AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Unboxed, Benchmarked

[dwade]

So Vega is looking to compete against the upcoming GTX 2060... maybe even GTX 2050 if Nvidia is generous.

 

[EarthDog]

Still a 1080 score (just look at the graphics) in a dx11 synthetic bench with a dx12 optimized card with workstation optimizations as well! Not exactly representative of rx vega and the drivers will get some improvements, but it's still a decent score and a pretty good card for a gaming prosumer. New benches soon apparently and we should get a few more professional reviews once reviewers get their cards, which they had to buy with their own money.

I just keep wondering why so many people care about a prosumer card...

 

[R-T-B]

I just keep wondering why so many people care about a prosumer card...

Because it's VEGAGAGAGAGAGAGA!

Sorry, I had to.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I just keep wondering why so many people care about a prosumer card...

Look at the obsession with UFO, bigfoot, Champ, Loch Ness Monster, Abominable Snowman, etc. People grab at anything that is in the neighborhood of related.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Man, why didn't AMD come up with this brilliant plan faster? Release a new GPU with 40% less IPC, woohoo.

Gimme a break. The retardation of commenters (have you seen vidcardz and wcctardtech) is only rivaled by the people posting this shit show for clicks.

 

[fullinfusion]

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty skeptical that that's what's going on here, or even was in your case. Low voltages / under delivered power don't cause low benchmarks, they cause instabilities, crashes, or even hardware damage. Most likely outcome of overloading a PSU is actually a hard shutdown, as it won't "not get enough juice." PSU's are a pull technology, they will attempt to deliver the requested wattage, or if built well, shutdown when unable. Whether they do it with acceptable ripple or without an electrical fire is another matter.

Dont be sorry, I don't think so neither in this case. But my case was an oddity to say the least.. was able to replicate the issue in two different rigs and when I said caused lower scores I didn't say how much it lowered them. Dirty and erratic power can cause a bunch of different issues and in my instance it was just a psu that was at the end of its life.. mind you this is going back a number of years too and tech has changed alot too. I'm not going to say a better psu will raise numbers but a clean line of power will definitely hold the numbers.

 

[EarthDog]

Because it's VEGAGAGAGAGAGAGA!

Sorry, I had to.

Look at the obsession with UFO, bigfoot, Champ, Loch Ness Monster, Abominable Snowman, etc. People grab at anything that is in the neighborhood of related.

I get that, you can, sort of, maybe, assume that performance out of a pure gaming card should be faster. If this is 1070 speeds (not saying it is) and at 300W, that isn't great. But again, its a flagship part, who really cares... just manage the heat in the case and noise, right? I still have to image Vega ( or VEGAVEGAVEGAVEGAVEGAVEGAVEGA!! as some call it ), the actual gaming card, to be around 1080Ti performance or slightly better. But if all of that is true, it has a lot of ground to make up.

 

[HD64G]

So Vega is looking to compete against the upcoming GTX 2060... maybe even GTX 2050 if Nvidia is generous.

Not any chance that we are going to see 50% more performance from Pascal to next gen, even if it's Volta based and not a refresh from 10X0 series as some sources suggest. So, keep trolling...

 

[xkm1948]

People try to bench VEGA FE against other gaming cards:

Fanboys: No no no, this is a PROSUMER card. It is NOT for gaming.

People try to bench VEGA FE against other workstation cards:

Fanboys: No no no, this is a PROSUMER card you cannot compare it to Quandro, UNFAIR blah blah blah.


People: So can we bench this AGAINST ANYTHING?

Fanboys: I guess NO?

Raja@RTG: YES, this is EXACTLY why we push VEGA as a "prosumer" card. The fanboys will defend us like mad men.


In reality, Vega FE is an abomination. It is neither for gaming nor for content creation. Or it is both for gaming and content creation.

This is some excellent(shitty) marketing right there. Well played Raja, well played RTG.

I get that, you can, sort of, maybe, assume that performance out of a pure gaming card should be faster. If this is 1070 speeds (not saying it is) and at 300W, that isn't great. But again, its a flagship part, who really cares... just manage the heat in the case and noise, right? I still have to image Vega ( or VEGAVEGAVEGAVEGAVEGAVEGAVEGA!! as some call it ), the actual gaming card, to be around 1080Ti performance or slightly better. But if all of that is true, it has a lot of ground to make up.

In Vulkan and well optimized DX12 applications I imagine that to become reality.



Also new sauce:

 

[Steevo]

So a card sold not as a gaming card, performs poorly in gaming, likely due to.

1) Forced application paths, you know, forcing true or HDR color on everything, forcing redundancy checks on everything to make sure rendered calculations are correct.
2) Immature drivers, and drivers specifically not for performance gaming that probably have hooks for other applications to read data and or dump data about render stages.
3) Looking at the card they have probably tuned the profile to keep temps low and fan speed low as it is essentially a workstation card.
4) Not being a gaming card.

