RX 9070 availability

[Bomby569]

Weren't we supposed to be swimming in these cards, with plentiful stock worldwide

not sure about AMD, but there is lots of stock of the AI Nvidia cards, and they aren't even overpriced.
Like buildzoid explained why would they sell you the same silicon for 4 times less money or something like it? Unless AI dies or a 5090 costs the same as the rtx pro 6000 whatever, this is the new normal.

Gamers are just poor, even the 5090 one's, stop being poor.

 

[AusWolf]

Weren't we supposed to be swimming in these cards, with plentiful stock worldwide

Define "plentiful".

 

[Dr. Dro]

not sure about AMD, but there is lots of stock of the AI Nvidia cards, and they aren't even overpriced.
Like buildzoid explained why would they sell you the same silicon for 4 times less money or something like it? Unless AI dies or a 5090 costs the same as the rtx pro 6000 whatever, this is the new normal.

Gamers are just poor, even the 5090 one's, stop being poor.

Yeah, silly me, I just purchased a graphics card that costs a year's income for the average salaryman in my country to play gacha video games, look at anime breasts and argue with you people on this forum. I'm really poor.

Anyway, to help shed some light on the situation, I wrote a support ticket to the store I purchased my RTX 5090 from on January 30th (Pichau Informática is one of the biggest computer stores in Brazil), and they're supposed to get back to me today. In this ticket I detailed that I placed an order on the first day and inquired about the stock situation - I specifically asked if they managed to secure any stock to fulfill the orders for the cards they already sold to Brazilian customers who purchased with them or if they're really going to make the buyers wait until April or further. The RX 9070 series have the same fulfillment window as the RTX 5090 cards, which are all slated for April+.

Hopefully, they'll cooperate and I will share the news here if there's any updates.

Define "plentiful".

More than enough supply for 1% of the customer base

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah, silly me, I just purchased a graphics card that costs a year's income for the average salaryman in my country to play gacha video games, look at anime breasts and argue with you people on this forum. I'm really poor.

That was not the point. The point was that your card is still considered a "poor man's card" in Nvidia's eyes. They make a lot more money on datacentre chips than they do on people like you/us.

More than enough supply for 1% of the customer base

How do you know what the customer base is without actually selling something first?

 

[Dr. Dro]

That was not the point. The point was that your card is still considered a "poor man's card" in Nvidia's eyes. They make a lot more money on datacentre chips than they do on people like you/us.


How do you know what the customer base is without actually selling something first?

Yeah yeah I know, i'm just further exposing the brutality of the situation. It's rough, and regardless of whether you have money or not your orders aren't gonna get fulfilled. And I don't think you should expect enterprise cards like the 6000 to fare any better in retail channels. OEMs will get dibs.

And come on dude... AMD knows there's extreme demand for their GPUs. Delayed their launch a couple of months. Especially after Nvidia screwed everything up. Hyped them to death. Made fanfare that they were gonna be available for all who wanted one. As long as you were one of the first 200 dudes or so that lived next to a Micro Center and had the time to drop by at the exact time, that is.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah yeah I know, i'm just further exposing the brutality of the situation. It's rough, and regardless of whether you have money or not your orders aren't gonna get fulfilled. And I don't think you should expect enterprise cards like the 6000 to fare any better in retail channels. OEMs will get dibs.

And come on dude... AMD knows there's extreme demand for their GPUs. Especially after Nvidia screwed everything up. Hyped them to death. Made fanfare that they were gonna be available for all who wanted one. As long as you were one of the first 200 dudes or so that lived next to a Micro Center and had the time to drop by at the exact time, that is.

Overclockers UK (one single retailer) had about 4000 cards at launch. Based on what I've read, that's more than the total number of Nvidia 50-series cards allocated for the whole USA during its launch. So relative to that, 9000-series stock was actually "plentiful".

