RX 9070 availability

[Bomby569]

I did a quick check, and the three biggest computer store chains in my country have a total of approximately 600 cards (9070) available for sale online. However, they are not priced at MSRP; instead, they range between €744 ($841) and €911 ($991). The first batch of 9070 and 9070 XT cards at MSRP sold out within one minute. People do want to buy these cards, but they will not pay more than the promised MSRP, so the remaining stock will be a hard sell.

this is what i see here too. Some stories of a few cards at 649 and 699 euros, but they were gone instantly, and now the available one are between 800 and 1100 euros, but there are cards in stock, just no one is buying them for those prices

 

[The Plague]

this is what i see here too. Some stories of a few cards at 649 and 699 euros, but they were gone instantly, and now the available one are between 800 and 1100 euros, but there are cards in stock, just no one is buying them for those prices

Yeah, the fake MSRP and price hikes from both AMD and Nvidia leave a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Prices are very high, at around RX 7900 XTX level. There are no cards available in stock. Any orders made will be fulfilled from April onwards. The situation is exactly the same as it is with Nvidia GPUs.

 

[alwayssts]

Just wait 3 months, there's little production constraints on them as they use gddr6.

People just buying the hype and massive fomo binge at launch.

Should be mountains of them available at msrp (or even less) by June.

I agree with this. This is literally launch day, give it a couple months (unless the price difference is worth it to you on the XT imho, which I could understand if you were unable to find a ~4080 for less).

I would go so far as to say unless people do have massive FOMO, there's a good chance 9070 will be $450 before too long...It just makes sense if you look at relative performance and their intended market.

These (9070) are for people that could not afford a $550-650 6800xt or $480-500 7800xt. Hence, the next market segment down is ~$400-450, if not slightly lower like 7700xt became.

IMO the *real* market for both these products are <$550 and $400. I would not be surprised if they end up ~$399/$499 before too long, give or take ~$30. Perhaps after a 9080xt launches or something.

That may sound crazy, but this is literally launch day and there is nothing better available in the price class (for XT) by a very wide margin...so it makes sense price may inflate short-term to close that gap.

This will not always be the case, and the market will eventually be satiated. I don't know why people are going crazy over the vanilla at launch price. To me that's pure FOMO.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

It's a lot better than the 5000 series.

Not good enough to pull the price down faster.

 

[Bomby569]

there's a good chance 9070 will be $450 before too long

the 7800 launched at 499usd and it never went down that much, prices were always around 500usd, why would this time be any different? that's a 200usd drop in price. Dream on

 

[Alpine]

So the company I work for ordered about 20 RX 9070XT s and all of their orders have been canceled. And the price went from MSRP to 850€ without tax. So they set up the order again for a few, I think around 10 or so and the order was canceled again. I dont think there is ANY stock left anywhere atm. Not only is it impossible to get one at MSRP but even without tax for a company it is INSANELY expensive.

 

[alwayssts]

the 7800 launched at 499usd and it never went down that much, prices were always around 500usd, why would this time be any different? that's a 200usd drop in price. Dream on

That is INCORRECT. It actually fell close to below $450 several times. 7700xt fell under $370 (sometimes under $350) before too long as well.

The owner of this website said he expects as low as below $350 (third paragraph if you're having trouble), meaning he too agrees 9070 will follow the trajectory of 7700xt.
Considering 5070 is an abject failure, and it's price will likely fall, and AMD still (eventually) has to undercut it (perhaps with XT, let-alone the non-XT), THIS ALL MAKES SENSE.

I can't speak if he think 9070xt like 7800xt, I think that's rational...maybe a little higher. That's why I said ~$500-550. Anything between 7800xt-7900GRE makes sense ($480-550).

9070 is replacing all of N32 (7700xt/7800xt), and therefore it needs to drop to a similar or lower price quickly.

That's how the market works, because anyone willing to pay that price would have bought a 7800XT, and they will not upgrade from an 7800XT to a vanilla 9070.

Clearly some people do not know how the market works, and that's fine. Just don't be a dick when you don't.

