Microsoft's 'new' OS Gets a Website

[btarunr]

Last week, Microsoft conducted an experiment in San Francisco, USA where 120 users with a negative opinion on Windows Vista were introduced to a new OS to which a majority of them gave positive feedback, only to discover it was Windows Vista under the covers (covered here). Microsoft now wants to publish its results in a new website presumably with promotional tones over its so-far-flop Windows Vista operating system. Results come out in the form of videos, text and presentations. The website titled "The Mojave Experiment" can be reached here.



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[WhiteLotus]

It seems those people are going to feel rather embarrassed. I bet on either that they had never played with Vista, and relied on bad reviews to fuel their negativity - or played with it at the very start when there were all manner of driver issues. Now Vista is settling down and it is turning out to be very good.

However - i wonder just what the test they performed were. All just playing with the way it looks or delving right into the makings of it?

 

[ShinyG]

I agree with WhiteLotus, the 120 users probably never got to use Vista before, so it was pretty easy to "fool" them.
There is something that Microsoft is right about: there are lots of people that bash Vista without trying it. Of course there are also hundreds of people that tried it and hated it, but they are going to be harder to convince. I like their step by step approach. I bet people will start using Vista more if MS would collaborate more with AMD and nVidia to promote DX10 games.
As for me, I tried SP1, looked nice, worked very well on my PC in my sig, but I had problems installing my old Wacom tablet, because Wacom decided not to offer Vista support for serial tablets and force users into paying hundreds of dollars for newer USB tablets... For people not new in the tablet business, Wacom is the MS of tablets, being the biggest manufacturer of decent usable graphics tablets. No competition means they are having hard time convincing users to upgrade, because of the simple fact that their new tablets don't bring anything new to the table, except USB and some extra buttons! Lack of competition is dreadful
So MS is not the only evil doer, hardware manufacturers have their share in Vista's poor adoption rate!

 

[Jess Stingray]

The way it looks, most likely. It's not too difficult to create a new desktop theme.

 

[Nitro-Max]

This is no suprise really i saw this coming and even said vista its self is just a test station and the next operating system with be based on vista but with mass improvement.

 

[Mussels]

all you'd need to do was say, change the colors/theme, and replace all words where it says vista with mojave.


thats kinda the point they're trying to make tho, 90% of people who hate vista have never used it more than 5 minutes. - if at all.

 

[WarEagleAU]

I personally dont hate Vista. My wifes lappy has it. I like it really but its just a hog on resources for her laptop, where as XP wouldnt be

 

[KainXS]

The way it looks, most likely. It's not too difficult to create a new desktop theme.

all they had to do was use windowblinds lol

 

[unsmart]

Maybe MS should look at what they changed to make it Mojave and offer that as a option. Could be people don't like the default theme and don't really know how to change it. Really though if you took Linux and had techs set it up on nice PC most people given 10min would think it's great but give them a disk to take home and it's a different story.

 

[Megasty]

Dang, 120 ppl being pwned at the same time, talk about a Kodak moment

As for me, I don't care about vista being a resource hog or whatever. More or less, I want it to be so. What's the point of having a superpowerful PC if it doesn't get taxed by the OS. You can even turn down vista so it looks & feels just like XP I even have vista running on an 8 yo rig. As these pc parts get more powerful, so should the OS. Bashing something that you haven't even use is plain stupid.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

They only gave people a 10 minute demo, come on folks, think! Some of you based your opinions as if they were fully converted. They were only given a few minutes to observe Vista (some believe is a re-skinned GUI but we don't know), not fully use it on their own time. Then they lied about it instead of saying nothing about it. This is nothing more then pure marketing stunt and, for the most part won't change most users minds about it.

