More Polaris10 and Polaris11 Specifications Revealed

[WhyCry]

Yup, that's exactly why I didn't mention codenames. They sounded too dumb to be true, and could be used to trace back to my Tabasco bottle.

Yes, that's actually why I didn't post this leak. However those specs were for mobile chips as I was told.

 

[the54thvoid]

Makes you wonder though, Fiji (full chip) goes toe to toe with Maxwell. Yes, Maxwell over clocks very well but the base design of Fiji works exceptionally well at higher resolution (in comparison to Maxwell). You'd think the design in Polaris as a process shrink would be a tweaked Fiji to deliver excellent performance in a lower power threshold. I don't know why they'd NOT try to release a new gen card that beats their own Fury X offering? As Nvidia look to better 980ti (by very small real margins we all assume), surely AMD could have done the same? Or is Fiji's key strength it's HBM? Which would be weird because I didn't think HBM was the 'be all and end all' of performance.

Why produce a rushed forward (rumour) cut down Vega to fight off GTX1080? I scratch my head. Unless...

Theory 1 - AMD thought Nvidia don't yet have a DX12 answer for async so AMD didn't bother too hard. But Nvidia release (PR guff) info that 1080 is way better than expected..
Theory 2 - AMD are playing a waiting game to release cut down Vega to tease out big Pascal desktop part and then turn all the dials to 11 on a full chip Vega release to trump Nvidia at the high end.
Theory 3 - Nvidia don't have a great async answer and they rushed 1080 out, way before AMD could answer. That way Nvidia steal sales from AMD by way of having a better card out, even though it's not as good as it should be and will get smacked about by Vega.

I actually think 3 is more accurate. I think Pascal desktop will be trumped by Vega. If I'm wrong, AMD can go suck cement because if they can't build on Fiji's performance in DX12 using a smaller process node, they should be sent packing.

 

[LucidStrike]

Well this makes it abundantly clear that AMD really HAD to leak that possible VEGA release in October given they new these specs were pathetic in light of Nvidia's offering. AMD are at serious risk of fading away in to nothingness if they don't deliver something almighty with VEGA and get the jump on Nvidia, but Nvidia doubtless have the 1080Ti tucked under their sleeve which they'll whip out the moment AMD try to surge ahead. Poor AMD, I feel sorry for them, but ultimately no one wins here, least of all the consumer. Nvidia know they only need to do just enough and they're laughing all the way to the bank as their recent financial results demonstrate.

To be fair, I'd say releasing a $379 card that outperforms your previous $1000 card isn't so much "just enough" as 'raising the bar'.

I do REALLY want AMD to woo me away from the 370 tho, for their own sake.

 

[General Lee]

The pic in the article is of a ref 380x clearly.

 

[bug]

Jeez, people make it sound as if AMD's 480 series was supposed to compete with 1080. Let me remind ya:

We are here:
370 - 950 (? does it even exist?)
380 - 960
390(x) - 970/980
Fury Nano - 980
Fury X - 980Ti/TX

We are moving here:
470 - ?
480 (5.5Tf) - ?
? - 1070 (6.5Tf) <= 449$, no thanks
? - 1080 (9.5Tf)
? - ?



1080 is in "too expensive" area, expensive, and doesn't offer too much an upgrade for existing 980Ti users (comparable price) with good overclocks.
So those guys are better off waiting

The only "mass market" chip that threatens AMD is 1070. But at 449$, uh, oh, who would buy that?

It is just about PR, in practice, we will likely get cards targeted at compeltely different parts of the market.

Well, GTX 1070 is supposed to be $379, not $449. Street prices are usually below MSRP, but only if availability isn't an issue. So custom designed cards south of $350 are a real possibility. Still a bit out of my reach, but if they perform well, I may be tempted to bite the bullet.

 

[RejZoR]

Makes you wonder though, Fiji (full chip) goes toe to toe with Maxwell. Yes, Maxwell over clocks very well but the base design of Fiji works exceptionally well at higher resolution (in comparison to Maxwell). You'd think the design in Polaris as a process shrink would be a tweaked Fiji to deliver excellent performance in a lower power threshold. I don't know why they'd NOT try to release a new gen card that beats their own Fury X offering? As Nvidia look to better 980ti (by very small real margins we all assume), surely AMD could have done the same? Or is Fiji's key strength it's HBM? Which would be weird because I didn't think HBM was the 'be all and end all' of performance.

Why produce a rushed forward (rumour) cut down Vega to fight off GTX1080? I scratch my head. Unless...

Theory 1 - AMD thought Nvidia don't yet have a DX12 answer for async so AMD didn't bother too hard. But Nvidia release (PR guff) info that 1080 is way better than expected..
Theory 2 - AMD are playing a waiting game to release cut down Vega to tease out big Pascal desktop part and then turn all the dials to 11 on a full chip Vega release to trump Nvidia at the high end.
Theory 3 - Nvidia don't have a great async answer and they rushed 1080 out, way before AMD could answer. That way Nvidia steal sales from AMD by way of having a better card out, even though it's not as good as it should be and will get smacked about by Vega.

I actually think 3 is more accurate. I think Pascal desktop will be trumped by Vega. If I'm wrong, AMD can go suck cement because if they can't build on Fiji's performance in DX12 using a smaller process node, they should be sent packing.

Vega is still around 2 years away. Don't expect too much from that just yet...

 

[ManofGod]

Vega is still around 2 years away. Don't expect too much from that just yet...

Thanks for the laugh, I needed that. I have no idea where you pull this crap from but I am sure I would not want to touch it.

 

[TRWOV]

I think he is confusing Vega with Navi

 

[RejZoR]

Indeed I have :shy:

 

[ensabrenoir]

This guy covered every AMD concerns cpu or gpu...

