Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

[jpvalverde85]

It's still 10-20% slower in RT than a 5070Ti, it's improved for sure but nothing to celebrate imo
Also look at performance numbers of RT in Wukong...

Why I would give any atention to Wukong? Is literally NV RT payola, has to be documented but isn't in the median, just an extreme scenario, like the gazillion hidden polygons at Crysis 2 just to make some not sponsoring vendor look bad on purpose. Tech has to be workable to enhance the experience of the user (all of them), being tessellation, shaders, raytracing, upscaling, etc, so making harder for everyone else but you isn't illegal but somewhat immoral, makes you an arse*. Now zooming out, AMD RT got really close to RTX 4000 which is pretty solid given that RTX 5000 performs overall comically close to 4000 (just more tensor and RT bang), and FSR 4 using tensor cores did a significant leap and the power they provide could enable in the future to enhance the upscaling model.

Rather than watching Wukong, I'm more puzzled at why CS2 shows low max fps values (mins are okayish).

 

[LittleBro]

@W1zzard Any info on when are you planning to release reviews of other RX 9070 XTs? Thanks! (I'm not rushing.)

 

[BigMack70]

AMD can have as much control over AIB pricing as the contracts say they do. I'm not privy to the details of those contracts, but from my observations it certainly doesn't appear that AMD currently has "complete control over the pricing".

If AMD wanted to enforce MSRP availability, they could.

They are not the "good guys" here. They are taking advantage of the same scummy scalping practices that Nvidia is. In other words, they're doing what they have been doing for 15 years - ride Nvidia's coat tails to an incredibly underwhelming 2nd place "we're the knock off brand and proud of it!" market position.

$600 is not a real price for the 9070 XT, the 9070 XT sucks anywhere north of that price, and both of those realities are 100% on AMD.

Crysis 2

No AMD thread is complete without the Crysis 2 copium

 

[RUSerious]

If AMD wanted to enforce MSRP availability, they could.

With a 10% market share that would be suicide. They NEED the AIBs to be on board at whatever price they want to charge. Nvidia on the other hand....

 

[BigMack70]

With a 10% market share that would be suicide. They NEED the AIBs to be on board at whatever price they want to charge. Nvidia on the other hand....

I think this is completely backwards.

If AMD wants market share and to become relevant as a GPU maker, they need to make extremely aggressive moves and sell their GPUs at the lowest price possible, even if that means making less than desired profits in the short term. This means they provide GPUs to AIBs at a cost where the AIBs can sell at MSRP and make profit. And it means they use their leverage as the GPU provider to prevent bad behavior from AIBs.

They are doing neither of these things. And I guarantee you they are not going above 10% market share with $750+ 9070 XTs.

 

[medi01]

$600 is not a real price for the 9070 XT

Alas it is not. At least not for now. Although it's not that far right now.

9070 XT sucks anywhere north of that price

Certainly not "anywhere".
Without competition, just sticking to AMD's own cards, even at $750 it's a step forward vs last gen.

Only if 5070Ti (5% faster at raster, 15% at RT) goes anywhere near that $750 mark it stops making sesne to get 9070XT.

In Germany, the cheapest "$750 5070Ti" is sold for 1150 Euro, cough.

9070XT is at 820 Euro, runs circles around 5070Ti at perf/$.

NOTE: Germany has 19% VAT. So "real $600" price is 720 Euro.

 

[BigMack70]

Without competition, just sticking to AMD's own cards, even at $750 it's a step forward vs last gen.

A baby step at best. A $100 discount on the 7900 XTX with better upscaling and RT at the cost of 8GB less VRAM and a tiny hit to raster performance. Very hard to call that a win, and it's going to do nothing to further AMD's market position. In other words, it sucks.

Sometimes I don't think people on tech forums get the big picture here. The fact that people on tech forums can craft long winded arguments to prove that AMD's offering is in fact a bit better than Nvidia's garbage offerings does. not. matter. If AMD is going to produce a product that meaningfully helps their brand and market share, it needs to be so blindingly obvious that it's better than anything Nvidia has that actual consumers who don't listen to Moore's Law is Dead podcasts - i.e. 90% of customers - will consider buying it. AMD is close to that with a $600 price point. They are way off base at $750+

 

[medi01]

A $100 discount

MSRP is compared to MSRP and not "clear inventory" price years after release.
It is a $250 discount at $750 and $400 at $600.