AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Unboxed, Benchmarked

[EarthDog]

Rx vega will a) have higher clockspeeds and b) be less like a wx card and c) have better gaming drivers at launch since AMD likely left those for last. Dunno why, but vega FE doesn't seem to know what the hell it's supposed to be other than a generic prosumer card.

Firestrike is always going to favour pascal, simply because it's dx11.

so... higher clockspeeds means more power use..we are already at 300 and 375...getting to be a lot for a single gpu for sure.

Yes, this is not a pure gaming card.

Most games are dx11, really. Dx12 is making headway, but i wouldnt call it saturated with 20 games...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support

 

[Deleted member 172152]

so... higher clockspeeds means more power use..we are already at 300 and 375...getting to be a lot for a single gpu for sure.

Yes, this is not a pure gaming card.

Most games are dx11, really. Dx12 is making headway, but i wouldnt call it saturated with 20 games...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support

Wayyy more games have dx12 in one form or another.

 

[P4-630]

If you play mainly Vulkan based games, you're golden!!!
(not that there are many though.....)

 

[Ferrum Master]

So this is the Sweden edition... just a as expensive as usually

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

Why do I have the feeling this is not only outsourced but also fully paid possibility to do beta testing of their drivers. Brilliant business move, AMD.

 

[Tomgang]

If i am correct Vega is not ment for gaming, but if i compare numbers for my two GTX 970 SLI and the coming GTX 1080 TI card i am planning to upgrade to. Those vega 3dmark scores does not impress me.
Vega score between 21000 and 23000 in GPU score. My two GTX 970 in sli score stock 21539 and then maximum overclock 25274 in GPU score and then GTX 1080 TI score between 26000 and 29000. I am so far not impress by vega. It might be missing driver optimisasion.

And if we go to numbers that ain gonna help. TPD at 300 or 375 watts and price at 999 US or 1500 US compared to GTX 1080 TI TDP 250 watt and from 700 US. The only advantage i se so far for vega is that it has more vram. There may be other features i am not aware of, if yes please tell me.

Well with other words. vega is not gonna change my mind about GPU upgrade. i will still choose GTX 1080 TI.

By the way here is my system fire strike scores to compare.

every thing runs stock here.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17979523?

This is the oc i run CPU and GPU at for every day use.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17980205?

And then i torture my system to its knees.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18112484?

Lets just say i expected more from vega than this so far. When thinking on price and the rated tdp.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Wayyy more games have dx12 in one form or another.

Since you are "in the know" provide what is not on that list (currently, not planned or future promises).

 

[EarthDog]

Wayyy more games have dx12 in one form or another.

its wiki..it can be off.

Links would be awesome...I'm not going through another thread of 'take hugh at his word when others posted supporting links' again...

...lets see it bud.

 

[Aenra]

Personally, i don't care if it's gonna be 5% behind 1080Ti, or a mere 5% ahead of 1080. I know the pricing will be extremely competitive and i know i feel bad for having yet to support them again; as in tangibly.
Will buy the uber-super-GTi-turbo-injection-PowPow edition, whenever it's out.

(and i'll still feel bad, because Ryzen deserved my money too. Show it with your wallet, or soon enough there won't be anything for you to show anymore and we'll all be buying 4core Intels for $500 a pop. That's my very simple philosophy)

 

[I No]

My point of view :

1. No driver update in this world would boost it by 30-35% (where the hype-train showed it would land).
2. Prosumer card or not it's marketed with a "GAMING MODE". Last time I checked the Titan didn't perform worse than the "gaming" version although the Titan is clearly aimed at gaming (no pro driver support) but it also has some deep-learning usage where it is 20-25% faster than a 1080 Ti.
3. The price is outrageous for what it can do (don't get me wrong the Titan is a rip-off as well) in both gaming and/or pro use
4. AMD did state they won't be supplying the card for reviewers. Yet they were the ones that made a comparison vs a Titan in the first place (mind you in pro usage with the Titan on regular drivers - Thanks nVidia for that).
5. No sane person would pick this vs a Quardo or hell even a WX variant for pro usage.
6. AMD dropped the ball when they showed a benchmark vs a Titan (doesn't even matter what was the object of the bench itself). nVidia being them never showed a slide where the competition is mentioned they only compare the new gen vs the current gen (tones down the hype).
7. Apart from the 700 series every Titan delivered what was promised(and that's cuz they didn't use the full chip in the Titan).