I want to remind the peanut gallery or people laughing at me said the same thing about 7900xt/xtx.

The $900/$1000 cards that dropped to ~$600/800 before too long. Yes, they adjusted, but those times will happen for this as well.

I know people don't understand this is actually a low-end RT card (the next generation of graphics) rather than a high-end raster card, but they will. Like I say, give it a little time.

This is the not dissimilar to a '60' series on 3nm. You're just getting it a little early and in a slightly higher bracket. Again, some people don't understand this, but it's still true.

I know some people really don't get it, and that's OK. I still love you, even though you're wrong.

 

[Hyderz]

None in Korea atm maybe the retail stores have but I don’t venture into Seoul

 

[Bomby569]

That is INCORRECT. It actually fell close to below $450 several times. 7700xt fell under $400 before too long as well. 9070 is replacing 7800xt, and therefore it needs to drop to a similar or lower price.
That's how the market works, because anyone willing to pay that price would have bought a 7800XT, and they will not upgrade from an 7800XT to a vanilla 9070.

450 is still close to 500usd, like i said, 50usd difference. You're talking about a 200 usd drop. Like i said dream on, that is a level of delusion that isn't even healthy

 

[alwayssts]

450 is still close to 500usd, like i said, 50usd difference. You're talking about a 200 usd drop. Like i said dream on, that is a level of delusion that isn't even healthy

$600 to $480-550 is not $200. Neither is ~$400-450 from $550. Learn to math. It is...wait for it...DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE PRICE DROPS OF 7700XT/7900XT/7900XTX from their launch price.
Costs to produce these products are likely low (due to monolithic, mature [5nm generation] process [especially as conversion to 3nm happens] and the abundant supply and low cost of 20gbps GDDR6.)

7900xt dropped from $900 to around 70% of that at times. Sometimes a little lower. But let's say 30% drop.
7900xtx (top sku so less drop) went from $1000 to sometimes down to as low as ~$800. Let's be conservative and say $833, because it makes this easier. Wizard's reviews have it at $820.
7700xt went from $450 down to as low as $340, but let's say roughly 15-20% drop.

So let's pretend 9070 xt is a XTX. 85% of $600 is ~$500. 80% is $480. Why is this price familiar? 7800xt. Might it stay closer to a GRE? It *might*. It might not. As time goes on the cheaper price more possible.
Let's pretend a 9070 is a 7900xt or 7700xt. That puts it at <$400-450. It could go lower (~$350) because it *may* replace the 7700xt market as time goes on.

This is what W1zard thinks, especially if it has to battle a lower-priced 5070. He *might* be right. AMD typically triumphs at 30% less MSRP. If 5070 was $500, that would make 9070 $350.

Congratulations, I have become your economics teacher.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

All the above, hard to tell what the root causes of the connector's issues are given we've had so many modes of failure at this point.

I will say that I really don't like that Sapphire has the cable bending like that in the provided graphic either, that's too close to the connector to the point where it'll likely cause pin spread. This only increases the probability of something going wrong.

Buildzoid did a review of the 12V2X6 setup on the more expensive Nitro plus and found that they aren't doing current balancing across the pins either and I'm willing to bet the same applies to this cheaper model as well.

Their marketing is correct, they focused and aesthetics and looks over actual functionality. These companies seem to have learned nothing from Nvidia's mistakes.

I don't understand how sapphire though it was a good idea to put 12V2X6 on their more premium options and 8 pin on their lower end models like the pulse. The 8-pin is a vastly superior connector.



Both cards (Taichi and Pulse) get exceptionally low temperatures, below 57c on the core.

I don't see going from 56c to 52c as enough of a reason to warrant having to put up with the 12V2X6.

This is my opinion of course, everyone should buy whatever best fits their criteria. If cooling performance is big enough for you to put up with the issues with that connector, I'll respect your right to choose.

IMHO bending the cable is not an issue here but depending on the plastic quality if is a 9070XT with above 300 Watt pwr draw you might see that plastic becoming brittle. That pwr adaptor will sulk in a constant heat, prolly above 50C hundreds of hours.