Edit: Non-XT cards are still available, albeit at an increased price

 

[Ruru]

Somewhat good supply here in Finland

 

[Bomby569]

And come on dude... AMD knows there's extreme demand for their GPUs. Delayed their launch a couple of months. Especially after Nvidia screwed everything up. Hyped them to death. Made fanfare that they were gonna be available for all who wanted one. As long as you were one of the first 200 dudes or so that lived next to a Micro Center and had the time to drop by at the exact time, that is.

AMD is using the same silicon from the same TSMC fab (there is only one), and AGAIN like Buildzoid explained they sell cpus too, also using the same silicon from TSMC, and those are also insanely more profitable by die size. It's the same exact problem if not worst

 

[Dr. Dro]

AMD is using the same silicon from the same TSMC fab (there is only one), and AGAIN like Buildzoid explained they sell cpus too, also using the same silicon from TSMC, and those are also insanely more profitable by die size. It's the same exact problem if not worst

I'm aware. Before Buildzoid said it... I did. But I was turned away cause, y'know, just a Radeon hater after all, AMD totally won't prioritize its much higher margin businesses

Overclockers UK (one single retailer) had about 4000 cards at launch. Based on what I've read, that's more than the total number of Nvidia 50-series cards allocated for the whole USA during its launch. So relative to that, 9000-series stock was actually "plentiful".

An impressive amount from the perspective of one person, but it's probably not enough to supply 10% of the demand of London alone...

 

[Bomby569]

I'm aware. Before Buildzoid said it... I did. But I was turned away cause, y'know, just a Radeon hater after all, AMD totally won't prioritize its much higher margin businesses

the die size needs to get a lot smaller or the price a lot bigger, unless that happens consumer gpus will always come last. The math makes sense unfortunately unless someone comes up with a miracle.

maybe start using last gen node and last gen gddr will be the solution

 

[Dr. Dro]

the die size needs to get a lot smaller or the price a lot bigger, unless that happens consumer gpus will always come last. The math makes sense unfortunately unless someone comes up with a miracle.

maybe start using last gen node and last gen gddr will be the solution

Miracles unfortunately don't happen. The only solution I see, if a solution at all to this conundrum is the one you have posed in your post and earlier in this thread: gaming GPUs will have to fall behind by a full node to alleviate the supply situation. And they will no longer be able to carry the latest in technological advancements as they have until this point. This won't be an ultimate solution, but it will help alleviate the supply - as long as most cryptocurrency miners and AI training/inferencing people pay for their power bills, multiple slower GPUs of a previous generation may not be as profitable or enticing as just going with fewer of the latest node's.

That's where the problem lies, gaming GPUs require the latest generation technology to show their gains against their predecessors, and before GPUs became tools to make a select few people a lot of money, the development of the advanced chips that went into gaming products were largely subsidized by the profits from the ultra high margin workstation market. Then cryptocurrencies happened. People started to figure out that they could use this vast computing power to make a lotta dough. Now AI. The AI craze is everywhere, they shove AI even in your shoes these days. But once AI dies out, someone will come up with another way to monetize this compute power, and guess what? Easy money. No need to work. Most of the cases, you can dodge tax too. No wonder the situation is what it is. Those of us who upgrade every generation got hit the absolute hardest. I don't think I'm personally going to be doing that anymore, however tempting.

 

[Ruru]

Somewhat good supply here in Finland

Though can't afford one. My current 3080 will serve for a while...

 

[Bomby569]

Though can't afford one. My current 3080 will serve for a while...

you can't afford it TODAY, your mind isn't ready yet that's all, but you will eventually, and by then you will be able to "afford it" and for a lot more money.
I see this all the time, people don't want to pay x, but after a while of not getting what they want for x, x+y will seem like a reasonable price. Eventually you'll pay 4000 and think it's a good deal, you'll be one of the "lucky" ones that got one.

The other solution is shrinkflation, if people simply won't buy at those prices. You'll buy a 6090 that is in fact a 60 class card. Those are the 2 options and it works on every market.

 

[Ruru]

you can't afford it TODAY, your mind isn't ready yet that's all, but you will eventually, and by then you will be able to "afford it" and for a lot more money.
I see this all the time, people don't want to pay x, but after a while of not getting what they want for x, x+y will seem like a reasonable price. Eventually you'll pay 4000 and think it's a good deal, you'll be one of the "lucky" ones that got one.

