Can anyone else replicate this crash on the 9070?

[newsunrise0130]

I have a very specific crash in Cyberpunk which has persisted from my AM4 system to my now 7600X/9070 PC.

What happens:
1. Enable path-tracing
2. Just play as I usually would (driving, walking, combat)
3. GPU crash. Not just game crash, the GPU crashes and sometimes doesn't reset (have to reset my PC)

I used to use a 6800 and figured it was just overwhelmed. Fair enough, it's not a good card for RT anyways. But the 9070 can RT/PT like a 4070 yet has the exact same problem. At this point I feel like this is an issue with the game but I've not seen reviewers comment on anything about crashing during their Cyberpunk tests. It feels kind of bad to know that this card could do path-tracing but just keeps crashing. If you can replicate this problem let me know.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

which has persisted from my AM4 system to my now 7600X/9070 PC.

What you have there is a software problem. Windows/System isn't stable or your install of the game is jank.

 

[newsunrise0130]

What you have there is a software problem. Windows/System isn't stable or your install of the game is jank.

It's the GOG install so either CDPR still hasn't fixed their game or there's something in the background that interacts awkwardly with Cyberpunk like you suggest. But I couldn't even point you to what I think the problem is.

 

[r.h.p]

Are you getting A crash to black screen or Blue screen ? Do you have to reset at the psu or case ? Im not seeing any Specs? Except what you said at first

I've been diagnosing crashes for almost 2 months now so im getting pretty good at it lol

 

[AusWolf]

What you have there is a software problem. Windows/System isn't stable or your install of the game is jank.

Exactly my thoughts.

One single game crashing with two different graphics cards is not a card issue.

 

[Zazigalka]

JUST path tracing or both ray tracing and path tracing ? how about rasterization ?

3. GPU crash. Not just game crash, the GPU crashes and sometimes doesn't reset (have to reset my PC)

gpu/gpu driver issue.

 

[newsunrise0130]

Are you getting A crash to black screen or Blue screen ? Do you have to reset at the psu or case ? Im not seeing any Specs? Except what you said at first

I've been diagnosing crashes for almost 2 months now so im getting pretty good at it lol

I'll list my specs and what changed:

CPU: 5600X -> 7600X
GPU: MSI Z-Trio RX 6800 -> Sapphire Nitro+ RX 9070
MOBO: MSI B550 Tomahawk -> AsRock B650M-HDV/M.2
RAM: 32GB Corsair DDR4 3200MHz -> 32GB Corsair DDR5 6000MHz
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin King 90mm
Storage: x2 Samsung 990 Pro 1TB
PSU: MSI A550BN
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow
OS: Windows 11 Home
Monitor: x2 HP Omen 25i 165Hz

What happens after crashing is inconsistent. Sometimes it returns to the desktop like a normal game crash, other times it black screens or my display stop working (my monitors will say they can't detect anything). My PC will still be on and I then reset from my case. Never had a blue screen.

JUST path tracing or both ray tracing and path tracing ? how about rasterization ?


gpu/gpu driver issue.

Only path-tracing. Ray-tracing never crashed even on my 6800. Raster is flawless.

I would have assumed GPU issue and left it at that if it wasn't still happening on my 9070. What I don't get is that this isn't a common problem since reviewers test path-tracing on AMD all the time. So it's specific to something about my PC.

 

[Macro Device]

I have three letters for you:
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[Dr. Dro]

PSU: MSI A550BN

Here, caught it. This is why your 9070 is crashing under PT workload. Tier C power supply completely maxed out with those specs. 550 W is barest minimum recommendation for the reference design 9070, but you've got a Nitro, plus a lot of other components that added up will easily max out this power supply. Since you upgraded the entire machine, look at getting a quality 750 W unit. Never save a couple of bucks on the PSU, the bill that may come later far exceeds that amount.

That power supply is not adequate for anything above an RTX 4060/6600 XT IMHO. Cyberpunk will stress GPU and your 7600X to the brink with PT enabled, so you're running that power supply to the very limit.

 

[Macro Device]

Here, caught it. This is why your 9070 is crashing under PT workload. Tier C power supply completely maxed out with those specs.

550 W is barest minimum recommendation for the reference design 9070, but you've got a Nitro, plus a lot of other components that added up will easily max out this power supply. Since you upgraded the entire machine, look at getting a quality 750 W unit. Never save a couple of bucks on the PSU, the bill that may come later far exceeds that amount.

PT in Cyberpunk outright tanks power consumption because almost all raster cores are idling because RT cores ain't nearly up to the task. I've seen >100 W drops in power consumption on my 6700 XT after enabling path tracing. Yes, RDNA2 RT cores are THAT bad.

OP's problem is software related. Most likely butchered drivers (which happens A LOT with AMD GPUs).