I wonder if people who buy Prius cars are surprised they don't go as well as a Tesla, cause, they are both electric, have four wheels and a steering wheel, have windows that roll up and down, seat belts, and rear seats....

People try to bench VEGA FE against other gaming cards:

Fanboys: No no no, this is a PROSUMER card. It is NOT for gaming.

People try to bench VEGA FE against other workstation cards:

Fanboys: No no no, this is a PROSUMER card you cannot compare it to Quandro, UNFAIR blah blah blah.


People: So can we bench this AGAINST ANYTHING?

Fanboys: I guess NO?

Raja@RTG: YES, this is EXACTLY why we push VEGA as a "prosumer" card. The fanboys will defend us like mad men.


In reality, Vega FE is an abomination. It is neither for gaming nor for content creation. Or it is both for gaming and content creation.

This is some excellent(shitty) marketing right there. Well played Raja, well played RTG.




In Vulkan and well optimized DX12 applications I imagine that to become reality.

What a great and helpful post. Did you write it all by yourself? Do you understand what the card is for? Do you understand Vega FE is meant for midsized business to do things like oil exploration and other modeling? Game companies to use when rendering scenes and dumping data to see where and if any bottlenecks occur?

probably not, now run along while the adults talk.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

People try to bench VEGA FE against other gaming cards:

Fanboys: No no no, this is a PROSUMER card. It is NOT for gaming.

People try to bench VEGA FE against other workstation cards:

Fanboys: No no no, this is a PROSUMER card you cannot compare it to Quandro, UNFAIR blah blah blah.


People: So can we bench this AGAINST ANYTHING?

Fanboys: I guess NO?

Raja@RTG: YES, this is EXACTLY why we push VEGA as a "prosumer" card. The fanboys will defend us like mad men.


In reality, Vega FE is an abomination. It is neither for gaming nor for content creation. Or it is both for gaming and content creation.

This is some excellent(shitty) marketing right there. Well played Raja, well played RTG.




In Vulkan and well optimized DX12 applications I imagine that to become reality.

Gaming cards can be great for prosumers (basic stuff) but could use a few optimizations. Vega FE has those optimizations to make it a great basic high-end workstation card. Sounds odd, but some programs just don't need all the quadro/wx drivers or optimizations. Vega FE isn't trying to compete with quadros or gaming cards. It's meant for people who can use something like a titan Xp for professional use, only vega FE is more geared towards the "pro" in prosumer and less towards "rich idiots" who apparently are in the same category as normal prosumers.

 

[xkm1948]

Gaming cards can be great for prosumers (basic stuff) but could use a few optimizations. Vega FE has those optimizations to make it a great basic high-end workstation card. Sounds odd, but some programs just don't need all the quadro/wx drivers or optimizations.

Actual work station users WILL go for Quandro as nVidia driver and tech support is way better than AMD's. Also this price is not anywhere cheap.

So a card sold not as a gaming card, performs poorly in gaming, likely due to.

1) Forced application paths, you know, forcing true or HDR color on everything, forcing redundancy checks on everything to make sure rendered calculations are correct.
2) Immature drivers, and drivers specifically not for performance gaming that probably have hooks for other applications to read data and or dump data about render stages.
3) Looking at the card they have probably tuned the profile to keep temps low and fan speed low as it is essentially a workstation card.
4) Not being a gaming card.

I wonder if people who buy Prius cars are surprised they don't go as well as a Tesla, cause, they are both electric, have four wheels and a steering wheel, have windows that roll up and down, seat belts, and rear seats....

Ah, I was waiting for some good old car analogy here. Kinda impossible for a thread to go on without some people using this.

VEGA FE and RX VEGA use the exact the same GPU. Does your lovely Prius and Tesla use the exact same engine? I think not.

And yeah if reasoning fails you resort to another good old tactic---personal attack. How mature of you.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Actual work station users WILL go for Quandro as nVidia driver and tech support is way better than AMD's. Also this price is not anywhere cheap.

Surely there is a market for Titans and vega FE? Haven't seen a single vega FE in stock yet.

 

[jabbadap]

Well let see Fury X is by fp32 flops as 2*64*64*1.05=8601.6GFlops. Vega FE is by amds mentioned typical core clock 2*64*64*1.382=11321.344GFlops. Fury X gets by guru3ds firestrike test as 16 081 GPU score, from that VEGA FE should get at least 16 081*11 321.344/8601.6=21 166 as gpu score. From peak core clock of 1.6GHz same estimation would be gpu score of 24 504. If we but things on perspective by looking nvidia's figures from guru3D vanilla gtx 1080 FE gets gpu score 21 905 and vanilla gtx 1080 ti FE gets gpu score 28 340.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Before we really place judgement I just want to see a FULL review of this thing.