The other solution is shrinkflation, if people simply won't buy at those prices. You'll buy a 6090 that is in fact a 60 class card. Those are the 2 options and it works on every market.

I mean I'm an unemployed dude, I can't afford a 700-1000EUR card :'D

Never paid over 500EUR for a GPU, my current 3080 cost me 450EUR.

 

[AusWolf]

An impressive amount from the perspective of one person, but it's probably not enough to supply 10% of the demand of London alone...

An impressive amount from the perspective of Nvidia's 50-series supply (still not enough, I give you that).

you can't afford it TODAY, your mind isn't ready yet that's all, but you will eventually, and by then you will be able to "afford it" and for a lot more money.
I see this all the time, people don't want to pay x, but after a while of not getting what they want for x, x+y will seem like a reasonable price. Eventually you'll pay 4000 and think it's a good deal, you'll be one of the "lucky" ones that got one.

The other solution is shrinkflation, if people simply won't buy at those prices. You'll buy a 6090 that is in fact a 60 class card. Those are the 2 options and it works on every market.

People should realise that high-end cards aren't absolutely necessary to play games. There's nothing wrong with reducing graphical settings in most games.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Weren't we supposed to be swimming in these cards, with plentiful stock worldwide

Did you bother actually watching the video?

I ask because the first point that he makes answers this retort. No, it was not as papery of a launch as Nvidia. Yes, not everybody could get a card day one. Yes, scalping is prevalent. No, it's not worth buying these cards at the scalping prices. You're welcome to say a lot about GN, but they made all of this clear in the time most ADHD addled minds can continue to pay attention. Even dancing around calling it a paper launch because the data doesn't support that...if anecdotal experience sucked.


Regarding the other side...to have enough for everyone who wants one to have one on day one would require a stupid huge bank build, considering both AMD and Nvidia have spent the last several months "clearing out the channel." IE, not producing anything new from the old stuff, and allowing the consistent sales demand to clear inventory. Again, maybe 1 month of partial manufacture and 2-3 months of full production. Given demand is basically a peak followed by a huge drop off to stability, it sucks. Scalpers will get rewarded by people too impatient that buy a card, and rational people who can wait 2 months will likely see refresh 3 or 4 providing enough stock to have something on the shelves. It seems silly to say this, but not having a card day one is not a conspiracy when you've spent months driving demand up with scarcity.

 

[Bomby569]

People should realise that high-end cards aren't absolutely necessary to play games. There's nothing wrong with reducing graphical settings in most games.

i don't think that's a relevant point, most of the things we buy everyday aren't really absolutely necessary. You could buy a cheaper phone, ride the bus, make your own food, etc...

 

[AusWolf]

i don't think that's a relevant point, most of the things we buy everyday aren't really absolutely necessary. You could buy a cheaper phone, ride the bus, make your own food, etc...

I have a cheap phone, I make my own food, and I only drive to work because I work at night when there's no bus going. So yes, I think it is a totally relevant point.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

9070 vanilla still in stock in Norway for 10% above msrp, not that bad and far better than the 5070/ti situation.

 

[AusWolf]

9070 vanilla still in stock in Norway for 10% above msrp, not that bad and far better than the 5070/ti situation.

Same here in the UK, just rather 20% more than MSRP. Questionable, but available at least.

 

[alwayssts]

Impressive wall of text, but you still haven't explained why a ~10% difference in FPS is so meaningful. You can always turn one setting down from ultra to high, and you've got that 10% back - not that you notice 10% anyway.

I actually explained it in my wall of text. You should read them, as you may become enlightened.

Let's put this another way. Next gen is almost-certainly going to use 36gbps and 40gbps memory (with similar cache structure to what nVIDIA currently uses, albeit it might be a L3 instead of L2 etc).

