Get 9070 or 9070 XT

[wolf]

Site currently crashed, but for a moment that's hopeful considering it's AUD, cheapest by over $100

 

[SirKeldon]

I tried to get the Reaper 9070 XT on MSRP in a couple of sites and in less than 2 minutes exposed, they were sold out. Couldn't make it on time on the checkout since the cart was "empty". Can't understand that high stock other than the one OverclockersUK had, what the ...?

*edit: typo/models

 

[_roman_]

Some cards still have more hdmi ports which i do not want.
2 dp ports are an instantly no buy for myself

It seems dp and hdmi ports can be configured. Is it so hard to make a amd card with 4 dp?

It seems the nonsense with usb-c is finally gone. I hope hdmi follows on dedicated graphic cards

For 830€ i expect no hdmi - 4 or more dp in regular size - decent cooler - lower fan noise - proper psu connector - more than 16gib VRAM - size which fits a case

There are plenty of cards to buy here with obsolete hdmi connector.

 

[adulaamin]

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Site currently crashed, but for a moment that's hopeful considering it's AUD, cheapest by over $100

Tried to get my hands on an XFX Mercury 9070XT. Could only find it at Scorptec and it sold out quick.

 

[bug]

Some cards still have more hdmi ports which i do not want.
2 dp ports are an instantly no buy for myself

It seems dp and hdmi ports can be configured. Is it so hard to make a amd card with 4 dp?

It seems the nonsense with usb-c is finally gone. I hope hdmi follows on dedicated graphic cards

For 830€ i expect no hdmi - 4 or more dp in regular size - decent cooler - lower fan noise - proper psu connector - more than 16gib VRAM - size which fits a case

There are plenty of cards to buy here with obsolete hdmi connector.

Off-topic, but why do you consider USB-C nonsense? USB-C can speak Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt can carry DP. So we could get all the DP goodness over the smaller USB-C connectors (potentially even powering the monitor).

 

[wolf]

Tried to get my hands on an XFX Mercury 9070XT. Could only find it at Scorptec and it sold out quick.

In Perth PLE is one of the better stores, this is what they had.

For reference $1350 AUD is about $850 USD.

OK, not bad, not great, considering we usually pay more here in Aus.

 

[Dristun]

Russian resellers and shops listed both at $1100+. As expected, lmao. One Hungarian shop I've checked has XTs for $950+. No, thanks!

 

[Shou Miko]

Well I got myself a Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 Pure couldn't and XT because the security company in my country that control the credit card had too many requests and blocked my card so my basket suddenly was empty when I wanted to continue after my card got unblocked.

But I guess I will be happy with a non-XT it's not like performance is really night and day difference really as @W1zzard's review showed.

I just hope I will be happy that's my main take

 

[bug]

Russian resellers and shops listed both at $1100+. As expected, lmao. One Hungarian shop I've checked has XTs for $950+. No, thanks!

Must be some form of masochism, looking to buy around launch date and complaining that you're getting ripped off.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

So, it seems like a lot of people want to give you an opinion based upon their usage scenario. We don't really have huge volumes or price stabilization yet. As such, the general rules and conclusions apply to these cards. As such, there are 6 usage scenarios, and each of these cards slot into a different one.

1) The 9070 at MSRP is for you if you are budget strapped, will not overclock heavily, and want to explore basic RT.
2) The 9070 at a mark-up but under the MSRP of the XT is for you if you want to clock this up yourself, think you can overcome the binning on the cards, and are willing to end somewhere between the 9070 and the XT's performance with either some choice aesthetics or mild performance improvements.
3) The price of a 9070 being above the MSRP of the XT is a dead zone...where you should not buy
4) The XT at MSRP is you choice for a set it and forget it card with good performance. It's not really designed for a better OC, but it's stable coming out of the box.
5) The XT above MSRP but below street value of the 5070ti is probably the performance sweet spot that will allow good overclocking, underclocking, and not break the bank.
6) An XT above the street price of a 5070ti is probably a non-starter. At that price you maybe purchase a 4080 or similar step up. The 9070 and XT are good....but not infinitely priced good.


My personal goal, an XT with about a $50 upcharge for a much better cooler. The extra price would not be bad, I'd likely slightly underclock the thing to decrease temperatures to about the 85 range at 100% to preserve performance and save energy, and running QHD resolution on two monitors should still be well within the capability of any modern game. It wasn't long ago that a 3080 with 8 Gb was normal. The 9070 XT should be significantly better than that in every way, with double the VRAM. All of that in a package that...if pricing matches what they quoted, would be half or less than what the 3080 sold for most of its lifetime. I'd call that a win for value and performance...if nothing else.

 

[Dristun]

Must be some form of masochism, looking to buy around launch date and complaining that you're getting ripped off.

Almost everything in consumer electronics is usually supplied in decent numbers and doesn't suffer the fate of GPUs. Except Fujifilm fixed-lens cameras. So, like, no, I'm just applying normal expectations to a sham industry. That's a mistake on my part, I agree.

 

[Bomby569]

another paper launch with the best models way above msrp, is anyone surprised?

