ELSA Slide Shows GTX 200 Series Successors

[btarunr]

Slides published during a press meeting held at ELSA's headquarters in Shenzhen, China reveals what look like NVIDIA's future graphics processors (GPU). Although not quite playing on the global stage, ELSA is a popular channel vendor operating in China that concentrates on Asian markets. ELSA showcased several of its products. During a press event where its consumer graphics plans were discussed, ELSA published a slide that shows two future GPUs from NVIDIA, codenamed GT206 and GT212. These GPUs are positioned to succeed current flagship GPUs as in the G200. The slide shows a graph with launch time on the x-axis and performance projection on the y-axis. It can be inferred that GT206 is going to succeed the current GeForce GTX 260 and the GT212 succeeds GTX 280. Time scales show that GT206 comes out towards the very end of this year, and GT212 comes out sometime in Q1, 2009.



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[newtekie1]

It is a little hard to make out, but does that say 55nm for GT206 and 45nm for GT212?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yes and yes

 

[Kreij]

I used to buy ELSA Quaddro based cards for the CAD systems here at work.
Every single one failed and had to be replaced.

I thought they went out of business.

 

[alexp999]

Hmm, they dont seems to be shown much higher on the chart than their current counterparts. obviously just gonna be a die shrink and a increase in clock speed, like the 9800GTX+

Still might think about it if its out in time for my step up and is priced reasonably.

 

[btarunr]

I can haz digg? http://digg.com/hardware/NVIDIA_GTX_200_Successors_are_called_NVIDIA_GT212_and_GT206

 

[alexp999]

According to Hexus its 40nm for GT212.

But that could just be how their news poster has read it. Bit hard to tell. My first impression was 48nm. Who knows...

 

[mcloughj]

GTX280 replaced by GTX212. Congratz Nvidia, you've won the stupid naming system award once again.

 

[btarunr]

GTX280 replaced by GTX212. Congratz Nvidia, you've won the stupid naming system award once again.

No, that's a core name. G200 -> GT212.

 

[Selene]

It wont be called GTX212 thats just like the code name, like GTX200 is.
It will be GTX280+ or GTX290 some thing along them lines.

 

[mcloughj]

No, that's a core name. G200 -> GT212.

oops. my bad. should have read it a bit bit more carefully!

 

[DarkMatter]

Hmm definately it reads 40nm. But it will be here as soon as Q1 2009? If true they do have managed to win to intel to sub 45nm.

 

[konstantine]

First GTx+ now GTx 212 then GTx.........
Where all these rumors are coming from?
I pitty Nvidia

 

[mab1376]

%$#@!

I just decided to buy a GTX 260, now I don't want to.

 

[Edito]

We want the names of cards or we want performance and good price??? cause if we talk abou names damn nvidia and ATI use to choose a very bad names like XTX or GSO sou i think we can put this a part and focus on what really meter, PERFORMANCE/PRICE every thing else its a detail... and for those who bought the GTX280/60 recently are just fine im still using the 8800GT and im just fine with the games but if u owners of GTX280/60 are after the latest card in the world ohhh yeah pain in the AssS cause this will never end cards after cards with more shaders clocks and stuff... don't get me wrong...

 

[konstantine]

The 4870x2 is the price performance king now.
Check my 4870x2 playing crysis at 1920x1200 res. all setts on Very-High with 8xq aa on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRY9g69mB50

 

[choppy]

sorry what? .. a 206GTi? is this nvidia or peugeot

 

[WarEagleAU]

Confusion is setting in now...but I was thinking the same thing until BTA mentioned about those being cores...looks nifty though. I dont even think AMD will have 45nm parts then or 40 or whatever the gpu die shrink is.

 

[Selene]

The 4870x2 is the price performance king now.
Check my 4870x2 playing crysis at 1920x1200 res. all setts on Very-High with 8xq aa on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRY9g69mB50

Alot of reviews show SLI GTX260s beating the 4870x2 in 90% of games(crysis hands down) and are alot cheaper.(around $150.00 after MIR)
They even went on to show that you could buy a SLI mobo and 2 gtx260s for about the same prices as the 4870x2, so its not realy the king IMO.

The 4870x2 is very nice 2 gpus in one card, but I think the price needs to come down some to make it price performace king.
Now the 4870 was king when it came out, but the GTX260 can be had cheaper now, and does better in most games so ATI is no longer #1.(this is all based on reading lots of reviews that we done months after the 4870 and 4870x2 came out)

The new GTX260+/GTX270 w/e they call it, with +24 shader cores, this will be the card to get IMO.

 

[DarkMatter]

Confusion is setting in now...but I was thinking the same thing until BTA mentioned about those being cores...looks nifty though. I dont even think AMD will have 45nm parts then or 40 or whatever the gpu die shrink is.

Rumors say it will be 40nm too and that it COULD come on H1 2009. Yet a rumor that says "could come" is not as strong as a slide when it comes to release dates, even though both are somewhat "flexible". But yeah, at this point I think Nvidia will be the first one to 40nm. It was never a matter of if they could get there or not, but rather a decision to stay on bigger ones after the FX line fiasco.

The new GTX260+/GTX270 w/e they call it, with +24 shader cores, this will be the card to get IMO.

