Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

Dr. Dro · 2025-03-06T00:09:37+0000

-1nf1n1ty- said:
Am I crazy for wanting to sell my 4080 super to get the 9070XT and pocket the extra money?

From a market perspective, not in the slightest. You may still find someone willing to part with the amount you're looking for, though!

Rover4444 · 2025-03-06T00:11:36+0000

-1nf1n1ty- said:
Am I crazy for wanting to sell my 4080 super to get the 9070XT and pocket the extra money?

It's really dependent on your usecase. I'd say you're not crazy, GPU pricing is pretty inflated at the moment, you're basically selling your card for what you paid for it and getting another one that meets your needs for nearly half the price.

Krit · 2025-03-06T00:14:44+0000

Rover4444 said:
It's really dependent on your usecase. I'd say you're not crazy, GPU pricing is pretty inflated at the moment, you're basically selling your card for what you paid for it and getting another one that meets your needs for nearly half the price.

It's for nvidia used AMD gpu will not sell for a new gpu price.

Makaveli · 2025-03-06T00:16:32+0000

TheinsanegamerN said:
The RT improvements in rDNA4 are pretty impressive. Nobody was expecting miracles here.

One generation of GPUs being made on the same process didnt bring drastic improvements and you're predicting the end times for GPU excitement? LOL.

Everyone said the same thing with turing. Then we got ampere.

I can't wait to see the next Highend from AMD it will have all of the improvements from RDNA 4 but with more CU's, Memory bandwidth, and RAM. I will be staying put until that is out. I like what I see from the RDNA 4 pretty competitive.

gupsterg · 2025-03-06T00:16:58+0000

@W1zzard

Great review

. Just wondering the exact model of XFX RX 9070 XT Mercury shown on this page of review as XFX have several models with Mercury name. I'm assuming a yet to be published review of XFX card shown there in table?

Rover4444 · 2025-03-06T00:17:39+0000

mkppo said:
Glad I'm not the only one who has qualms with SH2 and CS. The latter runs at an ungodly FPS anyway and SH2 is just plain crap when it comes to optimization and looks like shit to boot.

I would love to see some good console ports though, like Forza motorsport 7 or even the old ish FH5.

SH2 is so trash, man, I don't understand why anyone would ever run defense for it. They don't even implement LODs correctly! Everything behind the fog isn't even culled! What the hell!

Krit said:
It's for nvidia used AMD gpu will not sell for a new gpu price.

Uhh... yeah? He's selling his 4080.

QuietBob · 2025-03-06T00:18:02+0000

AMD sure delivered with this one!

It basically matches the 7900XTX in raster with 66% of the hardware, while being meaningfully faster in RT. Great generational improvement! The former flagship still looks stronger on paper, with bigger framebuffer and bandwidth, but the 9070XT is arguably better in every other regard.

If I weren't on a 7900XTX, I'd be definitely getting one of these.

Pricewise, it's going to be a big win if they can supply a large quantity of models near the $600 MSRP. When the previous gen launched we had to fork $1,000+ for the same performance. The progress here is undeniable.

N/A · 2025-03-06T00:22:40+0000

QuietBob said:
AMD sure delivered with this one!

It basically matches the 7900XTX in raster with 66% of the hardware, while being meaningfully faster in RT. Great generational improvement! The former flagship still looks stronger on paper, with bigger framebuffer and bandwidth, but the 9070XT is arguably better in every other regard.

Not 66%, exactly the same as 7900XTXTX - MCDs 4x 2050M transistors + 45600 for the GCD. And they could have done this earlier, there was no need for chiplets. Now it's too late, before the N3E.

Visible Noise · 2025-03-06T00:30:26+0000

RedelZaVedno said:
What's to be excited about?... Turing was a flop, Ampere was good on paper but abysmal in real life due to crypto craze, Lovelace was a flop besides 4090 and now Blackwell is a flop due to quoting Steve from Gamers Nexus: "Jensen saying FU to gamers" and embrassing AI cash cows. The last generation that got me excited was Pascal and Polaris. It's been 8 years of a complete shitshow in dGPU market and it looks like things will only worsen with trade wars and AI craze

That’s a lot of flops for the company that has 90% market share. Or are you using FLOPS, which yes, Nvidia has had a lot of.

Floating point operations per second - Wikipedia

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-1nf1n1ty- · 2025-03-06T00:36:48+0000

Rover4444 said:
It's really dependent on your usecase. I'd say you're not crazy, GPU pricing is pretty inflated at the moment, you're basically selling your card for what you paid for it and getting another one that meets your needs for nearly half the price.

