Horrible pictures of dead caps

[cdawall]

cdawall - ah, that! You are saying that JetWay another OEM name is also Machspeed I was under impression that you are suggesting us that JetWay mobos run as fast, as speed of the Mach And I strongly disagree with that!
Another OEM name for JetWay is Magic-pro It is same in the bad caps. Bad caps pop out in different names, yet it is all the same old crap there, see there:
http://capsmod.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=109&extra=page=1
GSC = Evercon = SACON = Capsun

As for the mainboard, the first duo is almost exactly the same, true, but there are differences in caps and mosfets near PSU connector and the Vcore mosfets soldering points do differ as well. But I do agree that these are minor differences and the boards are very likely from one maker, just different revisions for different components. Slightly.
2-phase voltage regulator is laughable crap. That could be enough for like a Pentium II mainboards, but never for todays CPUs. I wonder how long it took, before you have to RMA it.

The second duo of mainboards are also almost same - except the last Vcore cap being polymer and there are option to close and not use the additional PSU pins - they are same. So I would quess that you are right. At lest the second mobo use 3 phase Vcore, but still... This is suitable for AXP, but not for AMD64 - much less dualcore...



China made capacitor - and beware, this is not shopped!

the K8M8MS has a rev 1 and 2 i have had both and the rev 2 has a much better vcore management to it maybe thats the difference between the boards.

as for the 2 phase regulator it hasn't let me down yet its been running oc'd and such for years and i have never had an issue

 

[trodas]

Laurijan - put it there for me And this is, sadly, not crazy. I wish it was, but it is not.


Mussels - well, for crazy, see above And as for illegal, well, go on and sue them. But then you can and should ALSO sue every company using bad caps for cheating on their customers and while charging them for quality stuff, they give them crap that is known to fail miserably and never meet the guaranted lifetime.
Yes, usage of bad caps should be outlawed. However there is a slight problem. EVERY compuer company use and used bad caps...! So the list of defendants will be considerably long. Yet I would love to hear them swear that they did not know, that they are bad caps or fakes I would bet that they try say that this is their supplier problem, not theirs. How can they know?! They sure purchase their caps in the "good intentions" to provide customers with affordable HW from some schmuck or fake frontman bussines that did no exist anymore and they are innocent in the end
No, they have no idea, why the schmuck prices are like half of what the sme Panny FJ caps cost from Panasonic (Asus might say) They did that FOR the customers, you know They will sure claim that it is "not known" that CTC VENT caps bulge, leak and cause miserable failures of the top-end Enermax Liberty 620W PSU line How the hell they should know? When they did not skip on caps too much in earlier designs, then these PSUs even with bad caps easily make it thru the RMA time, so... they was not aware that there is a problem with all the VENT caps
Etc.

Like I say - it would be fun


Grings - true However it is only 2200uF and not 6800uF as sold for and for 35V only, not for 50V... So if someone use them at 40, 45V for prolonged period of time, well... also thanks to poor ventilation the Ruby sure fail. Overvolting kills any cap, good or bad. Some withstand a lot of abuse (Panny being best in this regard, Nichicon worst), but they will fail with a short period of time still. I would say max. month or two...


cdawall -

as for the 2 phase regulator it hasn't let me down yet

I would still insist that 2-phase regulator is useless with todays CPU's and you perhaps did not fold or stress the machine in any way. That is the only way I could attribute your machine life


Even Apple sometimes use bad caps - but these looks as Nichicons HN, witch are quality ones (except for one bad batch). The catch? HN(M) stays for Nichicon, yes, but these are black-white, not black-gold. Only gold ones in Nichicon line are HZ ones... Hence they are fakes and Apple bought fake caps and then selling hatdware with them to their customers... that will fail. Amazing.

Real Nichicon HM with Nichicon HZ on my own mainbaord:

 

[cdawall]

cdawall -
I would still insist that 2-phase regulator is useless with todays CPU's and you perhaps did not fold or stress the machine in any way. That is the only way I could attribute your machine life

i ran video conversions on it for years other than folding it wont get much more stressfull than that and as you can see i do oc the crap outta components on this thing

dont get this wrong im not arguing that 2-phase is good im just saying it works fine on mine

 

[Mussels]

i ran video conversions on it for years other than folding it wont get much more stressfull than that and as you can see i do oc the crap outta components on this thing

dont get this wrong im not arguing that 2-phase is good im just saying it works fine on mine

ambient temps, humidity, and quality of the PSU all add up to help it last longer.