Things like 16GB of HBM2, HBC (which allows for a 512 TB frame-buffer!), rapid packed math, and the rest of the bells and whistles could make this incredible at certain work-loads.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some professional apps that got massive boosts from Vega, and like everyone says we need real game benchmarks (and a stable boost clock) to see how this does in gaming.

 

[Steevo]

Actual work station users WILL go for Quandro as nVidia driver and tech support is way better than AMD's. Also this price is not anywhere cheap.



Ah, I was waiting for some good old car analogy here. Kinda impossible for a thread to go on without some people using this.

VEGA FE and RX VEGA use the exact the same GPU. Does your lovely Prius and Tesla use the exact same engine? I think not.

And yeah if reasoning fails you resort to another good old tactic---personal attack. How mature of you.

Funny enough, the Prius has and engine, the Tesla has electric motors.

Where and how do you know the Vega FE and RX have the same GPU?

The only test to come out of this is from someone who said "i don't know WattMan or these settings, I'm sorry" and the last test was at 1080 levels, on a non-gaming card.

The only personal part was a response to calling anyone who says to wait, and that this is a prosumer card a fanboi, so pot and kettle mate. Based solely on one person, with no knowledge of the product, in a system that is unknown, and highly unlikely to be able to be reproduced..... its a bit unfair to call the game at this point.

 

[Ruru]

I don't believe that "PSU is too underrated so it the card speed throttles" theory, when I had Pentium D 935 @ 4GHz with Radeon HD4850 on 300W PSU, the system just shut down if the power draw was too high. I had to undervolt the card to keep the system from shutting down.

 

[Captain_Tom]

I don't believe that "PSU is too underrated so it the card speed throttles" theory, when I had Pentium D 935 @ 4GHz with Radeon HD4850 on 300W PSU, the system just shut down if the power draw was too high. I had to undervolt the card to keep the system from shutting down.

It can happen buddy, so don't act like this isn't a possible thing (I have seen it in person like many other people here). Nonetheless I also somewhat doubt that's what it is.

Doesn't matter though: This guy clearly is a noob, and 3Dmark is a wast of energy. Real games and professional apps are what matters.

 

[Kyuuba]

It makes my eyes hurt when i read PSU wattage affects score. Please.

 

[Gasaraki]

LOL, I laugh when people say the PSU is the "bottleneck". That's not how it works...

If the PSU is not supplying enough power, the computer will crash, not get low scores in firestrike.

OMG.

 

[Ruru]

It can happen buddy, so don't act like this isn't a possible thing (I have seen it in person like many other people here). Nonetheless I also somewhat doubt that's what it is.

Doesn't matter though: This guy clearly is a noob, and 3Dmark is a wast of energy. Real games and professional apps are what matters.

I don't doubt it, but never had that problem myself. Several years ago I built a Sims-PC for my ex-girlfriend with i3-530 & GTX470 and ran without problems with Delta 350W PSU. Just saying that I haven't ever experienced anything like that.

 

[xkm1948]

Also, Can you game on Nvidia Quadro / AMD Pro cards?

yes, yes you can. And performance is about the same as their gaming counterpart.

So I see no reason not to use VEGA FE to indicate RX VEGA gaming performance.

It makes my eyes hurt when i read PSU wattage affects score. Please.

The denial is strong and the end is nigh

 

[Italia1]

Remember Amd driver team ? Was working for create ready drivers at Vega launch.... Something gone wrong ?

 

[rtwjunkie]

Remember Amd driver team ? Was working for create ready drivers at Vega launch.... Something gone wrong ?

Which Vega launch is that? This isn't the gaming card release, therefore no drivers yet.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Also, Can you game on Nvidia Quadro / AMD Pro cards?

yes, yes you can. And performance is about the same as their gaming counterpart.

So I see no reason not to use VEGA FE to indicate RX VEGA gaming performance.

The denial is strong and the end is nigh

Rx vega will a) have higher clockspeeds and b) be less like a wx card and c) have better gaming drivers at launch since AMD likely left those for last. Dunno why, but vega FE doesn't seem to know what the hell it's supposed to be other than a generic prosumer card.

Firestrike is always going to favour pascal, simply because it's dx11. Vega is designed for dx12 and mainly vulkan. Than again, DiRT 4, what I believe is a dx11 game, performs really well with an rx 580, so with the right optimizations vega should run well in any game. Just one problem: not many game devs can be bothered to optimize their games, especially for AMD! At least it won't be as bad as ryzen 7 at launch. Some games have nearly doubled 1080p framerates!

Can we at least wait untill we get proper reviews and at least one gaming driver update? That way we know AMD has spent time on the gaming drivers and the reviewer actually has a clue what on earth he's doing. 1080 performance in firestrike is great, but I expect at least 10% better from vega FE and much closer to 1080 ti with rx vega with driver optimizations, increased clockspeeds, etc.