Editorial Following Ryzen's Launch, Intel's CPUs Likely to See Price-Cuts

[the54thvoid]

Interesting to note the phone app (as I view it on android) doesn't say editorial. The web page does, but when I look at it from the forum drop down in the app, it doesn't say editorial.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Interesting to note the phone app (as I view it on android) doesn't say editorial. The web page does, but when I look at it from the forum drop down in the app, it doesn't say editorial.

I pointed that out on a previous editorial to Raevenlord. I don't recall exactly, but I think he was going to pass on to W1zzard. As it stands now, the regular forum members who come straight here don't see that "Editorial" title.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I pointed that out on a previous editorial to Raevenlord. I don't recall exactly, but I think he was going to pass on to W1zzard. As it stands now, the regular forum members who come straight here don't see that "Editorial" title.

Yep, I just commented earlier in this thread about that very article, was about Intel and Donald Trump at whitehouse etc, I didn't even realize this was an editorial till you pointed it out so obviously you are correct that members who come here don't even know what is supposed to be pure reporting vs. editorial since it isn't even marked. Not good.

 

[TheGuruStud]

MC was down from $329. It dropped $30. I bought a 7700k a couple weeks ago from there. I don't recall it ever being $379... not even on release day.

The numbers you have are just some inflated values they always have listed. Again, 7700k did not drop $80.

Can confirm, these are completely NORMAL Microcenter prices. They haven't changed for months.

 

[unsmart]

Yeah, good guy Intel. Except, last time I checked Intel covered the whole price range from under $100 to $500 and above. Celerons and Pentiums exist too and they are really cheap. How exactly does this help AMD to stay alive?

That's exactly how they're lowest[Celerons,Pentiums, I3] competes with AMD if they were to lower There I5 and I7s prices to within arrange of AMDs top end there would be no competition. AMD couldn't price for performance and still make a profit. I'm not saying Intels a good guy just they price according to performance and it's helping AMD as much as making them some coin. There top of the heap is stupid expensive but so is a porshe.

 

[efikkan]

I hope Vega is defeating nvidia too, so we can see a price cut on nvidia high end, it will increase my love and support to amd, and I get to upgrade my 970 to a 1080 with a reasonable budget.

Vega 10 will not defeat GP104 in any way, but AMD may choose to clock it high enough to put it slightly ahead of GTX 1080 to offer more "value", but sacrificing even more efficiency. But AMD can't sell it for cheap since Vega 10 with HBM2 is very expensive to make, not the way they'll be doing it with Ryzen.

 

[Eviling]

Price cuts on Intel CPU's could be nice. But at the estimated prices AMD is bringing, i doubt Intel can match it.

Personally i dont need an upgrade atm., but i have been considering a secondary system. And right now i am just waiting to see the reviews of the new Ryzen products, before deciding on what to buy.


On a side note, Intel being forced to do price cuts is one path, another would be AMD upping their prices, which would certainly be realisitc if the announced perfomance is correct. What company wouldnt want to get more money for their products, if they can get away with it.

 

[xkm1948]

Ideal price for 2011-v3 CPUs after RyZen launch.

6950X: $699, hey it is a 10 core after all!
6900K/5960X: $449
6850K/5900K: $299
6800K/5820K: $249

I know I am dreaming. As greedy as Intel they probably will never cut prices to BWE/HWE.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Vega 10 will not defeat GP104 in any way, but AMD may choose to clock it high enough to put it slightly ahead of GTX 1080 to offer more "value", but sacrificing even more efficiency. But AMD can't sell it for cheap since Vega 10 with HBM2 is very expensive to make, not the way they'll be doing it with Ryzen.

Noted for future mocking lol

 

[dinmaster]

Price cuts on Intel CPU's could be nice. But at the estimated prices AMD is bringing, i doubt Intel can match it.

Personally i dont need an upgrade atm., but i have been considering a secondary system. And right now i am just waiting to see the reviews of the new Ryzen products, before deciding on what to buy.


On a side note, Intel being forced to do price cuts is one path, another would be AMD upping their prices, which would certainly be realisitc if the announced perfomance is correct. What company wouldnt want to get more money for their products, if they can get away with it.

i think they would do lower prices (amd) to quickly gain market share back from intel since they really have been away from the race for quite some time. After a little while either see what intel does with their prices and if they don't then they could raise the cpu prices a little to match but i would keep them low for now to push as much of their product as they can.

 

[xkm1948]

Vega 10 will not defeat GP104 in any way, but AMD may choose to clock it high enough to put it slightly ahead of GTX 1080 to offer more "value", but sacrificing even more efficiency. But AMD can't sell it for cheap since Vega 10 with HBM2 is very expensive to make, not the way they'll be doing it with Ryzen.

Well in newer DX12/Vulkan titles even FuryX is catching up to 1080. A new NCU based VEGA would do at least better than 1080.

 

[qubit]

You'd think Intel would have a good idea of what's coming from the competition and would have at least brought out an affordable 8 core CPU to compete. Well, we'll see, maybe Coffee Lake will have one.

