Intel Says AMD EPYC Processors "Glued-together" in Official Slide Deck

[DeathtoGnomes]

Pretty sure someone at Intel was just desperate. This is just starting, AMD has not come out with their Version 2 Ryzen.

its "Ryzen PRO"

 

[jigar2speed]

its "Ryzen PRO"

More like Thread Ripper

 

[ensabrenoir]

What next Intel.... RGB heat spreaders and racing stripes ....this is almost too bad to be true like Intel doing it on purpose. Maybe in there is an angle in the long game I'm not seeing.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

More like Thread Ripper

You should know what version means here, AMDs Ryzen version 2 is the PRO market. Threadripper is another socket, considered another tier. Version 3 could be considered the APU chips later this year.

 

[FrustratedGarrett]

AMD themselves underestimated Ryzen and thought it was only about 40% faster than Bulldozer, core-to-core. That's why they released 2-CCX chips first. The truth of the matter is, Ryzen is a huge success for AMD. Jim Keller and his team did an excellent job. It's a shame Jim and most of his team have left AMD.

I don't think AMD will be able to remain competitive in the long run. Look at what happened to their graphics products after they let their Canadian graphics IP team leave, back in 2012, and moved their graphics design operations to China: GCN after 5 years is still pretty much the same, with a few improvements here and there.
Nvidia's Pascal chips hold a big advantage over GCN both in terms of performance/power and performance/die size.

 

[S@LEM!]

here we go again Intel PR

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

AMD themselves underestimated Ryzen and thought it was only about 40% faster than Bulldozer, core-to-core. That's why they released 2-CCX chips first. The truth of the matter is, Ryzen is a huge success for AMD. Jim Keller and his team did an excellent job. It's a shame Jim and most of his team have left AMD.

I don't think AMD will be able to remain competitive in the long run. Look at what happened to their graphics products after they let their Canadian graphics IP team leave, back in 2012, and moved their graphics design operations to China: GCN after 5 years is still pretty much the same, with a few improvements here and there.
Nvidia's today holds a massive advantage over GCN both in terms of performance/power and performance/die size.

define "long run". If its what I think you mean, not only will AMD remain competitive, it will push Intel to reconsider their strategy and maybe we will see another price war. It hard to say at this point, who will claim "the lead", I dont care one way or the other, but maybe the result will be that we some real far fetched innovation beyond anything we seen so far.

 

[Mirkoskji]

 

[bug]

@Raevenlord You really had to illustrate a comment about Epyc with Ryzen benchmarks?

To everybody else, go read Anandtech's review. While Intel worded this disingenuously (to put it mildly), there are drawbacks to AMD's approach which show when looking at enterprise CPUs. They're still well worth their money, as that review concludes.

And as noted at Arstechnica, since Intel keeps segmenting their offer by features, it can be safely assumed they're not currently feeling that much heat from Epyc.

 

[Octopuss]

Someone explain the glue thing to me, because I don't see anything like that mentioned in the post.

 

[EarthDog]

@Raevenlord You really had to illustrate a comment about Epyc with Ryzen benchmarks?

To everybody else, go read Anandtech's review. While Intel worded this disingenuously (to put it mildly), there are drawbacks to AMD's approach which show when looking at enterprise CPUs. They're still well worth their money, as that review concludes.

And as noted at Arstechnica, since Intel keeps segmenting their offer by features, it can be safely assumed they're not currently feeling that much heat from Epyc.

Ahhhh, light in a very dark room...

Should name this a 'Zen' thread for AMD users now...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Someone explain the glue thing to me, because I don't see anything like that mentioned in the post.

I guess you didn't read the slides then?

 

[LogitechFan]

all the butthurt amd girls above tho Happy just to see amd back on intel slides? I thought you know better?!

And by the way, by the way.... it IS glued together, like it or not

 

[OneCool]

Now the glue is being disruptive!!

 

[ShurikN]

1p

And as noted at Arstechnica, since Intel keeps segmenting their offer by features, it can be safely assumed they're not currently feeling that much heat from Epyc.