"30 mating cycles" we can exclude that. Because how many times you'll take out your GPU out of the case if your are not working for GN

I've seen only Buildzoid video regarding 5090 and from you description, thank you, seems that is the same on the Nitro current balancing and maybe also not enough shunt resistors. Definitely shunt resistors on 5090 was a sad joke.
However don't forget that pwr draw difference is substantial in between the 2 cards, and the shitty design of power gate might last way longer on Nitro +

EDIT I just looked at B video about Sapphire PCB, we have a very different situation. The Sapphire circuit has 2 fuses and and 2x 12V power rails for that 340 W TDP compared with Nvidia , one fuse and one 12v power rail for 575W. That my friend IMHO is a huge difference. I might be wrong because I left out AMPS/wire and ATX version of the PSU. So, we have 2 factors to consider which are very important.
How many amps will go on a single wire and that depends of power gate and ATX revisions.
I believe derBauer had an 2.4 ATX for his 5090 test we don't know what an ATX 3.0 or ATX 3.1 will deliver trough the 12V connector. I don't know how many burned 5090 had an 3.0 or 3.1 PSU behind. I'm not assuming that ATX revisions will ensure a more realizable 12V design, but maybe is the case.

As I remember one of the perks of the ATX 3.0 was that the GPU will talk with the PSU for the needs of power. However this leave a very bitter taste as many of users don't want to change their PSU just for the sake of ATX 3.0 if that old PSU 2.0 or 2.4 still delivers solid voltages to the system. Why would they.
With more condensed PCBs will see even more 12V implementations. Sapphire however doesn't have an excuse here for the 12V. that being said, 2x8 or 3x8 takes more space on the PCB than a 12V.

I don't agree myself with 12 V implementations on any GPU but, than we have to learn and discuss how can we deal with it. Or we have to get enough signatures to ban that 12v out of the design.
Let's make a poll.

$600 to $480-550 is not $200. Learn to math. It is...wait for it...DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE PRICE DROPS OF 7700XT/7900XT/7900XTX from their launch price.

7900xt dropped from $900 to around 70% of that at times. Sometimes a little lower. But let's say 30% drop.
7900xtx (top sku so less drop) went from $1000 to sometimes down to as low as ~$800. Let's be conservative and say a 15% drop.
7700xt went from $450 down to as low as $340, but let's say roughly 15-20% drop.

So let's pretend 9070 xt is a XTX. 85% of $600 is ~$500.
Let's pretend a 9070 is a 7900xt or 7700xt. That puts it at <$400-450.

Congratulations, I am have become your economics teacher.

Just a glimpse in your prices history, we are not all leaving in US, and if you look on price history of 7800 XT in UK you'll see that is got more expensive with 30-40£ and than drops around 50-60£. In some EU countries was the same or worst. Why 7800 XT? because is more close to 9070 in terms of TDP. Power efficiency of the cards here in Europe counts more than in US.
I've seen higher drops for 7900XT or XTX but than, power draw of that cards is high.

 

[alwayssts]

Just a glimpse in your prices history, we are not all leaving in US, and if you look on price history of 7800 XT in UK you'll see that is got more expensive with 30-40£ and than drops around 50-60£. In some EU countries was the same or worst. Why 7800 XT? because is more close to 9070 in terms of TDP. Power efficiency of the cards here in Europe counts more than in US.
I've seen higher drops for 7900XT or XTX but than, power draw of that cards is high.

Right, and I know not all markets get a fair shake on prices vs the US, especially due to VAT etc. I recognize that. I can't speak to those prices as I don't live in Europe or elsewhere.

9070 will drop in price, wherever you are. Because it has to compete with 5070 (at a lower price bc that's just reality of perception of nVIDIA vs AMD). It again, has to replace the 7700xt market.
This is again because most people will not upgrade at the same price from a 7800xt/gre to a 9070. It's just not worth it (due it's not-great RT capability etc), and it needs to enter a lower market to make sense.
That similar-enough level of performance (to 7800xt/gre) has to trickle down or many people just will not buy it (in the long-term). That is the *whole purpose* of creating new products; to do that very thing.
Or else they would just sell the same products forever.

