More Polaris10 and Polaris11 Specifications Revealed

[rruff]

Yes, sure, it's probably going to be a great card, but that'll leave a huge performance gap, for a long time (before Vega comes out) between AMD's newest and NVIDIA's newest, which may not be good for, me at least, a PC Builder.

AMD will have the only cards on <28nm in the low, midrange, and laptops segments though. Maybe you don't care about that, but a lot of people do, and it seems like a smart approach with their tiny budget.

 

[nem..]

 

[MrGenius]

Well there went 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Good thing I didn't waste the entire 7 minutes. Get to the point guy. Oh... you have no point. I see. Good bye!

 

[the54thvoid]

Put nem.. on my ignore list. At least he was easy to recognise from when he was plain old nem.

Still a class action Troll suit instigator.

 

[G33k2Fr34k]

Nice try with the trolling. The presentation and the slide are specifically Deep Learning orientated. Mixed precision - use of FP16 for object detection and recognition allied with a more comprehensive GPU to GPU/GPU to CPU interconnect. That is why the second half of the slide show the representation of four GPUs, because P100 - the focus of the presentation - has four NVLink interfaces.
I'm pretty sure only trolls and AMD fanboys try to make "Pascal 10X Maxwell" applicable across the board, rather than a the sole example it is intended for.

Every time I see a 10X or 100X from Nvidia, I know they're lying. Nvidia's PR is well known for shameless blatant lying. Only Nvidia fanboys come out to justify these ridiculous claims by Nvidia.

 

[arbiter]

Every time I see a 10X or 100X from Nvidia, I know they're lying. Nvidia's PR is well known for shameless blatant lying. Only Nvidia fanboys come out to justify these ridiculous claims by Nvidia.

I think you confused Nvidia with AMD there.

 

[G33k2Fr34k]

I think you confused Nvidia with AMD there.

Nope, I didn't. I remember back when Nvidia made the claim that their GTX280 was over 100X faster than Intel's best quad core CPU at the time running certain "CUDAH" tasks. Intel decided to verify these claims and the results of Intel's benchmarks were quite a bit different, to say the least. Intel found that their the GTX280 was was around 2.5 times faster than the Core i7 960 on average, and only in one scenario it was 14 times faster (probably a CUDAH app that uses old X87 instructions instead of SSE instructions).

 

[the54thvoid]

Nope, I didn't. I remember back when Nvidia made the claim that their GTX280 was over 100X faster than Intel's best quad core CPU at the time running certain "CUDAH" tasks. Intel decided to verify these claims and the results of Intel's benchmarks were quite a bit different, to say the least. Intel found that their the GTX280 was was around 2.5 times faster than the Core i7 960 on average, and only in one scenario it was 14 times faster (probably a CUDAH app that uses old X87 instructions instead of SSE instructions).

Well it's encouraging to see that you find Intel a paragon of virtue and truth. Have you not considered how Intel are perceived to manipulate things to keep AMD down?

Morale is, PR is a little bit 'showy' but tends to have a basis in some truth, albeit sometimes tenuous.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Nope, I didn't. I remember back when Nvidia made the claim that their GTX280...

At least there WAS a GTX 280. Remember when AMD put out false benchmark claims using a non-existent processor
AMD posts blatantly deceptive benchmarks on Barcelona
...and Nvidia isn't currently being sued by its investors for deception....unlike AMD, aand we haven't even touched on AMD's Bulldozer claims from 2008 onwards, or Randy "40% better" Allen, or Roy Taylor.

Nope, I didn't. I remember back when Nvidia made the claim that their GTX280 was over 100X faster than Intel's best quad core CPU at the time running certain "CUDAH" Intel decided to verify these claims and the results of Intel's benchmarks were quite a bit different, to say the least. Intel found that their the GTX280 was was around 2.5 times faster than the Core i7 960 on average, and only in one scenario it was 14 times faster (probably a CUDAH app that uses old X87 instructions instead of SSE instructions).

Probably? How would anyone know? Intel certainly didn't state what coding or ISA they were using. Nvidia ended up at least providing verifiable benchmark results

 

[Ferrum Master]

At least there WAS a GTX 280

Ah boney it is a AMD thread turned into intel vs nvidia war now? Calm down.

It all bad news again. The market is split releasing cards not fighting each other in performance... almost like conspiracy.

 

[bug]

How much is that (in %)?

A lot, according to this obscure site: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_390X_Gaming/31.html

 

[HumanSmoke]

Ah boney it is a AMD thread turned into intel vs nvidia war now? Calm down.

Well, that's interesting,You don't have a single problem with nem, G33k2Fr34k and medi01 posting solely about Nvidia in an AMD thread, but you're so very quick decry a post that corrects some trollish comments in rebuttal. Be careful with what you're condoning at the expense of chastising me - unless you long for the day when TPU turns into wccftech lite - after all, at least two of the aforementioned are Disqus trollers of the highest order.

 

[Ferrum Master]

after all, at least two of the aforementioned are Disqus trollers of the highest order.

Yea just don't feed the trolls. I like them calling zerglings or drowners... more appropriate. Most of us still don't side to any of them, as we own a lot of PC's utilizing any of those manufacturer products.

