Was pentium 4 an over engineered CPU?

AusWolf · Tuesday at 8:20 AM

Ruru said:
Desktop replacement.

Ah! There's no such thing, imo, but I get 'ya.

Onasi · Tuesday at 8:23 AM

AusWolf said:
Ah! There's no such thing, imo, but I get 'ya.

There is. Also known as mobile workstations. It’s not just a phrase, it’s a literal class of devices. Big fat boy laptops from the likes of Schenker and Eurocom are probably about as good of an example for that as can be.

AusWolf · Tuesday at 8:25 AM

Onasi said:
There is. Also known as mobile workstations. It’s not just a phrase, it’s a literal class of devices. Big fat boy laptops from the likes of Schenker and Eurocom are probably about as good of an example for that as can be.

I know there's such a class of objects.

I just mean that I don't believe you can truly "replace" a good old desktop PC.

biffzinker · Tuesday at 9:05 AM

AusWolf said:
What's a DTR laptop?

Anyway, battery power is one thing, but cooling is a bigger problem, imo. You either get your usual thin and light machine with powerful hardware that runs at its thermal limit all the time, or if you're lucky, you might find a rare chunky boy, but then, portability suffers. Utterly pointless, imo. Gaming is for your home, so you're much better off building a gaming desktop, and getting a cheap netbook for being on the run.

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LabRat 891 · 2025-03-05T01:07:26+0000

Onasi said:
There is. Also known as mobile workstations. It’s not just a phrase, it’s a literal class of devices. Big fat boy laptops from the likes of Schenker and Eurocom are probably about as good of an example for that as can be.

Fair. Last I'd looked into a used Mobile Workstation (Dell and Lenovo*), they had thermal issues too. Clearly, *they are not even close to the same class as those brands, anymore.

AusWolf said:
I know there's such a class of objects.
I just mean that I don't believe you can truly "replace" a good old desktop PC.

In all manners? no. In modularity and capability, though?

https://www.theportablepc.com/portable-pc.html | https://www.ariesys.com.tw/Portable_Chassis.htm

Apparently, Military and Industrial has long-had the need for truly 'portable', true desktop replacements :laugh:

Ruru · 2025-03-05T01:13:47+0000

LabRat 891 said:
Fair. Last I'd looked into a used Mobile Workstation (Dell and Lenovo*), they had thermal issues too. Clearly, *they are not even close to the same class as those brands, anymore.

In all manners? no. In modularity and capability, though?
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https://www.theportablepc.com/portable-pc.html | https://www.ariesys.com.tw/Portable_Chassis.htm

Apparently, Military and Industrial has long-had the need for truly 'portable', true desktop replacements

Panasonic Toughbooks are usually also used by the military.

biffzinker · 2025-03-05T01:16:58+0000

LabRat 891 said:
Fair. Last I'd looked into a used Mobile Workstation (Dell and Lenovo*), they had thermal issues too. Clearly, *they are not even close to the same class as those brands, anymore.

You should have looked at Clevo, XMG, and another one I’m not remembering.

Somebody that left the forums bought a XMG laptop that had a desktop Ryzen 5 3600 in it, and a Nvidia GPU. They never complained about a cooling issue for the GPU.

LabRat 891 · 2025-03-05T01:25:40+0000

biffzinker said:
You should have looked at Clevo, XMG, and another one I’m not remembering.

Ruru said:
Panasonic Toughbooks are usually also used by the military.

IME, with most electronics (even, 'professional' kit) "you get what you pay for" hasn't consistently applied, most of my life.
When I was looking, such was far outside my budget; and getting anywhere near it, would've been especially aged gear.

In retrospect, it would've probably been worth it.
A (literally) bulletproof Core 2 Duo, would probably be better than the overheating i5-10400H Latitude I 'settled on' as my "ultra-budget" choice.

lexluthermiester · 2025-03-05T02:33:45+0000

LabRat 891 said:
Fair. Last I'd looked into a used Mobile Workstation (Dell and Lenovo*), they had thermal issues too. Clearly, *they are not even close to the same class as those brands, anymore.

In all manners? no. In modularity and capability, though?
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biffzinker · 2025-03-05T02:37:08+0000

The double pumped integer units was an interesting take on performance for the P4. If the chip was 3.8 GHz then the integer units were at double the clock speed.

Wasn’t that where the Netburst name originated from?

eidairaman1 · 2025-03-05T04:12:14+0000

AusWolf said:
Ah! There's no such thing, imo, but I get 'ya.