I understand it's power efficient. I understand it replaces a 7800xt. But you must understand it needs to *beat* that card in price to actually move the market forward; so people make new purchases.
It also has to convince customers to choose it over a 5070 which very-likely may drop in price given how it was received (and rightfully so).

I don't know what that price is, but it ain't $550. It ain't even $500. It ain't even $480. Like I said, supply/demand will dictate, and I am not in charge of the many buyers that will dictate that.
What will most people pay? It could be $450. It could be $400. At some points less. I don't know. But it ain't $550. Not long-term and after those thirsting for it have one.

I hope that translate well to other places in the world, I truly do. Again, I know so many people get screwed on pricing...but at least in the terms of relativity, it should (and hopefully will for you) be better.

I'm going to have to tell W1zard you guys are laughing at him for his price analysis on 9070 (of as low as $350). I know some of you worship him, and that will probably make him very sad.

And I will comfort him by telling him I *mostly* agree with him. I think he may be a *little* optimistic (FOR YOU GUYS HAVING BETTER PRICES), but he may be right.

Point is, again, it ain't $550. Not even close. He'll tell you that, I'll tell you that. TechspotUnboxed will tell you that (which also agree XT should have been $550 even at launch).

Anyone that knows the GPU market will tell you that. Unless they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

Right, and I know not all markets get a fair shake on prices vs the US, especially due to VAT etc. I recognize that. I can't speak to those prices as I don't live in Europe or elsewhere.

9070 will drop in price, wherever you are. Because it has to compete with 5070 (at a lower price bc that's just reality of perception of nVIDA vs AMD). It again, has to replace the 7700xt market.
This is again because most people will not upgrade at the same price from a 7800xt/gre to a 9070. It's just not worth it (due it's not-great RT capability etc), and it needs to enter a lower market to make sense.
That similar-enough level of performance (to 7800xt/gre) has to trickle down or many people just will not buy it (in the long-term). That is the *whole purpose* of creating new products; to do that very thing.
Or else they would just sell the same products forever.

I understand it's power efficient. I understand it replaces a 7800xt. But you must understand it needs to *beat* that card in price to actually move the market forward; so people make new purchases.
It also has to convince customers to choose it over a 5070 which very-likely may drop in price given how it was received (and rightfully so).

I don't know what that price is, but it ain't $550. It ain't even $500. It ain't even $480. Like I said, supply/demand will dictate, and I am not in charge of the many buyers that will dictate that.
What will most people pay? It could be $450. It could be $400. At some points less. I don't know. But it ain't $550. Not long-term and after those thirsting for it have one.

I hope that translate well to other places in the world, I truly do. Again, I know so many people get screwed on pricing...but at least in the terms of relativity, it should (and hopefully will for you) be better.

I'm going to have to tell W1zard you guys are laughing at him for his price analysis on 9070 (of as low as $350). I know some of you worship him, and that will probably make him very sad.

And I will comfort him by telling him I *mostly* agree with him. I think he may be a *little* optimistic (FOR YOU GUYS HAVING BETTER PRICES), but he may be right.

Point is, again, it ain't $550. Not even close. He'll tell you that, I'll tell you that. TechspotUnboxed will tell you that (which also agree XT should have been $550 even at launch).

Anyone that knows the GPU market will tell you that. Unless they don't know what they're talking about.

My point is that supply and demand does not dictate that much as we would like, are artificial kept up because we have no alternatives.

I also brought to your attention the 7800XT not because it replacing 9070 but, because prices didn't drop enough from the launch price.

Is replacing 9070 in terms of power alone, I believe 9070 is better than 790GRe at lower power draw which is good. As I see it 9070 is replacing overall 7900GRE.
In terms of upgrading, is a very bitter because 7800 XT and 7900 GRE are good cards for todays gaming and now they have to throw some more money for less power draw and RDNA 4, is a disgrace.