 

[newsunrise0130]

I have three letters for you:
D
D
U

I'll do you one better, I completely reset my system and reinstalled Windows last night. Re-downloading Cyberpunk to test again.

Here, caught it. This is why your 9070 is crashing under PT workload. Tier C power supply completely maxed out with those specs. 550 W is barest minimum recommendation for the reference design 9070, but you've got a Nitro, plus a lot of other components that added up will easily max out this power supply. Since you upgraded the entire machine, look at getting a quality 750 W unit. Never save a couple of bucks on the PSU, the bill that may come later far exceeds that amount.

That power supply is not adequate for anything above an RTX 4060/6600 XT IMHO. Cyberpunk will stress GPU and your 7600X to the brink with PT enabled, so you're running that power supply to the very limit.

Wouldn't my entire PC shut down if the PSU was overloaded? I don't know how PSUs work exactly. I need to upgrade it regardless but just wondering why my PC remains on.

 

[Macro Device]

I completely reset my system and reinstalled Windows last night

Yes, that'll definitely rule SW issues out. Still bugs out, it's on hardware. RAM stability is to be checked.

 

[Dr. Dro]

PT in Cyberpunk outright tanks power consumption because almost all raster cores are idling because RT cores ain't nearly up to the task. I've seen >100 W drops in power consumption on my 6700 XT after enabling path tracing. Yes, RDNA2 RT cores are THAT bad.

OP's problem is software related. Most likely butchered drivers (which happens A LOT with AMD GPUs).

Cyberpunk is the de facto pathtracing benchmark, if there was anything busted on the drivers regarding PT/RT on Cyberpunk we'd know by now. Given it's an MSI A550BN, possibly one of the very cheapest power supplies available right now, that is my prime suspect. That power supply has to be replaced, it's very low end and it has no business being on a gaming PC of that caliber. It's just junk.

Vietnamese site did the most indepth review I could find, I wouldn't put this thing to power a machine with half of OP's build requirements.

REVIEW - MSI MAG A550BN (550W)

www.f14lab.org

MAG A550BN is double forward topology with Schottky rectifiers on the 12V line, Jun Fu and CapXon capacitors. It's a miracle it holds Bronze under load, this power supply is that bad, to the point I'm second guessing my earlier post about powering a 4060 max with it. Nope.

Wouldn't my entire PC shut down if the PSU was overloaded? I don't know how PSUs work exactly. I need to upgrade it regardless but just wondering why my PC remains on.

Not necessarily, no. And you can easily verify it's the power supply if your crashes stop when you undervolt and underclock your card. Apply a power limit of like 120 W if it allows you to, if it stops, you have the root cause. But I'm very serious when I say this power supply needs to be replaced. It's not adequate for this system.

 

[newsunrise0130]

Not necessarily, no. And you can easily verify it's the power supply if your crashes stop when you undervolt and underclock your card. Apply a power limit of like 120 W if it allows you to, if it stops, you have the root cause. But I'm very serious when I say this power supply needs to be replaced. It's not adequate for this system.

Ah I didn't know it was that bad . It was just something I picked out back on my AM4 build since it had good reviews but I guess it was just never pushed hard enough. I don't think I can apply a specific power limit but I can negatively offset a few things to limit it as best as I can. I'll try this and then see if I still crash.

 

[Dr. Dro]

You should be able to set the power limit to a negative offset, just reduce it to the minimum the slider will go. Will work for testing - in that case, no need to touch anything else. In fact, best not to, as that can also introduce stability issues.

That power supply is okay for only the most basic of entry level PCs, like a very basic dGPU at most, personally I wouldn't go beyond iGPU with it. The safety features should technically work, but it's an incredibly rudimentary, inefficient design for modern PCs, and MSI picked the cheapest, lowest grade components they could find that would still result in a reliable product.

 

[newsunrise0130]

You should be able to set the power limit to a negative offset, just reduce it to the minimum the slider will go. Will work for testing - in that case, no need to touch anything else. In fact, best not to, as that can also introduce stability issues.

Alright, it goes as low as -30%. In theory, the maximum power consumption should go from 240W to 168W. I'll test that when Cyberpunk is finished in about 30 minutes and report back.

 

[Clanseven]

Never, ever skimp on a PSU. All GPU's have power spikes way above their quoted consumption. Your PSU is woefully inadequate. If your CPU and GPU are your PC's brain, then the PSU is its heart. It needs to provide stable, solid voltage and current to all the components for them to operate correctly. Get yourself a quality PSU of at least 750 watts. Plenty of reviews available on this site.

