AMD's RX 580, 570 and RX 550 Specifications and 3D Mark Results Leak

[silentbogo]

The only thing that bothers me, once again is this:

AMD's Polaris 12 is somewhat of a head-scratcher of a part, with its measly 640 stream processors (the line between discrete graphics and integrated ones is really blurry here). RX 550 reference cards should come in at 1190 MHz, where it scores 1849 in 3DMark FireStrike Extreme

If that line is blurry, @Raevenlord seriously needs to consider Lasic surgery. Iris Pro 580 only does ~800pts, and thats twice as much as an integrated R7 on top-of-the-line Carrizo APUs (which AMD showcased some time ago, playing LoL and Dota).
250% is way too much for such a bold statement.

There is a place for such cards, and I'm glad AMD did not forget about it. Beyond a few OEM models we really had nothing new in this segment for over 3 years (maybe more).

 

[alucasa]

On this forum, such segments are unknown to the most.

It's either 1080(or ti) or 1070. It's either 4k gaming or 144ghz gaming.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I think it's a mistake for AMD to start rebranding old GPU's again. I know it was common practice last decade, but these changes aren't even as big as the 3XX series Radeon memory and clock boost, and that was an iffy choice as well.

They are just going to confuse customers and make it look like they're running in place as Nvidia releases the third new architecture in a row. Naming it the 485 instead of the 580 would be a much better choice.

Third new architecture in a row , clearly it just takes names to confuse some.
It doesn't matter what it's called it matters what it's priced at relative to what it will do and LPP with clock boosts is an upgrade , depends on everhead left though they could just be clocking the snot out of it.
I noted Nvidia May be selling gp102 disguised as gp104 Gtx1080s that May unlock to a 1080ti on one site recently , could be April first that one but it's a fact now it's in rumour land.
How confusing is that now, dial the laughs to 11, and your with me.
To clarify , This is just how it rolls. Regardless of the maker.

 

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[cdawall]

"just a rebrand"

that is a higher clock than I can sustain with my top end cards on air.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

"just a rebrand"

that is a higher clock than I can sustain with my top end cards on air.

And it's my absolute max achieved on two water blocked refs ie none Aib 1x6pin so if there's oc Headroom and room for Aib overclockable they could be a good refresh, my card(1) does quite well at 4k at 1400 core clock for what it is and glides through 1440p ultra gaming.
Efficiency improvements would help too.

 

[oxidized]

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"just a rebrand"

that is a higher clock than I can sustain with my top end cards on air.

And it's my absolute max achieved on two water blocked refs ie none Aib 1x6pin so if there's oc Headroom and room for Aib overclockable they could be a good refresh, my card(1) does quite well at 4k at 1400 core clock for what it is and glides through 1440p ultra gaming.
Efficiency improvements would help too.

Took me about 5 mins

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Took me about 5 mins

So your point is then ??

I thought it laughable but commented on the premise regardless of your crap paint skills.

 

[cdawall]

Took me about 5 mins

I mean I could draw a penis on it if you want? What point are you trying to prove?

 

[oxidized]

So your point is then ??

I thought it laughable but commented on the premise regardless of your crap paint skills.

Laughable cause you saw the original, i don't really think you'd realize it's a fake if you hadn't.

My point is, why should we believe a random shoot on the internet?

I mean I could draw a penis on it if you want? What point are you trying to prove?

What's with you guys? Why so irascible?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Laughable cause you saw the original, i don't really think you'd realize it's a fake if you hadn't.

My point is, why should we believe a random shoot on the internet?


What's with you guys? Why so irascible?

As i said i have achieved those clocks(on 6pin refs) , that's as big a hint as i was willing to give a troll his game was up because calling out a troll directly leads to what follows

 

[Captain_Tom]

Cool would be if the stock boost was 1500. I strongly doubt that would be a thing, but it would offer a reason to look at the cards for a lot of people. That is 980Ti like performance in quite a few games.

Indeed. Heck if they included 9000 MHz GDDR5 it might even touch the 1070.

 

[oxidized]

As i said i have achieved those clocks(on 6pin refs) , that's as big a hint as i was willing to give a troll his game was up because calling out a troll directly leads to what follows

So what? You want to see bigger numbers there? I can make you happy, i just need 5 mins

Seriously tho, why so angry, i'm just saying it's easily fakable, it was mainly a response to the guy who posted the original

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So what? You want to see bigger numbers there? I can make you happy, i just need 5 mins

Seriously tho, why so angry, i'm just saying it's easily fakable, it was mainly a response to the guy who posted the original

Why assume I'm angry ,it's only a comment G you like it or you don't ,i can't much help replying if you infer im something I'm not though.
I get your point but deep down I know some shit to be and some not to be ,I'll give you an example.

The Rx 480 doesn't officially support rapid packed math but the new one should, an odd aside perhaps but if 4 16 bit ops are used in a game engine it won't be as it's automatically done afaik ,no special programming required.

Also

The LPP node swap will include mask refinement design tweaks Inc geometry's of objects etc and is not to be sniffed at Intel calls such things hyper scale development.

 

[oxidized]

Why assume I'm angry ,it's only a comment G you like it or you don't ,i can't much help replying if you infer im something I'm not though.