Long story short rushed, unpolished release. Jack all support. Denying the reviewers a sample. AMD is trying to do what nVidia does with the Titan but it's clearly not in the position to do so. In other words AMD just pulled another classic "AMD cock-up". Again this is my POV, had high hopes for this ... but then again I should've known better...

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

is this another hype train as last year with the rx480 ? $200 rx480 will be as fast as gtx980ti/1070 and ALL FUTURE GAMES will be on DX12 or Vulkan.

 

[Aenra]

@I No So basically this is "only your POV" and you don't really care and anyway Titans/prosumer cards are rip offs.. but simultaneously, you're disappointed, lol?

+1

@mrthanhnguyen I was never aboard any hype train, that's for children and dysfunctionals. I value performance in one kind of rig, price/performance in another, usage depending. I spend my money accordingly and feel good while at it (supporting the "better".. other.. smaller team). The rest is you people exaggerating and/or putting way too much weight in a simple product that end of the day?
Won't change your life either way, sorry

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

Latest update shows 4375rpm fan speed and 81c temps in Witcher 3 @1600MHz gpu.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

its wiki..it can be off.

Links would be awesome...I'm not going through another thread of 'take hugh at his word when others posted supporting links' again...

...lets see it bud.

Quite a few more large games have dx12 options. There are thousands of games released every year, so good luck getting through all of them, but there definitely are more games with dx12 (options) than bf1 amd forza. DX12 is mainstream, vulkan is niche and yet there are roughly as many games of each according to wikipedia. The vulkan list may be right, but the dx12 list sure as hell isn't. Just about every new game tested seems to have optional dx12 nowadays and barely any of them made it the list.

Many of the games without API stated can run in dx12 mode it seems.

 

[Steevo]

Also, Can you game on Nvidia Quadro / AMD Pro cards?

yes, yes you can. And performance is about the same as their gaming counterpart.

So I see no reason not to use VEGA FE to indicate RX VEGA gaming performance.


The denial is strong and the end is nigh

Did he turn on ECC?

http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/nvidia-quadro-m6000,2-898-2.html

There are a LOT of hardware features that AMD may be giving away now to take the compute market back from Nvidia, so again, gaming means shit on a Pro card. Giving medium sized businesses better performance for their money is where AMD can make up ground they lost to compute.

Also, what end is nigh?

 

[Agony]

I was waiting something like 30.000 graphics score like 1080ti aftermarket . 22.000 is way to low

 

[xkm1948]

Latest update shows 4375rpm fan speed and 81c temps in Witcher 3 @1600MHz gpu.

Geez, that is hot and probably loud.

 

[I No]

So basically this is "only your POV" and you don't really care and anyway Titans/prosumer cards are rip offs.. but simultaneously, you're disappointed, lol?

+1

I was never aboard any hype train, that's for children and dysfunctionals. I value performance in one kind of rig, price/performance in another. I spend my money accordingly and feel good while at it, supporting the "better" guys. The rest is you people exaggerating and/or putting way too much weight in a simple product that end of the day? Won't change your life either way, sorry

Thing is i'm kind of tired to pay "extra" because AMD kept fueling the hype and under-deliver. This is bad for business hell, I, like everyone else around these parts would like not to add a kidney to the price. Everyone wants the best performance/price ratio. But look at it this way if this is AMD's "top dog" would you be shocked if the next gen nVidia puts out will be even more expensive? Are you ok with paying through your teeth because there is no alternative? Dunno how you got the idea that i don't care about the pricing of the Titan. My POV still stands regarding this "launch" or whatever the heck this is. nVidia gets their fair share of bashing on this as well (no pro drivers for the Titan - when they denied reviewers a sample stating that "It's not for gaming" which is BS). To support the "better guys" you would actually need at least 2 sides and at this point AMD is offering last year's performance ($500) for $1000 how's this not shooting yourself in the foot? Did not expect to beat nVidia to the punch but at least put up a decent fight ....

 

[Deleted member 172152]

I was waiting something like 30.000 graphics score like 1080ti aftermarket . 22.000 is way to low

Optimized dx11 though. Only useful for prey. Every dx11 nvidia-biased game should perform worse, and newer games dx11/dx12 should be better than 1080 in vega FE's current state. Still not rx vega and there will always be 5-10% at least from driver updates with any gpu from either nvidia or AMD.