 

[G33k2Fr34k]

Sorry AMD but not interested in these....

Great news for me and for those of us who are in Canada. The 390X is selling here for 450 cad.
390X level performance is more than enough for 1080P gaming.

 

[JMccovery]

This is interesting; if the 32CU Polaris 10 comes in 'under' 150w with performance similar to Hawaii/Grenada, and the PS4 Neo is rumored to have Polaris-based graphics, I'm wondering if it will have more than 16-20CUs.

 

[FMinus]

Well, GTX 1070 is supposed to be $379, not $449. Street prices are usually below MSRP, but only if availability isn't an issue. So custom designed cards south of $350 are a real possibility. Still a bit out of my reach, but if they perform well, I may be tempted to bite the bullet.

You really are pushing it with the wishful thinking. I don't doubt $380 GTX 1070 cards, but doubt they'll go much lower at least not until a price drop. Tho I think the $450 pricing sounds a lot more attractive to everyone who's trying to sell you something. Welcome to the Nvidia opposite day world, with announcing two different prices.

 

[HD64G]

Since P10 will have the same compute power as 290X=390 and they are made only for gaming (Hawaii was ideal for cryptocurrenct mining, so more focused to computing), the top Polaris model could easily get close to 390X in FPS and by having a price <$300 it will be the hit of the summer.

The Polaris 11 having 50W TDP and being able to match R9 280 is great for OEMs also if it ends being sold for about $150 to consumers. So, with those 2 cores and being able to have 2 SKUs available for each one, and with Polaris 11 ideal for mobiles, it might be the best strategy for AMD in order to grab a good part of the selling cake back from the green camp.

Things look really good if availability is ample from early June.

 

[ManofGod]

Indeed I have :shy:

Oh, ok. I had not heard of Navi before so it did not click. No problem, we all make mistakes from time to time.

 

[refillable]

It seems that it's not going to compete with 1070 or 1080, maybe that'd be Vega on October, but I'm not sure. Polaris, with 32 CU seems to be like a low power 380/X that will have little from the older Antigua (Tonga/Tahiti) GPUs. This is very disappointing, especially when the Power Consumption is the same as 1080/1070 (probably not though). I hope this is not true because this will make people buy the 1080/1070 and the possibilities are AMD new "Vega", or whatever it is can outperform these two, which means we'd have to wait for real competition to come.

However, that 5.5 TFLOPS seems to be quite interesting, but I doubt that with the same number of CU that it'll be faster than Hawaii/Grenada.

 

[john_]

Funny how people react in this thread about Polaris. It's like most in here where hoping AMD to offer them a huge e-prosthetic to replace that specific body part that probably is not big enough. Not to mention that for a tech site it is strange to see people posting like they are ignoring what is known about Polaris, that it is a chip with 2/3 of the area of GP104. So, if AMD is not making it at 10nm, what would people expect from that chip?

Anyway in short, if you want to buy Nvidia cards, AMD is NOT going to make it cheaper for you. You will have to pay the full price Nvidia wants plus the extra for the founders editions.

In the end, what we have here is a duopoly in full harmony with the two competing companies staying away from each other's feet.

 

[chinmi]

ha ha ha
dream on amd
no one wants your gpu's now

 

[ZoneDymo]

What an overly boring looking little card Specs are like....lol

The ignorance is almost palpable

 

[ZoneDymo]

ha ha ha
dream on amd
no one wants your gpu's now

Sorry, I do, sooo you are wrong, gg
Should you not be worried about that 3.5gb that was sold to you as 4gb instead?

 

[ZoneDymo]

This guy covered every AMD concerns cpu or gpu...

That was just hilarious
Now im hoping for a "Shit nvidia/intel fanboys say" vid as well though, although it probably is something like "AMD sucks lelz, buy Nvidia, AMD is bankrupt and that somehow to us is a good thing lel"

 

[medi01]

Well, GTX 1070 is supposed to be $379, not $449.

Nope.
449$ for 1070 (plus moar, even moar, for shortages) - cause it's "Founders Edition" (lovely, nVidia, thank you!)
699$ for 1080 (again, "Founder's Edition")

Note we are talking about prices here and now (well, short term). Who knows what will cost what when Xmas comes.

To be fair, I'd say releasing a $379 card that outperforms your previous $1000 card isn't so much "just enough" as 'raising the bar'.

Eating "1070 faster than Titan", is a real shame, although partially TPUs, for sharing that lovely piece of FUD in title.
1070 is "faster than Titan" at "certain things in VR, in certain scenarios".

. You'd think the design in Polaris as a process shrink would be a tweaked Fiji to deliver excellent performance in a lower power threshold.

They needed chips suitable for PS4k is my answer.
Oh, Sony has actually PAID a couple of hundred million $ for development.

Why produce a rushed forward (rumour) cut down Vega to fight off GTX1080?

+1 here.

 

[EarthDog]

Midrange... cool.

Vega please!!!

 

[32257870]

To be fair, I'd say releasing a $379 card that outperforms your previous $1000 card isn't so much "just enough" as 'raising the bar'.

I do REALLY want AMD to woo me away from the 370 tho, for their own sake.

Memory is the key here. As it was with the 970, but in a different way, it looks like the 1070 might not perform as well at higher resolutions because of a lack of bandwidth.

 

[32257870]

Midrange... cool.

Vega please!!!

2015 Midrange = 2016 Low end

2016 Midrange = 2015 Enthusiast

That's what has to happen for any of these releases to make sense. High overclocks on Polaris 10 and performance approaching within 10% of a 980ti at a pricepoint of $300 or less should mean we progress nicely in all ranges of price to performance.