And so true about that stagnation and milking the punters for next to no performance improvements each generation. Well, guess what, in my case, I haven't replaced my CPU since I got my Sandy Bridge 2700K way back in 2011. Just think how many thousands of dollars I haven't spent on Intel CPUs and chipsets because there was no performance incentive. And I'm not the only one. Now they're getting their ass kicked by a resurgent AMD which can't come soon enough. I was thinking of finally upgrading and to a 7700K, but with AMD coming out, I'll definitely wait and see.

I'm not really surprised that AMD could catch up on IPC in just one generation because all they had to do was ditch that siamesed disaster they built Bulldozer and its successors with and go back to a conventional design.

@Raevenlord Another fantastic editorial. More please!

whether or not we think that that's how businesses should operate is a discussion best left for another day

Looking forward to this one.

 

[Eviling]

i think they would do lower prices (amd) to quickly gain market share back from intel since they really have been away from the race for quite some time. After a little while either see what intel does with their prices and if they don't then they could raise the cpu prices a little to match but i would keep them low for now to push as much of their product as they can.

I completely agree

 

[EarthDog]

Interesting to note the phone app (as I view it on android) doesn't say editorial. The web page does, but when I look at it from the forum drop down in the app, it doesn't say editorial.

And I happen to only catch it in the forums, in the NEWS section. I don't click on the front page article, just the thread and what I see in the first post in the NEWS section. I now understand my confusion.

 

[rtwjunkie]

As greedy as Intel they probably will never cut prices

I love seeing yet another posting by yet another person who has never studied economics. Whenever I see "greedy" I recognize that we are dealing with another person who doesn't understand business.

 

[erocker]

I love seeing yet another posting by yet another person who has never studied economics. Whenever I see "greedy" I recognize that we are dealing with another person who doesn't understand business.

Most people don't understand economics anymore... In this country anyways. Massive debt, lack of education and, well, at least 8 years of very little competition for Intel.

 

[GoFigureItOut]

Wouldn't it be nice if AMD and Intel reverted back to the old days. Both CPU's shared a common design. Remember Socket 7? You could swap out an Intel for AMD or vice-versa. Now, those were the days

 

[Fluffmeister]

Well in newer DX12/Vulkan titles even FuryX is catching up to 1080. A new NCU based VEGA would do at least better than 1080.

Equally, when your future proof DX12 4096 SP, 4096-bit HBM monster still gets beat at 4K by what is apparently nothing more than a die-shrunk 256-bit Maxwell card, you have to giggle.

 

[nem..]

Hey guys, news from semiaccurate, Intel is contacting press on how to review Ryzen!!! WTF!!!

 

[hapkiman]

In the big picture, AMDs Ryzen will be a great thing for this industry, even if it turns out to be less than AMD states. Competition spurs innovation. That's why things have stayed pretty much the same with the little ~10% IPC gains for Intel over the past decade. I am optimistic.

 

[SKD007]

Intel Core i7-6700K is priced $259 and it is a very good price compared to 7700k which is priced 299$

Ah good but what if it falls to $190 ? So it's better to wait

 

[evernessince]

This would be the slimiest move since slime was invented, if it was not done by intel. They had a glorious history of virtually cheating and extorting their customers (who should've learned that by now, but they didn't - there are even 'fans'?!)...

Anyone remembers Pentium/Celeron 300A and AX/BX/TX (or whatever, citing from the head) gimmick? When they actually CUT OFF the part where chip cache was? That chip (Celeron) was actually *more* expensive to manufacture, but sold for less... "Rich people buy cars WITHOUT holes in the gas tank" - to use a common car analogy.

Now, price cuts... Oh, the whole line-up can actually be cheaper? Next, we'll learn that they can be better at what they do.

It's not "normal behaviour when without competition" - it's very malignant and greedy practice, which should've been recognised as such by the customers. Yet, it is very rare to find a reference on Intel as 'evil'...

That's because in places like America, companies are entitled to screw the customer over because a business is some holy sect. Just look at the past and what's happening now. Who gets bailed out of the housing crash? The big corps. The automobile? The big corps. Who do you think inflates the medical costs in America? The big corps. I know an ex-general electric employee who worked there for 20 years and quit because he couldn't take it anymore. GE would purposefully introduce obsolescence into it's medical devices to increase profits. Medical reform shouldn't center around repealing Obamacare, it should center around improving transparency on the companies that inflate medical costs.

 

[Mistral]

I'm sure Intel will also offer other kinds of "incentives" to Dell and the like... just like back in the A64 days.

 

[rruff]

Perhaps Ryzen release will in fact lower the amount that people are willing to pay for Intel chips. If so, then that is the economy working as it should.

Precisely. Intel's product stack and pricing is determined by their competition and how they can best maximize profits. It isn't their "fault" that competition has been so weak for the past decade. Even with Intel's "greed" AMD was nearly bankrupted.

 

[jaggerwild]

Precisely. Intel's product stack and pricing is determined by their competition and how they can best maximize profits. It isn't their "fault" that competition has been so weak for the past decade. Even with Intel's "greed" AMD was nearly bankrupted.

Intel needs to be humbled............