Well then, just sounded a bit upset is all. My mistake

 

[cdawall]

Laughable cause you saw the original, i don't really think you'd realize it's a fake if you hadn't.

My point is, why should we believe a random shoot on the internet?



What's with you guys? Why so irascible?

It could be fake or like everyone has said for weeks now the original cards on LPE sucked balls for clocking. LPP is a different process entirely and will improve clocks as well as power consumption. Why are you instantly dismissive of all things posted, neither of us walked out and said HOLY BATMAN THIS IF FOR FREAKING REALSZASDAS!.<!@#@!? It was an obvious well that would be nice if they hit those clocks from AMD. Pull your big boy pants on and move on.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Why assume I'm angry ,it's only a comment G you like it or you don't ,i can't much help replying if you infer im something I'm not though.
I get your point but deep down I know some shit to be and some not to be ,I'll give you an example.

The Rx 480 doesn't officially support rapid packed math but the new one should, an odd aside perhaps but if 4 16 bit ops are used in a game engine it won't be as it's automatically done afaik ,no special programming required.

Also

The LPP node swap will include mask refinement design tweaks Inc geometry's of objects etc and is not to be sniffed at Intel calls such things hyper scale development.

Forgive my ignorance, but are there rumors suggesting Polaris 20 has rapid packed math?

 

[oxidized]

It could be fake or like everyone has said for weeks now the original cards on LPE sucked balls for clocking. LPP is a different process entirely and will improve clocks as well as power consumption

It's a different thing from an engineering view, who says it's going to improve that much? Why are we so sure about that, what if it doesn't?

Why are you instantly dismissive of all things posted, neither of us walked out and said HOLY BATMAN THIS IF FOR FREAKING REALSZASDAS!.<!@#@!? It was an obvious well that would be nice if they hit those clocks from AMD. Pull your big boy pants on and move on.

Neither of you, maybe you two didn't, pretty sure there's someone else doing that, included the guy who posted the original pic

 

[Super XP]

AMD Rebranding stuff,again ))))

Nvidia does the exact same thing. Have been for years now.

I also suspect the pricing for these re-brands will be A Lot cheaper over the RX400 pricing scheme. These are coming out to sell, right before VEGA.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Forgive my ignorance, but are there rumors suggesting Polaris 20 has rapid packed math?

Yes and I'm sure the 480 is technically capable but can't remember where i read that, it is also usual practice to include features that are not going to be released at the same time to test how they play out and AMD have often added such things ie tesselation , morpho AA so I'm fairly sure ,i recently got asynchronous space warp or something via driver.
And Hbr 3 8k support.
@oxidized ,I'm totally unsure tbh that's why i read these types of thread and more besides.

 

[oxidized]

@oxidized I'm totally unsure tbh that's why i read these types of thread and more besides.

Alright

 

[Super XP]

I personally do not like rebrands. Because unsuspecting people will actually believe they are brand new.
That's said, this is the low to mid range segment. VEGA is for high end Enthusiasts.

Though I would like to see the RX580 match or exceed the R9-Fury X.
Here's a neat link that compared all based on users.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-AMD-R9-Fury-X/3634vs3498

 

[Jism]

It is a swap from LPE to LPP. That is a relatively big change for them, also remember the RX480 got a bad name for power consumption. As a company it is very easy to see why they would change the name with the update. Would you want people to start off with a bad taste from reviews of a completely different card?

What? the 6 extra watts coming from the pci-e slot and not VRM? This was adressed with a driver update + only cheaply designed motherboards with oc's suffered from that. The 150W vs 5.8Tflops for ~ 220$ was a top card.

A better proces is a natural shift in any chip producer. It will spare costs for both AMD and Glofo and the chip is proberly better at higher clocks and lower voltage. Rebranding was done esp. for the OEM market if i'm not mistaken. The real deal is coming from Vega soon.

 

[Captain_Tom]

I personally do not like rebrands. Because unsuspecting people will actually believe they are brand new.
That's said, this is the low to mid range segment. VEGA is for high end Enthusiasts.

Though I would like to see the RX580 match or exceed the R9-Fury X.
Here's a neat link that compared all based on users.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-AMD-R9-Fury-X/3634vs3498

If it's 1500 MHz, it's a bigger upgrade than the 780 was to the 680 lol. Who cares how they accomplish it?


Now if it's 1350MHz, then yeah it's disappointing (And I am not yet convinced a standard 580 will clock to 1500MHz btw).

 

[EarthDog]

Also i don't see people complaining about Nvidia not even refreshing their cards.

Think...

They don't need to...

If it's 1500 MHz, it's a bigger upgrade than the 780 was to the 680 lol. Who cares how they accomplish it?

it's not going to improve it 20%...

Nvidia does the exact same thing. Have been for years now.

They did... HAVEN'T BEEN for generations now... I dont recall one since the 6 series...(680 to 770)

Edit: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/222806-rebranded-graphics-cards/

Did something sneek by me there? Can't think of any, at least where I know in midrange+.. any budget cards? That said, amd seems to rebrand (what feels like) entire lineups with no/minimal changes a lot more often than Nvidia.