game, limited by RT, and they are almost identical.

It loses to the RTX 4080 in all three resolutions tested in Wukong:


It beats 5080 is many circumstances

Try beating its predecessor first.



It is roughly = to 5070 Ti, still would place second if both are pitted against each other



Price makes or breaks this product, regardless of my personal feelings on it (which are unusually positive!), and if one has a choice to buy this Sapphire Nitro at its suggested $730 or a MSRP 5070 Ti at $750, their choice would be situational at best, depending on the game they choose to play and if AMD's pitfalls (which while much lessened, still seem to exist) don't get in their way.
 
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LOOK AT THE GAMES DUDE. THE ACTUAL GAMES. Not the average.

Hit the button that says SHOW PER-GAME RESULTS at the bottom.

Those averages charts (the pictures in your post) need to go...people don't understand them AT ALL. I have to believe W1zzard knows it's deceiving, I know it's deceiving, and it's not cool.

There will be cheaper cards, all of them probably flashable to the (at least) 340w bios...The argument is not about the Nitro. That's a straw man. It's about the actual 9070 xt product which will all be similarish.

I'm talking about the chart that shows all the times nVIDIA cards (as they get older) get magically relegated below their OC ability to under 60fps. Those charts.

Now figure adding about ~10% perf from overclocking this card. Do you see how it is always usable and keeping ~60fps mins? And cheaper?

Do you understand an overclock on a 4000 series may be from 2730mhz to 2855mhz? This is what I'm saying. I know people don't always think about that stuff. But if you do even some of it, it isn't even close.
 
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LOOK AT THE GAMES DUDE. THE ACTUAL GAMES. Not the average.

Hit the button that says SHOW PER-GAME RESULTS at the bottom.

That averages chart...people are too don't understand. I have to believe W1zzard knows it's deceiving, I know it's deceiving, and it's not cool.

There will be cheaper cards, all of them probably flashable to the (at least) 340w bios...The argument is not about the Nitro. That's a straw man. It's about the actual 9070 xt product which will all be similarish.

Please dude, this is starting to smell like damage control. This card needs no damage control. It's a fine product. The averages are just the individual results put together. If it placed first in every game, it would average higher, the games where it "wins" are simply outliers. If your specific purpose is to play said outlier games, then... by all means, purchase one. That's what it's here for, after all.

That is exactly what people should understand. Average represents all test, not just a single cherry picked game.

You're getting feelings on the way. If we're to start declaring outlier results as "wins", then reviews become completely worthless.

Disaster for amd
Less performance than 5070ti
More power consumption
Not very good price

Disagree, this card is not a disaster.
 
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Between you guys and Hardware Unboxed, it is so much easier to make a choice these days. Thanks for the review! I have a 5070ti new in box I got from presale locally. Roughly $800 USD. Waiting for the local guys to get 9070XT in stock and if it is indeed more than $150 less I might just grab it. I know Black Myth and Indiana Jones maxed RT was a let down here but is it really that much better on a 5070ti. Based on what I see here, I would likely be turning that down regardless of which of these 2 cards I decide to go with. The 7090XT is 50% faster at RT than my 7900XT and that is pretty impressive for $200 less than I paid for that card 2 years ago!

Looking at techspot's review, yes, the 5070 Ti is miles better. The 9070 XT has terrible performance in those two games with FPS falling into the teens or single figures.
 
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CS and ER seems to drag this one down a fair bit, I wonder if it's down to the drivers. Silent hill 2 too and it's a strange game with both terrible graphics and performance.
 
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