Why ? For example: I wanted to upgrade from my 1080 Ti to 7800 XT BUT, while 7800 XT draws lower pwr in gaming than 1080 Ti, in idle and video play(40W vs 17-19W) back draws way more than 1080 Ti with a single monitor. So, whatever I'm saving in gaming in terms of power I'm wasting it in idle and video play back. Equation is simple, you gaming 2 hrs and 3hrs is idle or video playback. Is really stupid they didn't fix 7000 series power draw. In my book gaming has smaller time bracket than idle and video playback. The question is because they couldn't or they wanted to push people towards 9000 series new cards?
Than you have to consider the Multi-monitor setups where the user play a game and watch also a video on the other monitor. This bracket of users IMHO is increasing.

 

[windwhirl]

Buildzoid did a review of the 12V2X6 setup on the more expensive Nitro plus and found that they aren't doing current balancing across the pins either and I'm willing to bet the same applies to this cheaper model as well.

From his commentary, my understanding was that *no one*, absolutely no one, is doing current balancing on the 16-pin connector. At some point he was wondering if that was by spec.

The only "good" thing he pointed out was the two fuses Sapphire put in, which apparently no one seems to do either???
I don't know, the more I hear about the blasted connector, the more I hate it

 

[rusty caterpillar]

The only "good" thing he pointed out was the two fuses Sapphire put in, which apparently no one seems to do either???

Balancing is done maybe by PSU ATX 3.0 and 3.1 only and not ATX 2.4 or lower, I don't know.
Regarding ATX 3.0 PSUs
"ATX 3.0 power supplies include smarter communication features that allow them to talk directly with the motherboard and graphics card. This communication enables better power management and helps prevent overload situations by ensuring the PSU meets the GPU's amperage and voltage requirements."

Not only 2 fuses and 2x shunt resistors but, also 2x 12V rails. And everything for only 340 Watt power draw not 575Watt.
I'm not saying I want 12V connectors but I think is better than Nvidia in this context, one question remain though, amps/wire. If exceeds 10-12 amps /wire is bad, ideal will be 8 amps/wire at that gauge.

 

[alwayssts]

My point is that supply and demand does not dictate that much as we would like, are artificial kept up because we have no alternatives.

I also brought to your attention the 7800XT not because it replacing 9070 but, because prices didn't drop enough from the launch price.

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Is replacing 9070 in terms of power alone, I believe 9070 is better than 790GRe at lower power draw which is good. As I see it 9070 is replacing overall 7900GRE.
In terms of upgrading, is a very bitter because 7800 XT and 7900 GRE are good cards for todays gaming and now they have to throw some more money for less power draw and RDNA 4, is a disgrace.

Why ? For example: I wanted to upgrade from my 1080 Ti to 7800 XT BUT, while 7800 XT draws lower pwr in gaming than 1080 Ti, in idle and video play(40W vs 17-19W) back draws way more than 1080 Ti with a single monitor. So, whatever I'm saving in gaming in terms of power I'm wasting it in idle and video play back. Equation is simple, you gaming 2 hrs and 3hrs is idle or video playback. Is really stupid they didn't fix 7000 series power draw. In my book gaming has smaller time bracket than idle and video playback. The question is because they couldn't or they wanted to push people towards 9000 series new cards?
Than you have to consider the Multi-monitor setups where the user play a game and watch also a video on the other monitor. This bracket of users IMHO is increasing.

Just hear me out. This goes for everyone that cares about saving a little money and/or can wait a small amount of time.

Wait until end of June, when companies have to hit their sales target for the quarter. If that doesn't work, there is a very Prime Day to buy a card. They are launching cards RN for a reason, I think.

Likely because just after that, when they have consumed peak margin and anyone thinking they got a great deal, they will likely launch a high-end card and that will relegate these to those lower prices as a norm.

If I am wrong, you can ridicule me to the ends of the earth. You don't need to buy from the river company, as on that date pretty much everyone competes.