Expect rx vega to be half vega FE's price or so for both air and water. All the improvements over the next month or so will make it a 1080 priced just about 1080 ti competitor with a lot of potential for future otimized dx11, dx12 and vulkan games. DiRT 4 will love vega hopefully!

 

[Steevo]

Geez, that is hot and probably loud.

"
You were asking for pro tests results as follows ((SPECPerfview12_1_1):

Now proper shock. Finished SPECPerfview12_1_1 test on VEGA FE and is almost on par with Quadro P6000 and P5000 with the same settings. Biggest difference is that VEGA FE price was £977 and is running in my PC and both Quadro benchmark results are taken from spec.org as follows:

P6000
https://www.spec.org/gwpg/g...

P5000
https://www.spec.org/gwpg/g...

...and of course both are in workstations with Xeon CPU's, then no compare to my PC.

VEGA is perfectly prepared for PRO, it behaves completely different no issues at all, it is quiet.. and you get so MUCH performance per dollar is just amazing (compare to Quadro cards - P5000 -£2000, P6000 - £4000 to £5000).

Please look at the screen shots as follows:

1. Vega results - all benchmark frame rates and my platform
2. Vega results - rest of the settings from my platform
3. SPECPerfView12_1_1 - initial settings, as per spec.org I've run it with defaults to make sure that it will match uploaded results on their websites
4. All the numbers on the same image and as you can see most of the time VEGA is on par with those two (again not in workstation but standard PC)."


$1000 card performing as well as $5000 green card, and its quiet........ not throttling.... hmmm. Anything else you wanna bitch about?

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

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$1000 card performing as well as $5000 green card, and its quiet........ not throttling.... hmmm. Anything else you wanna bitch about?

In all fairness, I can pretty much guarantee over 4000rpm radial fan pushing air through fin array is anything but quiet. Laws of physics still apply, even to AMD. No throttling though, and I wouldn't really expect at that fan speed.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Geez, that is hot and probably loud.

Still better than Hawaii... 14C man.

 

[Aenra]

i'm kind of tired to pay "extra" because AMD kept fueling the hype and under-deliver ... Everyone wants the best performance/price ratio

You're not forced to do anything, ever; that's one
On top of that, you have zero, absolute no reason to even think that the gaming-oriented version will cost more than Nvidia's; don't know where you saw that 'extra', but it goes with what i was saying before. We need to approach this more.. reasonably. Feels like you've added some hyperbole to the equation, then used it to conclude you're right to be disappointed.
Now in terms of the hype.. why did you allow any hype to influence you in the first place? Are we not in the 21st century? Who is it that has yet to learn how marketing is done or, even better, how better it is to let the customers do the marketing for the company? You've only yourself to blame if you fell for that, and that's the truth.

As to the latter part i quote above; NO. That's you thinking like that; skewed perceptions, a market gone haywire because that's how they prefer you to think. Do all of you here drive Porsches? Live in $1000000 mansions? No. If you get a second toddler and are in need of a new house, what you gonna do? Buy the mansion or go under the river?
Whom is it that said we must want the 'bestest'?
And by the way, because 99% i know the reply to this last bit.. if let's say it's 5% slower than the 1080Ti.. is that 'worstest'? 'Fail'? How exactly could you measure anything when all you go by is 'bestest'? Again, rather.. skewed criteria there.

*same goes for price-performance ratio.. who told you that's what everyone wants? Some have money to burn and do so just because, some purchase due to an emotional drive, others due to past impressions/familiarity, etc etc.. this "everyone" is just dead wrong. Keep it limited to what -you- want. And why it is you allowed yourself to form an opinion before it was even out (hype).

Take it or leave it, am not defending them. Am only showing you how this is very, very problematic; and most folks don't even see it no more.

 

[Steevo]

In all fairness, I can pretty much guarantee over 4000rpm radial fan pushing air through fin array is anything but quiet. Laws of physics still apply, even to AMD. No throttling though, and I wouldn't really expect at that fan speed.

not to insult you, but I will take the word of someone with an actual card over your ideas.

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

not to insult you, but I will take the word of someone with an actual card over your ideas.

After 10 years of similar fan and cooling designs you expect THIS time it changes everything how radial coolers have worked? Having reviewed and/or owned probably in excess of 100 graphics card, very many with radial fan designs, I do find your ignorance to reality a bit insulting.