 

[cdawall]

i work at BB and sell desktops/laptops with vista everyday adn there are4 opinons of vista god i'll never use that crap,, doesn't it have a alot of issues with programs, is it as easy to use as XP, and wtf is vista

its really easy to convince response 2, 3 and 4 to get it just out of hey you know the only things that wont work well with vista are VPN, industry specific programs, etc. your using it for web browsing you'll be fine. it still is a MS product and feels like XP did you konw that sort of thing.

now those people dead set on sticking with XP are pains. they all have the same issue vista is slow, vista doesn't work with older computers, i'm used to XP my response to that is vista is slow when you put it on an old single core P3 with 768mb of ram. hence why your getting a new pc. want to konw why old things don't work well with new programs? simple they are old try and find XP drivers for a P1 desktop its the same as finding drivers for a P3 for vista its all about relativity. your new pc will work fine with vista now get over your preconcieved notions that you read on freaking cnet.

those kind of people piss me off. i understand the people who can't use IE beacause they need specific CAD/CAM programs of VPN or sometihng but the ones who just can't stand change can GTFO

 

[Triprift]

Dang, 120 ppl being pwned at the same time, talk about a Kodak moment

As for me, I don't care about vista being a resource hog or whatever. More or less, I want it to be so. What's the point of having a superpowerful PC if it doesn't get taxed by the OS. You can even turn down vista so it looks & feels just like XP I even have vista running on an 8 yo rig. As these pc parts get more powerful, so should the OS. Bashing something that you haven't even use is plain stupid.

I coudnt of put it better myself Vista has copped alot of flack but imv with windows updates and sp1 is now like wl said turning out to be a very good os.

 

[Kei]

I think this is a fantastic thing Microsoft has done. There are sooooo many people out there that love to condemn things before they use them and spread nonsense/misinformation/lies just to make their points more "valid". This is probably one of the most hilarious tests done ever but honestly it gives me an idea...

Maybe AMD should do the samething with their Phenom lineup and call it something else just for a test...they got the same rap as Vista did when it came out and we see how that turned out. There are a lot of people changing their minds about the Phenom, but still it'd be nice to see those people using old systems yet still talking trash use one and talk about how sickly fast it was only to find out it was a 2.2Ghz Tri-core or something.

K

 

[wolf2009]

Megasty dude, I agree with you.

Before trying vista i felt like everyone says it is. After trying it i found it be a lot better. Ok its a resource hog, but if i bought a quade core proc, 4gb ram, good graphic card, why not put vista on it ?

It solved my big problem yesterday here
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=66893

 

[Kei]

They only gave people a 10 minute demo, come on folks, think!
Some of you based your opinions as if they were fully converted. They were only given a few minutes to observe Vista, not fully use it on their own, then they lied about it instead of saying nothing (and let the subjects make up their own mind about the OS). This is nothing more then pure marketing gimmick and, for the most part won't change most users minds about it.

c'mon....majority of the people that bash Vista didn't even give it a 5 minute demo be proclaiming it crap.

K

 

[Wshlist]

Someone should get some vista fans, present windows95 to them but renamed windows7 and watch them rave about how stable and wonderful it is.

 

[Mussels]

Megasty dude, I agree with you.

Before trying vista i felt like everyone says it is. After trying it i found it be a lot better. Ok its a resource hog, but if i bought a quade core proc, 4gb ram, good graphic card, why not put vista on it ?

It solved my big problem yesterday here
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=66893

vistas windows update is a LOT better than XP's ever was. it not only gets a core driver (say, a direct3D only video driver with no Cpanel) it actually gets vendor drivers.

My video card and soundcard (auzentech) get WHQL drivers and control panels off windows update... its very convenient (and they're usually up to date as well)

 

[Shadowdust]

As for me, I tried SP1, looked nice, worked very well on my PC in my sig, but I had problems installing my old Wacom tablet, because Wacom decided not to offer Vista support for serial tablets and force users into paying hundreds of dollars for newer USB tablets... For people not new in the tablet business, Wacom is the MS of tablets, being the biggest manufacturer of decent usable graphics tablets. No competition means they are having hard time convincing users to upgrade, because of the simple fact that their new tablets don't bring anything new to the table, except USB and some extra buttons! Lack of competition is dreadful
So MS is not the only evil doer, hardware manufacturers have their share in Vista's poor adoption rate!