Mostly just gaming. The performance and how it's, better, close, etc from the 4080 super is really impressive. My one concern is Counter Strike performance

Guwapo77 · 2025-03-06T00:37:18+0000

Tsk Tsk Tsk, Nitro+ $730 and the 5070Ti $749.99 (Nvidia's website linking to Microcenter). Many websites warned AMD of this...

Sir Beregond · 2025-03-06T00:39:55+0000

alwayssts · 2025-03-06T00:44:26+0000

AusWolf said:
How is it not better in RT?

So, after poking around for a while, I believe (at least part of) the answer is that it sustains a smaller ratio of lower clockspeed versus raster.
The gap between 2.4 (xtx RT) and XTX raster generally more than 3->3.15ghz (on 9070xt).

Looking into it. Again, surely there are *small* arch improvements. Still think it's interesting to think about the fact 7900xtx RT clocked in the gutter though. It's a little silly, and gives value if you know what's up.

Because, well, everyone thinks it's trash. But it's just set up that way at stock bc reasons. It's not great, but it's the 7xxx card that can be called 'okay' (as okay as 9070 xt), and it's still a reason for THAT card.
If you set it up to be okay (which it isn't at stock).

Companies do things for ALL kinds of reasons to protect other products etc, and while yes there are sometimes *actual* improvements, they generally aren't as large as you may think. They just sell them that way.

Makaveli said:
I can't wait to see the next Highend from AMD it will have all of the improvements from RDNA 4 but with more CU's, Memory bandwidth, and RAM. I will be staying put until that is out. I like what I see from the RDNA 4 pretty competitive.

Right? It'll be interesting, for sure. I'm right there with you. As I say, I think that will be the card a lot of people keep. Maybe *someday* we need >24GB (32GB), but I dunno if it'll be 'needed' as much as desired.

Easy Rhino · 2025-03-06T00:44:59+0000

I'll never go with an Nvidia card until they finally go open source and put their drivers in the linux kernel!

tpa-pr · 2025-03-06T00:47:13+0000

Easy Rhino said:
I'll never go with an Nvidia card until they finally go open source and put their drivers in the linux kernel!

If I'm to understand we're on that road now with the NVK driver but obviously it is years away from feature parity with AMDGPU.

I also believe that this is the blocker to SteamOS being released for general usage. The Valve devs aren't happy with the Nvidia driver experience on Linux.

Visible Noise · 2025-03-06T00:51:49+0000

SilentPeace said:
From their forum:

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That is seriously shitty of them to do.

Scattergrunt · 2025-03-06T00:54:57+0000

-1nf1n1ty- said:
Mostly just gaming. The performance and how it's, better, close, etc from the 4080 super is really impressive. My one concern is Counter Strike performance

About on par with a 3090 at 1080p (didnt bother to include 1440p or 4k because you probably arent gonna play a comp game at 1080p imo..)

MxPhenom 216 · 2025-03-06T00:57:19+0000

Guwapo77 said:
Tsk Tsk Tsk, Nitro+ $730 and the 5070Ti $749.99 (Nvidia's website linking to Microscenter). Many websites warned AMD of this...

You also cant get 5070Tis either.....

Rover4444 · 2025-03-06T01:04:04+0000

Easy Rhino said:
I'll never go with an Nvidia card until they finally go open source and put their drivers in the linux kernel!

At the very least, the kernel modules are open on the newer cards.

-1nf1n1ty- · 2025-03-06T01:07:06+0000

Scattergrunt said:
About on par with a 3090 at 1080p (didnt bother to include 1440p or 4k because you probably arent gonna play a comp game at 1080p imo..)

I definitely don't lol I have a Corsair xeneon flex 1440p ultra wide not even 4k.

LabRat 891 · 2025-03-06T01:08:59+0000

-1nf1n1ty- said:
Am I crazy for wanting to sell my 4080 super to get the 9070XT and pocket the extra money?

If DLSS and nVidia's other proprietary features aren't important to you, that would probably be profitable.

Rover4444 said:
Pessimistic yeah, but the 7900 XT has been under $700 for nearly a year. It might have better RT, but it also has 4GB less VRAM so I think the value tapers out a bit in that regard...

When I checked out eBay, newegg, etc. last month (about the 50*0 launch) that was not the case. (-and non-12pin XTXs were $1200-1500+)
Though Navi48 is equipped w/ less VRAM, it's not showing it. Even @ 4K, it's not losing to the 20 and 24GB Navi3x cards. -In gaming*.

*AI/ML@home, is another discussion entirely.
IMHO, we (as 'the market') got shorted on VRAM this gen, on purpose. AMD, nVidia, and Intel all seem to have realized that big VRAM designs will be bought by people with 'more a need' and 'less of a want'.