Polaris IMHO is a well placed product performance wise... to 1080p consumers, that actually packs the most of users still. The enthusiast segment(also me) are the most loud bunch of whiners actually, thus we can filter out the low expected performance complaints about the product. As I said, almost it looks fishy that nvidia and AMD releases products in their own niche not overlapping with each other actually. At least it looks like that to me now.

 

[Alduin]

I think you and many others are getting carried away again. The odds are very good that the full chip has 2048 shaders, and cut down versions will fill the space between this and Polaris 11. All indications are that this is a 480x so it will slot in well below the 1070, just as the 380x was well below the 970. So you'll need to wait until the fall before you see the cards that compete with the 1070 and 1080.

This is a smart move by AMD, because most likely their architecture will be inferior to Nvidia's but they will have several months where they have the best and newest midrange cards, since they'll be competing against Nvidia's Maxwell. How long has it been since that was the case?

FPS/$ will be at least as good as Nvidia's 1070. I predict Polaris 10 will match or slightly exceed 390/970 performance for $250 or less. It will be great if you are in that budget range.

PASCAL:
16nm maxwell with higher clock rates and
Some new Features like NVlink

 

[ZoneDymo]

Well there went 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Good thing I didn't waste the entire 7 minutes. Get to the point guy. Oh... you have no point. I see. Good bye!

Kids these days dont have any patients at all.....they need everything right now, right away.
The point was made at about 5:50, and its "just wait" before buying anything and he supported that argument with a long list of history of products released by every company and how waiting was often a better choice.
There ya go, now I do hope you learn some patients in the future.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Put nem.. on my ignore list. At least he was easy to recognise from when he was plain old nem.

Still a class action Troll suit instigator.

because he posts a video of a person calmly explaining/giving info?
ok then....

 

[dozenfury]

On these AMD-Nvidia debates that quickly descend into fanism, I'd suggest at least comparing apples to apples (MSRP to MSRP). Most people will wait for the MSRP models with better cooling, and AMD is sounding like they may not even have these Polaris cards in retail until August anyway. There's no requirement to pay a premium to be the absolute first to get the 1070/1080. And even on pure power tflops, Nvidia will always be ahead 1:1 on fps per tflop for most games due to better driver support.

 

[Caring1]

On these AMD-Nvidia debates that quickly descend into fanism, I'd suggest at least comparing apples to apples (MSRP to MSRP). Most people will wait for the MSRP models with better cooling, and AMD is sounding like they may not even have these Polaris cards in retail until August anyway. There's no requirement to pay a premium to be the absolute first to get the 1070/1080. And even on pure power tflops, Nvidia will always be ahead 1:1 on fps per tflop for most games due to better driver support.

Spoken like a true fanboy.

 

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

Of course Polaris 10 won't compete with Pascal. It never was supposed to. It should compete with the R9 390 in a big way, and if AMD's new insulation technology along with other improvements allow for MUCH higher overclocks, then 32CUs might be all you need to reach near-980ti levels of performance. NEAR-980ti though. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

You mean a year later, they have now come up with something to compete against a 980ti?

 

[MrGenius]

Kids these days dont have any patients at all.....they need everything right now, right away.
The point was made at about 5:50, and its "just wait" before buying anything and he supported that argument with a long list of history of products released by every company and how waiting was often a better choice.
There ya go, now I do hope you learn some patients in the future.

Well as for patience I have more than I need(and then some). And I passed childhood well over 2.5 decades ago. His arguments were weak at best. Inaccurate and heavily biased for the most part. The Fury "overclocker's dream" comment seriously pissed me off, it's been OC to 1450/1000 with LN2(proving it truly is an overclocker's dream). The rest was just a bunch of "no duh" stupid and pointless BS for retards. So it most certainly didn't apply to me. That guy is a horrible "journalist"(term used in its broadest and most forgiving sense). He's a complete fucking moron IMO. I'll never make the mistake of watching another one of his vids again. That's all I meant by that.

 

[ensabrenoir]

PASCAL:
16nm maxwell with higher clock rates and
Some new Features like NVlink

......Radeon Lord? ....DozenFury? I love this time of year.....

 

[ZoneDymo]

Well as for patience I have more than I need(and then some). And I passed childhood well over 2.5 decades ago. His arguments were weak at best. Inaccurate and heavily biased for the most part. The Fury "overclocker's dream" comment seriously pissed me off, it's been OC to 1450/1000 with LN2(proving it truly is an overclocker's dream). The rest was just a bunch of "no duh" stupid and pointless BS for retards. So it most certainly didn't apply to me. That guy is a horrible "journalist"(term used in its broadest and most forgiving sense). He's a complete fucking moron IMO. I'll never make the mistake of watching another one of his vids again. That's all I meant by that.

"stupid and pointless BS for retards"
"complete fucking moron"

"I passed childhood well over 2.5 decades ago"

You sure about that? because you certainly don't come across that way.

And you certainly cannot claim to have patients when your comment was how you just stopped watching the vid because "he had no point" thus far.

 

[MrGenius]

At least I can spell patience correctly. Now buzz off trollio. I don't have time for your shit.

 

[neliz]

PASCAL:
16nm maxwell with higher clock rates and
Some new Features like NVlink

What is NVLink going to do for you? You know what NVLink is exactly?

 

[Fluffmeister]

Might as well wait for Vega too.

The bit about Nvidia not choosing settings that are gonna make them look slower than the competition was gold.

Muhahahaha!!!