They will likely be 6144sp/12288/18432sp. This would be equalized to 3780 or 4200mhz, probably 225/450/675W spec.
It likely the 36gbps SKU will actually just have some shaders disabled per die (say 1920 instead of 2048).

For instance:

6144 @ 4200/40000 = 9070 xt @ 3150mhz. This is fast-enough to meet the spec I have explained going on 3000 times for RT.
5760 @ 4000/36000 = Still faster than the capability of 9070. It would likely OC to hit 50TF. This would be under 4400mhz, and within the capabiltiies of overclocked 36gbps ram (even Micron, potentially!)

Hope that simplified it for you. 9070 will be obsoleted right away, and it already kind of is. It's just that not everyone plays games with those requirements yet.

It's okay...I know when those games come out everyone will complain. But the point is that is why I am explaining it to you...So you know it's coming and don't make a bad decision.

This is also why 9070 will eventually be very cheap; same for 5070. Because it (and they) do not meet those requirements. That is absolutely fine for *some* games, but it won't be great in many games.

Again, I think many people see these purchases as investments meant to last 4+ years, or more than one generation. I think it's possible we see more of those games wthin the next couple years bc XB if not PS6.

That's all. Just saying...if you can be prepared, and it doesn't cost a lot more, you should. If you don't want to be, or that is not a priority to you, that is your prerogative. I'm just giving a heads up.
Ofc you can turn down settings (or scaling level) to an extent, but that hassle isn't worth the $50 imho if your experience can be better. And I truly think it will be, because everything points in that direction.

 

[Bomby569]

Same here in the UK, just rather 20% more than MSRP. Questionable, but available at least.

here, there are no 9070XT's and the cheapest 9070 is 770 euros (at launch they were 699 and 649 the cheapest ones)

but there is 5070's for 789 and 5070ti's for 900 euros (i have no idea what they cost at launch tbh)

i can't call it either way, same price, low availability.
Most shops had only a few cards at launch, most of them very far from MSRP+taxes

There was never a moment when 9070's went out of stock, so there is plenty of stock, the problem is the price

 

[AusWolf]

I actually explained it in my wall of text. You should read them, as you may become enlightened.

Let's put this another way. Next gen is almost-certainly going to use 36gbps and 40gbps memory (with similar cache structure to what nVIDIA currently uses, albeit it might be a L3 instead of L2 etc).

They will likely be 6144sp/12288/18432sp. This would be equalized to 3780 or 4200mhz, probably 225/450/675W spec.
It likely the 36gbps SKU will actually just have some shaders disabled per die (say 1920 instead of 2048).

For instance:

6144 @ 4200/40000 = 9070 xt @ 3150mhz. This is fast-enough to meet the spec I have explained going on 3000 times across both raster and RT.
5760 @ 4000/36000 = Still faster than the capability of 9070. It would likely OC to hit 50TF.

Hope that simplified it for you. 9070 will be obsoleted right away, and it already kind of is. It's just that not everyone plays games with those requirements yet.

It's okay...I know when those games come out everyone will complain. But the point is that that is why I am explaining it you...So you know it's coming and don't make a bad decision.

That's speculation. One shouldn't buy any hardware with only the future in mind, as the future is fluid and you never know what it brings. There might come some revolutionary new technology that makes every current gen GPU obsolete. Or we might get another episode of Nvidia 50-series stagnation. Who knows. God forbid, you could also die in 6 months, and then you've spent your last 6 months speculating about future GPUs instead of playing your games. Crude example, but not totally unrealistic.

here, there are no 9070XT's and the cheapest 9070 is 770 euros (at launch they were 699 and 649 the cheapest ones)

but there is 5070's for 789 and 5070ti's for 900 euros (i have no idea what they cost at launch tbh)

i can't call it either way, same price, low availability.
Most shops had only a few cards at launch, most of them very far from MSRP+taxes

There was never a moment when 9070's went out of stock, so there is plenty of stock, the problem is the price

At Scan UK:

The only RDNA 4 cards in stock at the moment.

Edit: The only 5070 in stock is the MSi Gaming Trio OC for £709.98.