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Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

both Nvidia and AMD prices seem to be too high to justify their performance. RTX 5070 is artificially cut-down e-waste. RX 9070 should have been priced for $450 to gain any tangible traction. RX 9070 XT would be ok for $550.
And then both would play artificial scarcity trick to raise prices well above msrp.

With AMD in bed with nVidia, ironically only Intel can change things...
 
Guwapo77 said:
I specifically stated Nitro+ @ $730. I told you were the 570Ti @ $749.99. Nothing is strange about anything... Matter fact, did you even read my post?


I'm fully aware of that bro... and hello neighbor, we shop at the same Microcenter. If you're curious, they said they have all the launch models and there are plenty.
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I think ill be ordering mine with a 9800X3D from Newegg in the morning. Microcenter is like an hour and a half away from me.
 
vvhitevvizard said:
With AMD in bed with nVidia, ironically only Intel can change things...
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I nominate this as the THEE most daft statement of the year. Darwin award even?

AMD and NVidia are NOT colluding on prices, IE price fixing. WHY?!? Because it's VERY ILLEGAL in most countries of the world and ALL of the countries that they do most of their business in.
 
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FreedomEclipse said:
In all the gaming bench results Its not there. Is there a reason for not including it?
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ah the issue is that the Nitro is not a baseline card clocked at reference. Wait for the Pulse review
 
SilentPeace said:
From their forum:

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OCUK are usually open somewhat what goes on behind the scenes, they are known for increasing pricing after initial launch stock, in the past they say its down to Nvidia providing some kind of rebate to allow MSRP prices, then it stops after launch stock. I dont know if this also applies to AMD though. I expect they will come out saying either the partners or AMD themselves provided support for MSRP pricing at launch and it got withdrawn. All other UK retailers dont comment on it at all, so its really one entities word on it.
During the 3000 Nvidia series when bot scalping was entering the scene, they would occasionally sell cards cheaper in the wrong part of the website for their community members. Like e.g. putting the GPUs in the printer section, to fool bots.
 
W1zzard said:
ah the issue is that the Nitro is not a baseline card clocked at reference. Wait for the Pulse review
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Dangg... Should have waited for the 9000 series instead. Well i got my 7800XT at a steal last year so can't really complaint much. Feels great to back to team red after a long time. Full Red FTW!!!
 
Guwapo77 said:
I specifically stated Nitro+ @ $730. I told you were the 570Ti @ $749.99. Nothing is strange about anything... Matter fact, did you even read my post?
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I read both your posts, in which you point out that this specific Nitro card isn't worth 730 because there are 5070Ti's to be had for 750. There aren't though, a quick search reveals that and Microcenter doesn't even have any in stock at most of the stores I checked. You'd have to live near one, queue up on drop day and get one. That's not representative of supply because 99% of people don't have a chance of obtaining one at MSRP or even AIB models with the insane markups.

Then you stated that AMD better 'cash in while it can'. Which was strange, because the MSRP is 600. That's what they're 'cashing in', so to speak. So even if 5070Ti's at some point in the future become readily available at $750, they still won't really be cashing in. It would've made some sense if you said Sapphire I suppose.

Also, unlike 5070/5070Ti, there will be a lot more more 9070XT's available tomorrow at $600 than 5070Ti's at $750. So comparing a top tier 9070XT to an unobtainable 5070Ti is strange at best. The only 5070 that I see readily available is a ASUS TUF 5070 for $730. MC at TX-Dallas have a whole bunch of them.
 
TheinsanegamerN said:
For dealing with heat or PSUs? It's never been irrelevant. Where it becomes irrelevant is when people start hand-wringing about electric bills, because $10 in electricity a year shouldnt be a dealbreaker when you are buying $300+ luxury items. But when people have no good reason to reject something, they will invent new problems.
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It's for both heat and waste. A bottle of cola costs 1€ but I ain't throwing down the sink just so I can afford it, so why would you treat electricity and differently? The card consuming the power is does is awful for the performance available.
 
Noor Idris said:
Dangg... Should have waited for the 9000 series instead. Well i got my 7800XT at a steal last year so can't really complaint much. Feels great to back to team red after a long time. Full Red FTW!!!
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I switched from AMD to Nvidia again this year, also no regrets. Nvidia has better support in PC games and all. But I sure do miss AMD drivers and software was just so much better especially for monitoring PC performance on OSD built into the drivers.

So far haven't had the best experience with Nvidia drivers.
 
Dr. Dro said:
Not by AMD, but by the tech circles and the fanbase. Expectations were certainly running high. People were calling this the Nvidia killer, and even the review is titled "beating NVIDIA"... except that on practice, looks like it is unable to conclusively beat 2022's RTX 4080, averaging -5% in raster and -20% in RT as per this very review (of what is arguably the most advanced model of 9070 XT we'll receive). These -5% seem to be after the games which are outliers, there were great gains in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT off, and the historically AMD friendly games seem to continue that trend (such as Call of Duty).

I do think it's a solid product with a far larger list of things to like than to dislike, but anyone calling this an Nvidia killer definitely hit their head somewhere. If the market situation wasn't so crazy, with the 50 series launch being completely botched, without any stock whatsoever, preorders from January going unfulfilled, 10+ week lead times, scalped prices on any few units that do show up for sale, and lukewarm progress by the competition (5090 aside, the 50 series barely even moves the needle in the overall level of performance made available stackwide), and if Navi 31 itself scaled better than it does, this card wouldn't look even half as good as it does.



Personally open to buying big UDNA once that's made available, this generation proves that AMD's still got it. Hopefully the suits will beat it and let their engineers work. Suits are what ruin AMD.
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The only thing that will make this card good is it being on stock (and because of that, close to MSRP) and the 5070ti being exactly not that. At MSRP prices (600 vs 750) id grab the 5070ti without a second thought, the power draw on the amd part is just :kookoo: . And it falls flat on PT again for whatever reason.
 