Rover4444 said:
36% better performance at a 20% higher price means only a 13% better value over the 7800 XT at it's MSRP.

1% better value, is still a better value.

Ex. Before I found out about the issues w/ the 5000series and the complete unavailability... I was seriously considering a 5090 32GB (@ MSRP-MSRP+10% / $1999-2200).
From my PoV, I paid ~$1k for my Nitro+ XTX, and for ~$2k I'd get roughly double the performance (Esp. where my XTX is currently insufficient). "Double the price for double the performance" really seemed reasonable, at the time. Of course, reality smacked me in the face, and (figuratively) no one has gotten a 5090 for less than $3000-6000. Which, is absolute lunacy (if you're not actively making money w/ the card, somehow)

Rover4444 said:
That's way worse than I was predicting, I really think this card should have been $550.

The $550 RX 9070 (non-XT) is reliably better than the 7900 GRE in all aspects, and meeting-beating the 7900 XT. While not the 'leaps' we've once been used to, that's a pretty good value. IMHO, the 7900 GRE was the highest value "greater than mid-tier" card we'd seen, in ages. Merely matching that value, is notable (today).

We all want things to keep getting smaller, faster, and ESPECIALLY cheaper. Sadly, a *lot* of seemingly-unrelated factors have slowed that historical trend to a crawl.

Rover4444 said:
It's a good thing I'm using two of em! Phoronix is saying the same thing for Linux performance. Maybe things will get better over time, but they've already delayed this launch for three months. I'd think it'd be a bit better upon release, right?

IIRC, AMD still is considered to have the best driver support on Linux.

Everything's relative right now, and we're kinda in a rut of suck.

-1nf1n1ty- · 2025-03-06T01:11:53+0000

LabRat 891 said:
If DLSS and nVidia's other proprietary features aren't important to you, that would probably be profitable.

When I checked out eBay, newegg, etc. last month (about the 50*0 launch) that was not the case. (-and non-12pin XTXs were $1200-1500+)
Though Navi48 is equipped w/ less VRAM, it's not showing it. Even @ 4K, it's not losing to the 20 and 24GB Navi3x cards. -In gaming*.

*AI/ML@home, is another discussion entirely.
IMHO, we (as 'the market') got shorted on VRAM this gen, on purpose. AMD, nVidia, and Intel all seem to have realized that big VRAM designs will be bought by people with 'more a need' and 'less of a want'.

1% better value, is still a better value.

Ex. Before I found out about the issues w/ the 5000series and the complete unavailability... I was seriously considering a 5090 32GB (@ MSRP-MSRP+10% / $1999-2200).
From my PoV, I paid ~$1k for my Nitro+ XTX, and for ~$2k I'd get roughly double the performance (Esp. where my XTX is currently insufficient). "Double the price for double the performance" really seemed reasonable, at the time. Of course, reality smacked me in the face, and (figuratively) no one has gotten a 5090 for less than $3000-6000. Which, is absolute lunacy (if you're not actively making money w/ the card, somehow)

RX 9070 (non-XT) is reliably better than the 7900 GRE in all aspects, and meeting-beating the 7900 XT. While not the 'leaps' we've once been used to, that's a pretty good value. IMHO, the 7900 GRE was the highest value "greater than mid-tier" card we'd seen, in ages. Merely matching that value, is notable (today).

We all want things to keep getting smaller, faster, and ESPECIALLY cheaper. Sadly, a *lot* of seemingly-unrelated factors have slowed that historical trend to a crawl.

IIRC, AMD still is considered to have the best driver support on Linux.

Everything's relative right now, and we're kinda in a rut of suck.

Dlss isn't all that important to me, nor is fsr. I miss the older days when cards were just strong and powerful and games were optimized lol. Let's see if I can get a Sapphire card tomorrow...or Friday. I do like Ray tracing through...but you need fsr or dlss to use it so lol

freeagent · 2025-03-06T01:13:30+0000

MxPhenom 216 said:
You also cant get 5070Tis either.....

Come to Canada, I see a shitload on Amazon.ca.

LabRat 891 · 2025-03-06T01:27:08+0000

Sir Beregond said:

How unfortunate.

After finding out the issue is more 'balancing' and less 'ampacity', I'm not at all confident in a ++12VHPWR, even @ 50-67% of its rating.

Guwapo77 · 2025-03-06T01:32:01+0000

MxPhenom 216 said:
You also cant get 5070Tis either.....

Its only a matter of time... This card is not worth $730. AMD better cash in while it can...

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