I have to agree with you on that. I used to be one of those guys who thought Vista sucked until I got my new Pavillion DV5Z laptop. The interface and performance of the actual OS is fine. I've found that hardware and software manufacturers seem to think this was a great opportunity to force people to purchase new software and hardware rather than offer support for even two year old products.

Back in 2006, I purchased a copy of Quicken 2006 Home & Business to upgrade our aging Quicken 98 at work. When I tried to install it on Vista, it would continually crash. I looked up the issue on Intuit's website only to find out that Intuit claims that it is impossible for them to provide Vista support for the product. I also just found out that Quickbooks 2006 suffers the same flaw. So those are two programs I am forced to upgrade if I want to use them on the new laptop.

So yeah, my complaints are definitely with the third parties who choose not to provide Vista support.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

we have people from MS at BB do that at least once a month

And, I am sure that customers get more then 10 minutes to play around with Vista to make up their own minds, correct? I am sure (if you are around) you would give them ALL the time they need if it means converting them over to Vista and they:
-won't be restricted to a 10 minute demo
-nor company policy to lie to customers that the OS goes by another name


You see what I did there? If what MS did is so wholly then you should be able to do the exact same thing on your job at BB. But you can't! This is one reason why double standards have a negative reputation.

c'mon....majority of the people that bash Vista didn't even give it a 5 minute demo be proclaiming it crap.

K

Give me a break, a 10 minute demo is suppose to be a revelation? Are you kidding me, (this is a joke right)? I'm willing to believe that within that 10 minute demo they saw pretty, pretty, shiny, shiny and if it's true then yes it would yield positive results. But what about Vista itself? You know, the OS they would use at home. The OS they lied about to begin with. You cannot get the subject's experience in that because it was only a "10 min demo" of Mojave.

You can get more experience out of CC, BB or Walmart then in that survey and it speaks nothing of the opinion of Vista but only the demo.

 

[Kei]

No I'm not kidding you, I'm pointing out that we ALL know (including you) that majority of the bashers don't give it 5 minutes of their time to even use if they've ever even touched it. Now we see that when they actually sat down with it for 10 minutes it wasn't nearly as bad as they though.

Nobody said they liked it the results aren't even on the website yet (read the page), they're simply saying that when they ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT they did not claim it was crap. I know you're using XP and nobody is saying that XP is bad, we're simply saying that when people actually sat down and used Vista they found it to be just fine.

Relax and stop reading too deep into things or you'll start an pointless argument with the next 10 people on the post and the thread will be closed down.

K

 

[cdawall]

Give me a break, a 10 minute demo is suppose to be a revelation? Are you kidding me, (this is a joke right)? I'm willing to believe that within that 10 minute demo they saw pretty, pretty, shiny, shiny and if it's true then yes it would yield positive results. But what about Vista itself? You know, the OS they would use at home. The OS they lied about to begin with. You cannot get the subject's experience in that because it was only a "10 min demo".

You can get more experience out of CC, BB or Walmart then in that survey and it speaks nothing of the opinion of Vista but only the demo.

we have people from MS at BB do that at least once a month

i'm not a big MS fan but at least you can't say there not trying to fix what they fucked up

 

[Octavean]

So is that pronounced “Mo-Jo” or “More-Jive” ?

 

[cdawall]

And, I am sure that customers get more then 10 minutes to play around with Vista to make up their own minds, correct? I am sure (if you are around) you would give them ALL the time they need if it means converting them over to Vista and they:
-won't be restricted to a 10 minute demo
-nor company policy to lie to customers that the OS goes by another name

they get more than 10min to play around but honestly the BB crap they put on it (called archie) makes the $2000 velocity lag so its not a true experience

 

[EastCoasthandle]

they get more than 10min to play around but honestly the BB crap they put on it (called archie) makes the $2000 velocity lag so its not a true experience

That's not true at all and you know it . My local BB allows you to play with Vista on their machines as is. What you get at home is what you can play with at the store.