 

[bug]

Almost everything in consumer electronics is usually supplied in decent numbers and doesn't suffer the fate of GPUs. Except Fujifilm fixed-lens cameras. So, like, no, I'm just applying normal expectations to a sham industry. That's a mistake on my part, I agree.

Pff... What's next, common sense?
Unfortunately, video cards are unlike other electronics. They need to be built on cutting edge, very supply constrained, foundry nodes. Hopefully that will cease at some point. But not for years to come

 

[LabRat 891]

another paper launch with the best models way above msrp, is anyone surprised?

It wasn't that paper-y of a launch. There were still cards avail after the first 60 seconds
NtM, Look @ eBay. I get the feeling sales were high, even if the number of cards : person are a bit off.

It remains to be seen If AMD wasn't BSing, and there's more stock in-channel, or not.

 

[Bomby569]

Pff... What's next, common sense?
Unfortunately, video cards are unlike other electronics. They need to be built on cutting edge, very supply constrained, foundry nodes. Hopefully that will cease at some point. But not for years to come

that argument makes no sense, apple uses even more cutting edge for example and things aren't this bad.

 

[GhostRyder]

The big question I have on these is the overclocking. I mean in the review the 9070 picked up alot of performance when overclocked which makes it a bit more interesting. Was not expecting that in TPU's review.

Personally I would get the 9070XT for 50 bucks more, but I will say the 9070 is better than I was expecting if you want to play with overclocking. I do wish it was 100 less.

 

[bug]

that argument makes no sense, apple uses even more cutting edge for example and things aren't this bad.

And how many things Apple sells are $500 or less?
It's precisely because Apple gets a big chunk of the fabs, there's isn't much capacity left for everyone else.

Edit: Older chart, but gives you the general idea: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1247996/tsmc-revenue-share-of-leading-customers/

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Looks like my local Microcenter has quite a few in stock, with many of them selling at MSRP. The AIB OC cards are too much.

 

[bug]

It wasn't that paper-y of a launch. There were still cards avail after the first 60 seconds
NtM, Look @ eBay. I get the feeling sales were high, even if the number of cards : person are a bit off.

It remains to be seen If AMD wasn't BSing, and there's more stock in-channel, or not.

As Mr Data said, when tempted by the Borg queen: "To an android, that's an eternity".

 

[erocker]

another paper launch with the best models way above msrp, is anyone surprised?

I'm still seeing some in stock.

 

[Bomby569]

I'm still seeing some in stock.

in my corner of Europe, and i'm including several countries, it's all gone, all gone

i would put the soutpark meme but they would probably not allow it.

 

[RandallFlagg]

As I mentioned in a different thread, some are looking at the non-XT wrong. Take someone like me, who doesn't have a big enough PSU for the 9070XT. Which card do I buy? If I go with the 9070XT, I need a new PSU, too, so that's another $50-100. Now all of a sudden, the 9070 is a considerably cheaper in-place upgrade. If you already have enough PSU, or you're doing a new build, then yes, the XT is the obvious choice.

That is exactly the problem. Adding another 110-120W on my GPU will put my PSU under a load that will shorten its life, might even immediately make it unstable given it's over 2 years old and PSUs do tend to degrade over time.

I also have a UPS, which I've already managed to trip when I plugged in too many things. I'd start up a game and the UPS would trip, until I disconnected some non-essential stuff. Adding another 100W to the PC power draw would undoubtedly make that problem return.

So to upgrade all of that, even with cheaper parts probably talking about ~$400+. So suddenly that +$50 for for the XT becomes +$450. Then there's also the localized heat, and noise, of a higher power draw card.

 

[Bomby569]

That is exactly the problem. Adding another 110-120W on my GPU will put my PSU under a load that will shorten its life, might even immediately make it unstable given it's over 2 years old and PSUs do tend to degrade over time.

I also have a UPS, which I've already managed to trip when I plugged in too many things. I'd start up a game and the UPS would trip, until I disconnected some non-essential stuff. Adding another 100W to the PC power draw would undoubtedly make that problem return.

So to upgrade all of that, even with cheaper parts probably talking about ~$400+. So suddenly that +$50 for for the XT becomes +$450. Then there's also the localized heat, and noise, of a higher power draw card.

undervolt the card, and you still have a better value product you can use when you eventually change PSU or resale, or just need more power for one game or eventually in one or two years.
It still doesn't make sense what you guys are saying.

 

[dyonoctis]

Hands down the XT - but wait for the AIBs to release them and reviews on each. VRAM temp at 90C isn't a deal killer, but its certainly not optimal, and frankly, if you're spending north of 500,-, optimal is what you should be looking for. It will also help with resale value of these cards.


The non XT will be a non-insult if supply is good though, thats the irony of the way they positioned that card relative to the XT.
A lot of it has to do with how stores will mark up the cards. In the tight space of these two GPUs being available, the XT is clearly 'the halo product'. Its the one people are going to want. This leaves the non-XT with a place outside of the spotlight and might result in the relative gap in price between these two cards becoming more 'realistic' - and providing a cooling effect on price rises.

In other words... the XT will be priced way over MSRP in stores... but the non XT will very likely not.

You underestimate capitalism

 

[Martin007]

The only question will be what version of the GPU do you like?

You mean brand ? what I can get because there will be few