 

[r.h.p]

I'll list my specs and what changed:

CPU: 5600X -> 7600X
GPU: MSI Z-Trio RX 6800 -> Sapphire Nitro+ RX 9070
MOBO: MSI B550 Tomahawk -> AsRock B650M-HDV/M.2
RAM: 32GB Corsair DDR4 3200MHz -> 32GB Corsair DDR5 6000MHz
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin King 90mm
Storage: x2 Samsung 990 Pro 1TB
PSU: MSI A550BN
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow
OS: Windows 11 Home
Monitor: x2 HP Omen 25i 165Hz

What happens after crashing is inconsistent. Sometimes it returns to the desktop like a normal game crash, other times it black screens or my display stop working (my monitors will say they can't detect anything). My PC will still be on and I then reset from my case. Never had a blue screen.


Only path-tracing. Ray-tracing never crashed even on my 6800. Raster is flawless.

I would have assumed GPU issue and left it at that if it wasn't still happening on my 9070. What I don't get is that this isn't a common problem since reviewers test path-tracing on AMD all the time. So it's specific to something about my PC.

ok

..... here we go ill try . ive seen this before. It was when a graphics card was connected to 1x6 into the psu / 8+8 cable into the Gpu.
other times it black screens or my display stop working (my monitors will say they can't detect anything). My PC will still be on and I then reset from my case. Never had a blue screen.
The solution was too add another cable to the psu and GPU ,which must have gave it more juice. It didnt look pretty from what i recall ,2 cables with 2x6+ 2x 8 + 2 extra 8 pin connections floating around lol
Look , it seems to me a psu issue , and with the new 12v cable ur using ...or am i wrong ?

 

[Zazigalka]

Yeah it's the psu

 

[Bomby569]

Wouldn't my entire PC shut down if the PSU was overloaded? I don't know how PSUs work exactly. I need to upgrade it regardless but just wondering why my PC remains on.

don't go buying another PSU because some rando on the internet said do. Run something like Heaven benchmark or ideally furmark and see if it crashes, if not it's not the PSU

 

[Clanseven]

don't go buying another PSU because some rando on the internet said do. Run something like Heaven benchmark or ideally furmark and see if it crashes, if not it's not the PSU

For a start, Furmark and Heaven benchmarks don't use path tracing or raytracing, which it seems initiates the issue, neither do they display the sort of transients power spikes that Cyberpunk does in my own system. I understand you have no idea of my background, but as a 64 year old with over 30 years of pc building experience, my best guess is his his PSU is unable to supply a stable 12v to his GPU under extreme load.

 

[r.h.p]

don't go buying another PSU because some rando on the internet said do. Run something like Heaven benchmark or ideally furmark and see if it crashes, if not it's not the PSU

this is were your you could be wrong
...Furmark only stresses the GPU and playing a Game / wateva blender or what , uses CPU/GPU/RAM/MOBO. IF ur psu isnt delivering enough juice it WILL crash to Black screen and still power the basics like
cpu fan etc but lose the ability to control itself EG: restart from case or in worse case psu switch

 

[Prognatodon]

this is were your you could be wrong

Or not. If it's the very case ur describing, and it's one braid with two 6+2pin cables branching off of it messing things up. Which is all this PSU model has, it's non-modular. But yea, IDK who even runs JUST FurMark and no kind of CPU stress test simultaneously, if the goal is to hunt down any power issues, that part didn't even cross my mind.

 

[newsunrise0130]

@Dr. Dro @r.h.p

1. Tested the -30% power limit, GPU power peaked at 170W, no crashes for a while but eventually game/adrenaline crash. This is a good sign because the GPU didn't crash, just the software.
2. I set the power limit to -20% to fix the instability. Worked like a charm, played at maximum settings, Ultra + Path-Tracing, for 15 minutes fighting in heavy combat against the police. GPU never went above 197W.

3. I returned everything to default, GPU instantly started consuming 240W and I crashed after 10 seconds. This time it damn-near bricked my system...One display stopped working so I reset my PC. But then neither display was working. Tried the motherboard display since the 7600X has a integrated graphics, still not working. Had to clear CMOS and it booted up again.

Look , it seems to me a psu issue , and with the new 12v cable ur using ...or am i wrong ?

PSU issue it seems but the 12v cable is actually doing just fine. I opened up the backplate last night after (it's magnetic) and I see no sign of damage or smell anything burning.

Never, ever skimp on a PSU. All GPU's have power spikes way above their quoted consumption. Your PSU is woefully inadequate. If your CPU and GPU are your PC's brain, then the PSU is its heart. It needs to provide stable, solid voltage and current to all the components for them to operate correctly. Get yourself a quality PSU of at least 750 watts. Plenty of reviews available on this site.

I'm going to order a better PSU and keep my GPU power-limited until that arrives. Didn't realise I was playing this close to fire (literally).

 

[r.h.p]

yeah it sucks when this shit happens eh .. trust me i know. BUT it sounds the same as what i had described. I still could be wrong though if someone else has another theory