Quad Extreme project

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

well hey, since everyone is talking TEC in here.....

Im buying the parts for my TEC soon and Im putting together the kit and I want to go through the steps to figure it out before I get it.

When I put the Copper plate inbetween my apogee gt and my peltier cooler, should I just squeeze it in or should I somehow brace the whole system.

I was thinking of laying out my weatherstripping out so that the peltier and the copper plate rest in there real nicely

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

and oh one more....

It goes

Apogee GT
then
Peltier Hot Side
Peltier Cold Side
then
Copper Plate
then
CPU

Is that right?

DaMulta · Jan 27, 2008

Yes that is right.

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

DaMulta said:
Yes that is right.

cool, thank you

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

Do you think a 245watt would work fine, or should I go higher
The temps are normally like 56 - 59 on the cores, its cool in the house now
I want this to be good for keeping me cool in the summer, it gets warm in the house

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

and do I want to put thermal paste between all the layers or just the CPU/Copper?

Seems like it could help will it interfere with anything?

DaMulta · Jan 27, 2008

On all of the layers.

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

very good, do I want to lap the copper plate?

Random Murderer · Jan 27, 2008

it should be pre-mirrored if you get a good one.

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

its from frozen CPU, doesnt look to well finsihed

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2410/exp-03/50x50mm_Copper_Cold_Plate.html

Random Murderer · Jan 27, 2008

asb2106 said:
its from frozen CPU, doesnt look to well finsihed

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2410/exp-03/50x50mm_Copper_Cold_Plate.html

yea, lap that sonovab...

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

Random Murderer said:
yea, lap that sonovab...

im getting the parts on wednesday(orderin all monday mornin) and Ill post results, I prob start a new forum though!

Wile E · Jan 27, 2008

asb2106 said:
core temps are always higher than the CPU temp, and a probe will tell you surface temp, the cores are internal, who knows, maybe there is a bug with the qx but every dual/quad proc Ive ever had the cores are always more than the surface CPU temp

You're not understanding. The core temps are not reading properly. He cannot use the core temps, they are wrong.

Head over to the Wolfdale/Yorkfield watch and performance thread. The 45nm chips have bad core diodes. This is also the reason Intel has pushed the release date back for the notebook 45nm chips. Apparently Intel feels accurate core temp reporting is not important on a desktop, but is on a laptop.

They say that it starts to report more accurately at higher temps, but that won't happen with this TEC.

And I have to agree Mand, I expected more from a 400W+ TEC. Really need to get that probe, or maybe you need more pump. Perhaps 2 in series?

asb2106 · Jan 27, 2008

Wile E said:
You're not understanding. The core temps are not reading properly. He cannot use the core temps, they are wrong.

Head over to the Wolfdale/Yorkfield watch and performance thread. The 45nm chips have bad core diodes. This is also the reason Intel has pushed the release date back for the notebook 45nm chips. Apparently Intel feels accurate core temp reporting is not important on a desktop, but is on a laptop.

They say that it starts to report more accurately at higher temps, but that won't happen with this TEC.

And I have to agree Mand, I expected more from a 400W+ TEC. Really need to get that probe, or maybe you need more pump. Perhaps 2 in series?

dude, I said maybe there was a bug, how the hell could I not understand.... read

Wile E · Jan 28, 2008

asb2106 said:
dude, I said maybe there was a bug, how the hell could I not understand.... read

I was just trying to point out that it's on more than his quad. A good portion of the Wolfdales and Yorkfields have the problem.

Plus, I slightly misunderstood where you were going with your comment. Saying that core temps are always higher led me to believe you meant his were reading correctly. I took it in the wrong context.

asb2106 · Jan 28, 2008

Wile E said:
I was just trying to point out that it's on more than his quad. A good portion of the Wolfdales and Yorkfields have the problem.

Plus, I slightly misunderstood where you were going with your comment. Saying that core temps are always higher led me to believe you meant his were reading correctly. I took it in the wrong context.

my bad too! sorry,

rough time now, just killed my 3870

Wile E · Jan 28, 2008

asb2106 said:
my bad too! sorry,

rough time now, just killed my 3870

That blows man. Can you rma?

CDdude55 · Jan 28, 2008

asb2106 said:
my bad too! sorry,

rough time now, just killed my 3870

Thats just a excuse to get a 3870 X2! :rockout:

mandelore · Jan 28, 2008

on a side note:

DaMulta · Jan 28, 2008

Where's that 3dmark06 CPU score

asb2106 · Jan 28, 2008

Wile E said:
That blows man. Can you rma?

gonna try today, dont see why not, theres no physical damages whatsover

asb2106 · Jan 28, 2008

CDdude55 said:
Thats just a excuse to get a 3870 X2!

seems to be the most likely answer

mandelore · Jan 30, 2008

Progress, sort of...

Righto, i got cheesed off, replumbed my loop and tightened the coldplate on the Arctic Web block. (think the temperatures are maybe due to flow restriction? possibly..)

Anyways, since doing this i have noticed that the temperatures do not move at all now, neither the core temp readings nor the speedfan cpu temperature!!

progress of a sort. heres a comparison of a occt run at 22min (ish) remaining of a 30 min run.

one with the original plumbing and the other post re-plumb. as you can see the results are quite remarkable, need to test under 100% each core load at 4ghz, but at 4ghz, when playing any game, the cpu remains at 9c :rockout:

the occt runs were at stock speeds for a base comparison (also i only had the original screenies from stock speeds anyways, tho i have graphs saved from 4ghz runs which ill post soon, as graphical comparisons will be far better)

anyways:

Original loop setup @3ghz full load

New loop setup @3ghz full load

And heres a quick cut 'n paste job on the pics inc idles for easy comparison:

asb2106 · Jan 30, 2008

very nice! how you like the 9650?

mandelore · Jan 30, 2008

its pretty damn sweet, its completely fixed my Never winters nights: mask of the betrayer extreme low fps issue, i can now even run every single setting maxed @ 1920x1200 smooth and apparently with a very high fps reguardless of my 2900xt's clock speeds

same with unreal tourny 3, every maxed out, vsinc, i dont get less than 58ish fps, when uncapped im running 90-100+fps. intensive battles, lots of carnage maybe as low as 70fps

memory bandwidths breaking 10k in sandra, and when gaming etc i can run all sorts of crap without worrying about bogging down the cpu.

However, about the cooling, i think im gonna need to upgrade to 1/2" tubing, which sucks as im gonna have to do alot of replumbing etc, as Todd, the guy who assembles the Arctic Webs is getting -9C idle on his QX6700 @ 3.7ghz, and 6C load, Im still certain that the core readings are erronious, and im not even 10000% certain that the cpu temp is accurate :rolleyes:

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Quad Extreme project

asb2106

asb2106

DaMulta

My stars went supernova

asb2106

asb2106

asb2106

DaMulta

My stars went supernova

asb2106

Random Murderer

The Anti-Midas

asb2106

Random Murderer

The Anti-Midas

asb2106

Wile E

Power User

asb2106

Wile E

Power User

asb2106

Wile E

Power User

CDdude55

Crazy 4 TPU!!!

mandelore

DaMulta

My stars went supernova

asb2106

asb2106

mandelore

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mandelore

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