I've been using OCZ PSU's for ages, which some people rant on about the ripple and how it makes things go boom - i cant even remember the last system that died of mine, where it wasnt my direct fault. I've never had capacitors die on my rigs, probably because i never max them out - i find the max OC, and choose the nearest that i like the temps/volts.
(this current rig does 3.8GHz at 70C load, so i went 3.6GHz for 60-62C load)

 

[ThePoliceAreOutside]

This thread coudn't help remind me of this classic YTMND

and the winner goes to...

http://bioshockd.ytmnd.com/

 

[Laurijan]

This thread coudn't help remind me of this classic YTMND

and the winner goes to...

http://bioshockd.ytmnd.com/

Has probably to do with the higher power consumption during demanding gaming maybe a undersized PSU..

 

[Mussels]

looks like a really old PSU too.

 

[p_o_s_pc]

looks like a really old PSU too.

I agree it does looks like an old PSU...BUT I have seen newer PSUs that are lower quality that look like a old PSU.. So I think it is a PSU that is low quality (one that came in a case) or an old one.

 

[cdawall]

that looks like a low end 300w or so and i bet he has a 2600XT or so vid card and it just went boom and the pic for those of you who are blocked by filters...

 

[Skrabrug]

I misread the thread title and thought it said "Horrible pictures of dead cats" and was like "Wtf?".

 

[Namslas90]

I call B.S. on that; the parts and the circuit board are way too old...LOL

 

[Mussels]

it looks like an AT PSU, not an ATX. its just too bare - look how big the legs on that chip are near the char mark, that mofo is hueg!

 

[cdawall]

it looks like an AT PSU, not an ATX. its just too bare - look how big the legs on that chip are near the char mark, that mofo is hueg!

it cant be real big it has no massive HS in it

 

[trodas]

Skrabrug - LOL Wel, I can assure you, that no cat was harmed producing any of my pictures. The same could not be said about humans, tough. I suffered partial temporary hearing loss after G-Luxon cap exploded about 2 feet from my face...


Namslas90 -

I call B.S. on that; the parts and the circuit board are way too old...LOL

Why BS? Obviously the PSU went bad. No surprise with bad caps. Old PSU? And what? Even a shortest life good caps are guaranted to last 15 years - if you check my table, you know that already - so, was the PSU 15 year old? No, far less, right?
So, bad caps is up to blame



OST cap on Asus P5AD2 Premium, used roughly half year with P4 3.6 GHz (Prescott rev D0 (119A current draw...) )

 

[trodas]

HP Pavilion, TMS caps, user crazy4offroad, Abit forum.

 

[trodas]

MSI board 6163 with Chhsi caps, user mech13, SvetHardware.cz forum.

 

[cdawall]

abit KT7-RAID the affected parts were all four JPCON 10 Volt, 2200microFarad capacitors and one of the smaller JPCON 6.3V 2200microFarad caps.



pic from pcstats.com

 

[Random Murderer]

MSI board 6163 with Chhsi caps, user mech13, SvetHardware.cz forum.

it's about time that board got retired anyway... it's a slot-style-processor board!

 

[trodas]

Random Murderer - well, even a old Slot1 mobo can has it's uses. For old games, as low-load server... This board run P3 Katmai 450 O/C to almost 600Mhz, so... if I get suitable replacement mosfets, I try to make it work again. There is a chance. Not very big one, but there it is
Do you have a Slot1 Pentium3?



JetWay N2PAP Ultra with Evercon caps

(Evercon = GSC = Sacon = Apsun)

 

[Random Murderer]

Random Murderer - well, even a old Slot1 mobo can has it's uses. For old games, as low-load server... This board run P3 Katmai 450 O/C to almost 600Mhz, so... if I get suitable replacement mosfets, I try to make it work again. There is a chance. Not very big one, but there it is
Do you have a Slot1 Pentium3?

yes, why? do you want it?