If they didn't feel the heat, they wouldn't have made those slides.

 

[Vya Domus]

Hold on to your 7700K mates ! The Xeons are taking over for gaming ! Intel says so , along with "premium VR" and "12K gaming". God bless.

Damn these slides remind me of the 90's. Using red crosses on competing products , wish they could include the buzzing sound as well. Marketing is rock bottom at Intel apparently. They got to take some of them billions and put them in there.

This must be a joke right ?

 

[Raevenlord]

@Raevenlord You really had to illustrate a comment about Epyc with Ryzen benchmarks?

To everybody else, go read Anandtech's review. While Intel worded this disingenuously (to put it mildly), there are drawbacks to AMD's approach which show when looking at enterprise CPUs. They're still well worth their money, as that review concludes.

And as noted at Arstechnica, since Intel keeps segmenting their offer by features, it can be safely assumed they're not currently feeling that much heat from Epyc.

Intel opened that door when they themselves offered the comparison with the R7 1800X in their slides, comparing a Xeon with a Ryzen.

However, if you read that Anandtech article, you know that server and Epyc-wise, it's kind of the same:

AMD does that with 8 more cores in total. So I don't think that was uncalled for.

Bug: updated the story with those AMD EPYC power consumption figures versus Intel's offerings, and I'd say that EPYC's power/performance ratio is much better than the Ryzen example I originally gave. Bad for Intel. So as you see, I wasn't obfuscating anything =) But the added info does make the story better, so thanks for calling my attention to that.

 

[silentbogo]

Lol.
This move actually reminds me of similar campaign strategies AMD pulled in its worst days. Next thing you know - Intel will start each of their tech presentations and demos with a lengthy list of achievements and innovation they brought into the world over the past half-a-century, and how unfair the market is

Now, imagine what's going to follow with Kaby Lake G release, which expected to arrive on the market soon, featuring a catchy "mix and match" heterogenous design.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Pretty sure someone at Intel was just desperate. This is just starting, AMD has not come out with their Version 2 Ryzen.

Also, you know you`re doing the right thing when competition trash talks you instead of showing performance numbers

The new "scalable architecture" is tanking. IPC has decreased for the stuff their fanboys cry about like gaming. It's below broadwell IPC, apparently lol

 

[_JP_]

And as noted at Arstechnica, since Intel keeps segmenting their offer by features, it can be safely assumed they're not currently feeling that much heat from Epyc.

That or denial...

And by the way, by the way.... it IS glued together, like it or not

And the question is: What is a UPI?
Intel's IMC better deliver, otherwise its proposition will fall flat on its face.

 

[Mattfucj]

Holy crap Intel, ugly. You already lost my money this year (I do dozens of builds) keep it up and you'll lose me for life.

 

[Raevenlord]

Ahhhh, light in a very dark room...

Should name this a 'Zen' thread for AMD users now...

EarthDog, updated the story, I suppose you'll like it better this way =)

Though as you see, there was no obfuscation there. Those figures actually make Intel look worse.

 

[dozenfury]

A larger takeaway for me is that it's a good sign that AMD is being mentioned as a competitor. For years Intel has basically just completely ignored them as irrelevant in slides and marketing. I still have some doubts about Ryzen and Threadripper performance, and 30w nowadays isn't much to a datacenter (disk frames are the real power hogs). But being in the ballpark again is a big plus.

 

[Durvelle27]

 

[TheLaughingMan]

A larger takeaway for me is that it's a good sign that AMD is being mentioned as a competitor. For years Intel has basically just completely ignored them as irrelevant in slides and marketing. I still have some doubts about Ryzen and Threadripper performance, and 30w nowadays isn't much to a datacenter (disk frames are the real power hogs). But being in the ballpark again is a big plus.

Its also a good selling point if it holds up on release. Data center with chip counts in the hundreds or thousands looking to spend millions on a upgrade, AMD looks good if they can throw a cherry on top with "Well you also save tens of thousands or kWh in power use each month too."