I don't know if it has been shared yet, but here is the handy spec cheat sheet of all the cards. Created by PC Builder


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PUBLIC - AMD 9070 XT GPU Models

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Really good card. If the price keeps the MSRP rating, I will buy it. That, might be a problem though.
 
JustBenching said:
The only thing that will make this card good is it being on stock (and because of that, close to MSRP) and the 5070ti being exactly not that. At MSRP prices (600 vs 750) id grab the 5070ti without a second thought, the power draw on the amd part is just :kookoo: . And it falls flat on PT again for whatever reason.
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The power draw shouldn't even be a concern for a stock 9070XT, this is obviously pushed way past the v/f curve being their flagship model.
 
lexluthermiester said:
I nominate this as the THEE most daft statement of the year. Darwin award even?

AMD and NVidia are NOT colluding on prices, IE price fixing. WHY?!? Because it VERY ILLEGAL in most countries of the world and ALL of the countries that they do most of their business in.
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Only if you get caught and even then. everyone is so corrupt these days, that they will just pay off the "investigator." ;D
 
alwayssts said:
So, after poking around for a while, I believe (at least part of) the answer is that it sustains a smaller ratio of lower clockspeed versus raster.
The gap between 2.4 (xtx RT) and XTX raster generally more than 3->3.15ghz (on 9070xt).

Looking into it. Again, surely there are *small* arch improvements. Still think it's interesting to think about the fact 7900xtx RT clocked in the gutter though. It's a little silly, and gives value if you know what's up.

Because, well, everyone thinks it's trash. But it's just set up that way at stock bc reasons. It's not great, but it's the 7xxx card that can be called 'okay' (as okay as 9070 xt), and it's still a reason for THAT card.
If you set it up to be okay (which it isn't at stock).

Companies do things for ALL kinds of reasons to protect other products etc, and while yes there are sometimes *actual* improvements, they generally aren't as large as you may think. They just sell them that way.
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You can explain it a million different ways, but the bottom line is that if the 7900 XTX loses 50% of its performance if you enable RT, and the 9070 XT loses 40%, then the 9070 XT does RT better.
 
AusWolf said:
You can explain it a million different ways, but the bottom line is that if the 7900 XTX loses 50% of its performance if you enable RT, and the 9070 XT loses 40%, then the 9070 XT does RT better.
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Not how it works though. If 2 cars are equal in RT but card A is twice as fast in raster it will lose a lot more performance by enabling RT (% wise), doesn't make it inferior in RT since performance ends up being the same.

mkppo said:
The power draw shouldn't even be a concern for a stock 9070XT, this is obviously pushed way past the v/f curve being their flagship model.
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HUB is testing the pure and it's still drawing power like crazy. 423w vs 343w for the 5070ti is wild man.
 
JustBenching said:
Not how it works though. If 2 cars are equal in RT but card A is twice as fast in raster it will lose a lot more performance by enabling RT (% wise), doesn't make it inferior in RT since performance ends up being the same.
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Okay...
Card 1 does 100 FPS without RT, and 50 FPS with it.
Card 2 does 150 FPS without RT, and 75 with it.
Which one is a sign of an architecture that's designed to handle RT better? (Hint: neither. They're the same)
 
AusWolf said:
Okay...
Card 1 does 100 FPS without RT, and 50 FPS with it.
Card 2 does 150 FPS without RT, and 75 with it.
Which one is a sign of an architecture that's designed to handle RT better? (Hint: neither. They're the same)
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Card 1 is faster in RT relative to raster if that's what you are trying to get at. When you enable RT you are also running the raster calculations
 
JustBenching said:
Card 1 is faster in RT relative to raster if that's what you are trying to get at. When you enable RT you are also running the raster calculations
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No, it's not. Both lose 50% performance with RT enabled.
 
JustBenching said:
The only thing that will make this card good is it being on stock (and because of that, close to MSRP) and the 5070ti being exactly not that. At MSRP prices (600 vs 750) id grab the 5070ti without a second thought, the power draw on the amd part is just :kookoo: . And it falls flat on PT again for whatever reason.
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It's an honest product IMO. This architecture is pretty much Ada level (with RT a tiny bit behind, but definitely better than Ampere), but it's doing very high clock speeds that not even the best custom Ada cards can pull. So, they're doing more or less the work of ~80 AD103 SM's with 64 CUs, it's honestly not bad. If the drivers hold stable, and none of the usual drudgery occurs... they have been hard at work at it lately. I'm willing to give them a chance.

The encoder's much improved, even if NVENC is still relatively ahead if not by pure hardware capability (triple Blackwell NVENCs on 5090 is a dream for video production). Now if they come up with an efficient compute runtime like CUDA... they'll have closed the gap as far as I'm concerned.
 
Dr. Dro said:
It's an honest product IMO. This architecture is pretty much Ada level (with RT a tiny bit behind, but definitely better than Ampere), but it's doing very high clock speeds that not even the best custom Ada cards can pull. So, they're doing more or less the work of ~80 AD103 SM's with 64 CUs, it's honestly not bad. If the drivers hold stable, and none of the usual drudgery occurs... they have been hard at work at it lately. I'm willing to give them a chance.

The encoder's much improved, even if NVENC is still relatively ahead if not by pure hardware capability (triple Blackwell NVENCs on 5090 is a dream for video production). Now if they come up with an efficient compute runtime like CUDA... they'll have closed the gap as far as I'm concerned.
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Disregarding everything else, how much cheaper does this need to be (in terms of store price, not MSRP) compared to the 5070ti to buy this instead with that ridiculous power draw? They really hit it out of the park on that one, but not in a good way.
 
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