When I am right, you can thank me for giving away all my secrets.

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As for power draw, that was a long-standing issue. I'm glad they fixed it. I can understand your inclination towards a 9070, but I truly believe it is not a card that will make people happy long-term.
I would honestly just wait a small amount of time, the 9070 xt price WILL decrease to the 9070 price or lower, and you will have a much better card with similar power consumption for idle usage.
You can always undervolt/decrease power limit, and then the juice is there if there are times you want/need it. IMHO the 9070 is just too limited in it's capability.
I understand people think RT is an option; a toggle. And right now it is. But it will not always be this way; if you're coming from a 1080Ti it will absolutely be in the lifetime of this purchase.
9070 XT should/will allow a 1080p or 1080p upscaled experience to be good in those games. A 9070 will not; it is purposely limited to stay just shy of that level.
I understand the concern to save power, and perhaps you should check out this video. I would shoot for ~20k in that bench as the target to hit. That should keep 60fps here and here. Voilá! Perfect card.
It might be something to consider. Ofc, you do you, and I respect your choice, just trying to help.
I just want people to have the best they can afford, and I think the 9070 xt is that card for many people, and anyone considering 9070 will fairly soon be able to get the better one for it's current price or lower.

Until then,

!RemindmePrimeDay=thisthread.

 

[biffzinker]

Plenty of cards on eBay, I like the 9070 XT cards with $500 added onto the $600 paid.

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[alwayssts]

Plenty of cards on eBay, I like the 9070 XT cards with $500 added onto the $600 paid.

AMD Radeon 9070 for sale | eBay

Get the best deals for AMD Radeon 9070 at eBay.com. We have a great online selection at the lowest prices with Fast & Free shipping on many items!

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Like I said, people will close the gap as much as they can between the similar nVIDIA card(s), until they can't....and that's exactly what you're seeing. Look at similar 4080 super prices (not shipped from China).
Anything below that would not surprise me (at this strange moment).

If you want to whale; whale.

I'm just sayin' guys...From everything I heard these were supposed to launch at $400/480 MSRP, with AIB's being still around the GRE mark.

AMD took advantage of the availability/competitive situation (and/or know people expect their prices to drop, so started higher), and that is why this moment is occuring AFAICT.

This won't last forever. It really won't. The prices very well may stay a little higher because they can, but I truly don't think it will be as we see it now for very long.

 

[Jtuck9]

AMD took advantage of the availability/competitive situation (and/or know people expect their prices to drop, so started higher), and that is why this moment is occuring AFAICT.

This won't last forever. It really won't. The prices very well may stay a little higher because they can, but I truly don't think it will be as we see it now for very long.

Aren't AMD supposedly providing retailers with rebates to hit MSRP?!

 

[windwhirl]

Aren't AMD supposedly providing retailers with rebates to hit MSRP?!

MSRP is just for some cards. AIBs can and will sell certain or most models at higher pricing.

 

[biffzinker]

MSRP is just for some cards. AIBs can and will sell certain or most models at higher pricing.

Pricing GPU's like fuel prices? Up one day down slightly the next then it goes up higher. Roller-coaster pricing

 

[Jtuck9]

Pricing GPU's like fuel prices? Up one day down slightly the next then it goes up higher. Roller-coaster pricing

Was Overclockers the only retailer to not increase their prices during the frenzy?

Competition seemed to work in the opposite direction.

 

[biffzinker]

Was Overclockers the only retailer to not increase their prices during the frenzy?

Competition seemed to work in the opposite direction.

I left a reply over here because I didn't know of this thread. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/whats-your-latest-tech-purchase.225885/post-5470324

 

[Jtuck9]

I left a reply over here because I didn't know of this thread. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/whats-your-latest-tech-purchase.225885/post-5470324

:/

Did you take a screenshot of the card in your cart when it was at that price? I was wondering if they might honour it, like EVGA used to in the old country according to that pcgamer article I linked somewhere...

Surely we can dream but better dreams and build better systems