Back then that is what mine was today they dont exist because they thermally throttle

biffzinker said:
The double pumped integer units was an interesting take on performance for the P4. If the chip was 3.8 GHz then the integer units were at double the clock speed.

Wasn’t that where the Netburst name originated from?

Not sure about the name but the Netburst seemed to be P5 like and not P6 like which was the Pentium Pro, 2, 3, Core, Core Duo.

biffzinker · 2025-03-05T04:59:57+0000

eidairaman1 said:
Not sure about the name but the Netburst seemed to be P5 like and not P6 like which was the Pentium Pro, 2, 3, Core, Core Duo.

I finally remembered Intel called it the Rapid Execution Engine. https://www.anandtech.com/show/661/4

Outback Bronze · 2025-03-05T06:41:46+0000

This thread is making me want to set up all this with win Xp and reminisce

biffzinker · 2025-03-05T07:34:57+0000

Outback Bronze said:
This thread is making me want to set up all this with win Xp and reminisce

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The P4 board I picked out for a 2.8 GHz Northwood was a MSI 865PE something. It looked like this.

stickleback123 · 2025-03-05T12:05:48+0000

The heatsink retention mechanism on the Socket 478 P4 was excellent, I'd forgotten all about that. Impossible to mess it up, not even slightly fiddly.

Apocalypsee · 2025-03-05T12:35:43+0000

Outback Bronze said:
This thread is making me want to set up all this with win Xp and reminisce

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Holy shit my dream setup! I miss that old Pentium 4 box, and Radeon X800 :love:

lexluthermiester · 2025-03-06T02:38:22+0000

stickleback123 said:
The heatsink retention mechanism on the Socket 478 P4 was excellent, I'd forgotten all about that. Impossible to mess it up, not even slightly fiddly.

It really was!

eidairaman1 · 2025-03-06T02:41:15+0000

biffzinker said:
The P4 board I picked out for a 2.8 GHz Northwood was a MSI 865PE something. It looked like this.

My K7N2 Delta-L looked like that, excluding the active fan on the NF2 NB. I still have a X1950 Pro AGP 512. If i can find the NF2 AGP GART that will run in W7 Correctly I would be all set.

Ruru · 2025-03-06T02:50:58+0000

stickleback123 said:
The heatsink retention mechanism on the Socket 478 P4 was excellent, I'd forgotten all about that. Impossible to mess it up, not even slightly fiddly.

Which is interesting when considering that the bracket is made of plastic. I was always scared that those are going to break at some point.

eidairaman1 · 2025-03-06T02:54:11+0000

Ruru said:
Which is interesting when considering that the bracket is made of plastic. I was always scared that those are going to break at some point.

Only when not installed correctly, just like cracking a cpu die (pentium 3, athlon)

lexluthermiester · 2025-03-06T03:54:29+0000

Ruru said:
Which is interesting when considering that the bracket is made of plastic. I was always scared that those are going to break at some point.

It was the good kind of plastic, the kind that had the durability and strength in the area of metal but at a fraction of the cost.

eidairaman1 · 2025-03-06T05:04:51+0000

biffzinker said:
I finally remembered Intel called it the Rapid Execution Engine. https://www.anandtech.com/show/661/4

That does ring a bell, Even p3 supported Rambus on Skt 370.

lexluthermiester · 2025-03-06T05:10:28+0000

eidairaman1 said:
That does ring a bell, Even p3 supported Rambus on Skt 370.

Yup, I had one of those boards. The 820 chipset. The RAMBUS RAM made a difference but only if it was the 1066mhz stuff, otherwise not huge difference and then only in certain programs and games. It also required the 133mhz FSB CPU models and the Tualatin CPU models really shined with it.

ShrimpBrime · 2025-03-06T05:43:12+0000

Man this thread is almost like a time machine for Intel lol. Love it.

If you guys are cool with it, here's slot 1. 333mhz

Even have like the crappiest picture of the rig too! Wish I had the time to brighten it up a bit.

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R-T-B · 2025-03-06T06:01:56+0000

ShrimpBrime said:
Man this thread is almost like a time machine for Intel lol. Love it.

If you guys are cool with it, here's slot 1. 333mhz

Even have like the crappiest picture of the rig too! Wish I had the time to brighten it up a bit.

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Is bigfoot hiding somewhere in that photo?

Nice rig but can't see much lol. And yeah the nostagia is real.

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Was pentium 4 an over engineered CPU?

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