 

[tkpenalty]

cdawall - ah, that! You are saying that JetWay another OEM name is also Machspeed I was under impression that you are suggesting us that JetWay mobos run as fast, as speed of the Mach And I strongly disagree with that!
Another OEM name for JetWay is Magic-pro It is same in the bad caps. Bad caps pop out in different names, yet it is all the same old crap there, see there:
http://capsmod.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=109&extra=page=1
GSC = Evercon = SACON = Capsun

As for the mainboard, the first duo is almost exactly the same, true, but there are differences in caps and mosfets near PSU connector and the Vcore mosfets soldering points do differ as well. But I do agree that these are minor differences and the boards are very likely from one maker, just different revisions for different components. Slightly.
2-phase voltage regulator is laughable crap. That could be enough for like a Pentium II mainboards, but never for todays CPUs. I wonder how long it took, before you have to RMA it.

The second duo of mainboards are also almost same - except the last Vcore cap being polymer and there are option to close and not use the additional PSU pins - they are same. So I would quess that you are right. At lest the second mobo use 3 phase Vcore, but still... This is suitable for AXP, but not for AMD64 - much less dualcore...



China made capacitor - and beware, this is not shopped!

This seriously makes me worry, some of my caps have a black casing in one of my old PSU-arent they supposed to have an aluminium vent? I guess the outer casing prevents people from realising that the capacitor exploded... how dodgy.

 

[trodas]

Random Murderer -

Do you have a Slot1 Pentium3?

yes, why? do you want it?

Well, yes. I never had it, only crappy Celeron II Slot1 things and it would give me a reason why resuscitate (or at least try) the MSI 6163 pro board - as the upper mosfet is fryed up badly and the mobo did not post anymore.
If that fail, I use this Slot1 P3 as good excuse to recap others Slot1 still (not entierly reliable - Licon caps, G-Luxon caps) posting mainboards I have - AOpen AX6LC, PC Chips M761 and Tomato BXv98-AT


Snake05 - maybe next time


tkpenalty -

This seriously makes me worry, some of my caps have a black casing in one of my old PSU-arent they supposed to have an aluminium vent?

Yes, they must have aluminium vent, because of security reasons. Believe or not, but the force of the cap explosion (there is also hydrogen and we all know what happen to Challenger) is quite considerable and I was once near (2 feet) exploding G-Luxon (luckily it just wanted, or I was not here!) cap and I must tell you, I lost my hearing for short period of time. Do not underestiminate the force. Of course I was close to my KGZ caps on DFI LP B explosion in case (thanks to Fuhjyyu caps in PSU), about 3 feet and it was not much bad this time, so it differ... Yet still the vents are not there for fun.

Maybe the vent are bellow the black casing? Check that out.

I guess the outer casing prevents people from realising that the capacitor exploded... how dodgy.

You never can "not realize" the caps exploded. I can guarantee you that much
Even if you are not close, the machine in question will stop working or even catch fire. You cannot miss that. But it is true, that w/o seeing the vent, you never know the cap is bulging on you and that is dangerous.

 

[candle_86]

ya know whats funny, i have an old board, and i mean old that has never had a cap swapped, and i still use from time to time. For old skool crap when im feeling nostagic

its a Socket2 board if that tells you anything if not its running a 486SX chip and is old enough it gives me the option to add a math coprossor i guess for the SX chips that didnt have the FPU onboard, but strangle no bad caps and the bios says 8/19/90 well over 15 years

 

[cdawall]

i have a math chip

 

[Random Murderer]

Random Murderer -

Well, yes. I never had it, only crappy Celeron II Slot1 things and it would give me a reason why resuscitate (or at least try) the MSI 6163 pro board - as the upper mosfet is fryed up badly and the mobo did not post anymore.
If that fail, I use this Slot1 P3 as good excuse to recap others Slot1 still (not entierly reliable - Licon caps, G-Luxon caps) posting mainboards I have - AOpen AX6LC, PC Chips M761 and Tomato BXv98-AT

it's a p3 500MHz, runs great but no heatsink(last time i used it, i removed the heatsink). if you want it, pm me and we'll discuss shipping.