I think GT206 and the +24 shaders GTX260 are different cards. Could very well be the same though, they wouldn't be so far away in time of release after all.

 

[konstantine]

Alot of reviews show SLI GTX260s beating the 4870x2 in 90% of games(crysis hands down) and are alot cheaper.(around $150.00 after MIR)
They even went on to show that you could buy a SLI mobo and 2 gtx260s for about the same prices as the 4870x2, so its not realy the king IMO.

The 4870x2 is very nice 2 gpus in one card, but I think the price needs to come down some to make it price performace king.
Now the 4870 was king when it came out, but the GTX260 can be had cheaper now, and does better in most games so ATI is no longer #1.(this is all based on reading lots of reviews that we done months after the 4870 and 4870x2 came out)

The new GTX260+/GTX270 w/e they call it, with +24 shader cores, this will be the card to get IMO.

The 4870x2 beats 2-3 280gtx's in sli in the majority of games.Crysis with the new 8.8 drivers is working very well with my 4870x2.
I play crysis at 1920x1200 res. with all on very-high setts with 8xq aa and i get 30-50fps.
The 260gtx is slower than the 4870.The 4870 actually competes with the 280gtx.
I have both the 4870 and the 4870x2 So, you can't convince me till you show a vid of your 260gtx/s cards.

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/7
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/9
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/8
And thisis the crysis game play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRY9g69mB50

 

[Selene]

The 4870x2 beats 2-3 280gtx's in sli in the majority of games.Crysis with the new 8.8 drivers is working very well with my 4870x2.
I play crysis at 1920x1200 res. with all on very-high setts with 8xq aa and i get 30-50fps.
The 260gtx is slower than the 4870.The 4870 actually competes with the 280gtx.
I have both the 4870 and the 4870x2 So, you can't convince me till you show a vid of your 260gtx/s cards.

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/7
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/9
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/8
And thisis the crysis game play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRY9g69mB50

glad you found the only games were ATI can win, COD4/QWET/Grid, check some more games and you will see.
Im not saying its not good, and glad you like your card, but in most games GTX260>4870 and GTX260 SLI > 4870x2 GTX280 SLI/Tri > All.
Im not going to link other sites reviews, but I read one just the other day they took 10games, ATI 4870x2 won 3, NV won 5, and 2 were a tie, due to being CPU bound.

Im not a ATI fan, had bad problems with 3 that i have owned, but Im also not out to make them look bad, but what I am is sick of ppl YELLING ATI IS KING when they dont do reserch,and base their claims off the price of the card when they came out.

Fact ATI had the price vs preformace when the 4870 came out.
Fact ATI has the fastest single card on the market.
Fact ATI makes good cards.
Fact ATI(AMD) is the number 2 CPU/GPU maker in the world.

 

[Selene]

*DarkMatter*
Yea i agree not sure that GT206 is the new GTX260 or not, lots of ppl say the GTX260+/GTX270 will be out this month, the GT206 shows to be out around Christmas, but it also shows to be a lower card then the GTX280, this would lead many to think its the +24shader GTX260.

I mean why would they have 2 cards in that same preformace spot.

 

[konstantine]

glad you found the only games were ATI can win, COD4/QWET/Grid, check some more games and you will see.
Im not saying its not good, and glad you like your card, but in most games GTX260>4870 and GTX260 SLI > 4870x2 GTX280 SLI/Tri > All.
Im not going to link other sites reviews, but I read one just the other day they took 10games, ATI 4870x2 won 3, NV won 5, and 2 were a tie, due to being CPU bound.

Im not a ATI fan, had bad problems with 3 that i have owned, but Im also not out to make them look bad, but what I am is sick of ppl YELLING ATI IS KING when they dont do reserch,and base their claims off the price of the card when they came out.

Fact ATI had the price vs preformace when the 4870 came out.
Fact ATI has the fastest single card on the market.
Fact ATI makes good cards.
Fact ATI(AMD) is the number 2 CPU/GPU maker in the world.

Your definitely not a ATI fan.And keep your biased facts for yourself.The 4870 is faster than the 260gtx And it does compete with the 280gtx.
Check my friends "Russiaforthewin" 260gtx's benchmarks on youtube.
I have had both ATI and Nvidia cards and both are good.But now,Nvidia's best card is not faster than AMD's "4870 not the x2" and it costs a lot more.
So, AMD is the best choice.

 

[DarkMatter]

*DarkMatter*
Yea i agree not sure that GT206 is the new GTX260 or not, lots of ppl say the GTX260+/GTX270 will be out this month, the GT206 shows to be out around Christmas, but it also shows to be a lower card then the GTX280, this would lead many to think its the +24shader GTX260.

I mean why would they have 2 cards in that same preformace spot.

I wouldn't pay much attention to the performance on that slide, IMO they are just trying to say the order of the cards and not compare actual performance based on height in the graph. See 9800GTX+ is in two different places and I highly doubt there would be two different flavors with so much performance difference between them. IMO the layout is that way just so it can fit better on the slide.
Also they probably don't know anything about the new chips except the pin number and layout, power envelope and such things, nothing about the internals or performance. A card assembler or partner in general doesn't really need more info and they could have based their performance expectations based on memory width and power envelop, and both could be the same as on current GTX cards. But on the smaller nodes, performance can be much higher at same power envelope.