Intel Says AMD EPYC Processors "Glued-together" in Official Slide Deck

[Vya Domus]

Something else that I noticed :

"Repurposed desktop product for server" ?

Isn't it the other way around ? Zen architecture was clearly designed to be multipurpose with an emphasis on the server side of things. And isn't the new line of Xeons using the same architecture as the desktop Skylake-X ? Haven't they done supposedly the same thing in this case ?

I keep wondering if they do not care or that they really have no idea what to do. They are a business after all.

 

[Hood]

The tortoise almost catches up to the hare, so the hare makes a mad scrambling dash for the finish line, finishing first, but just barely. Rethinks strategy for the next race. Decides to fight dirty...

 

[efikkan]

It seems like 2017 is going to be the year TPU reach their lowest level of journalistic standards ever.

Sure, Intel publishes some PR BS with their new products, with some edge cases and false comparisons to shed the best possible light on the products. So what? AMD and Nvidia does the exact same thing. I'm still waiting for Vega to give us that 4× performance per watt they promised…

 

[jahramika]

Intel are also refering to EPYC as being desktop dies used for server, but as I understand it Ryzen is actually server dies used for desktop as the whole eco-system was created with the server market in mind.

That is the funny part because it looks like they could have made a few design concept changes and made Zen better for gaming but they did not goal was to make the best core for servers first!

 

[jigar2speed]

You should know what version means here, AMDs Ryzen version 2 is the PRO market. Threadripper is another socket, considered another tier. Version 3 could be considered the APU chips later this year.

Come on man, never go full literal, take life lightly a bit.

 

[jahramika]

The fact that AMD got back in Intel's slides is a huge win for AMD.

They did it all on a process nod

Come on man, never go full literal, take life lightly a bit.

I do going 4 wheeling in the mountains all next week!

 

[HD64G]

"Dear" Intel, I can clearly see you are a bit bitter atm. Wait for Ryzen APUs (mobile and desktop ones), Threadripper and EPYC. THEN you will have a really GREAT time...

 

[jahramika]

"Dear" Intel, I can clearly see you are a bit bitter atm. Wait for Ryzen APUs (mobile and desktop ones), Threadripper and EPYC. Then you will have a really good time...

YA I am wondering how Thread Ripper will do and even more the new APU connected with Infinity Fabric CPU/GPU cores performance.

 

[refillable]

Epyc damage control right there Intel, huehuehue.

 

[bug]

Something else that I noticed :

"Repurposed desktop product for server" ?

Isn't it the other way around ? Zen architecture was clearly designed to be multipurpose with an emphasis on the server side of things. And isn't the new line of Xeons using the same architecture as the desktop Skylake-X ? Haven't they done supposedly the same thing in this case ?

I keep wondering if they do not care or that they really have no idea what to do. They are a business after all.

Intel's own architectures have been built to scale down into mobile space (think laptops/ultrabooks, not smartphones) for a number of years now and Nvidia's Pascal is pretty much reused as it is for both desktop and mobile. So I'm not even sure why a scalable architecture is a bad thing all of a sudden.
Sure, it will probably never be as effective as a specialized architecture, but all things considered, it helps lower the cost into mortal realms.

 

[R0H1T]

The tortoise almost catches up to the hare, so the hare makes a mad scrambling dash for the finish line, finishing first, but just barely. Rethinks strategy for the next race. Decides to fight dirty...

Huffing & puffing right till the finish line, though in reality the race will last a lot longer, not to mention the hare is suffering from heatstroke atm

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-intel-skylake-x-overclocking-thermal-issues,5117.html

 

[Fx]

It seems like 2017 is going to be the year TPU reach their lowest level of journalistic standards ever.

Sure, Intel publishes some PR BS with their new products, with some edge cases and false comparisons to shed the best possible light on the products. So what? AMD and Nvidia does the exact same thing. I'm still waiting for Vega to give us that 4× performance per watt they promised…

You missed the point bud...

Intel haven't had to do this in a very long time. The very fact that they are is very big news regardless of the full context.

 

[Vya Domus]

Intel's own architectures have been built to scale down into mobile space (think laptops/ultrabooks, not smartphones) for a number of years now and Nvidia's Pascal is pretty much reused as it is for both desktop and mobile. So I'm not even sure why a scalable architecture is a bad thing all of a sudden.
Sure, it will probably never be as effective as a specialized architecture, but all things considered, it helps lower the cost into mortal realms.

I was being sarcastic , of course all of them should strive for scalability. But these slides prove that they are stuck with an old design mentality and are too stunborn to admit that AMD is undercutting them big time with little compromise ( or glue ).

They should be carful though because this thorn that AMD is might get stuck in their side because of the glue.

 

[cdawall]

You know it wasn't that long ago when amd called the c2q a glued together chip while bragging about phenom I. A chip that really had no room to brag. Some of the points Intel has made are correct and I would still like to see a heavy io test on the epyc chips. Load the pcie and memory controller like you would using a gpu to render on a 2p. I want to see how infinity fabric (amds glue) works under load tonsee if it falters like the fsb did for Intel.

 

[wurschti]

Glued together like Core2Quad, right Intel?

Oh, and those glued together dies kicked Xeons ass in the price/performance and power.

Nope, like Pentium D. Oh wait, that wasn't even glued together... Maybe taped lol

 

[bug]

You know it wasn't that long ago when amd called the c2q a glued together chip while bragging about phenom I. A chip that really had no room to brag. Some of the points Intel has made are correct and I would still like to see a heavy io test on the epyc chips. Load the pcie and memory controller like you would using a gpu to render on a 2p. I want to see how infinity fabric (amds glue) works under load tonsee if it falters like the fsb did for Intel.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/17

But read the whole review, one page does not paint the whole picture. Hell, the whole review doesn't paint the whole picture, because, as noted, the CPUs were available for a short time, but it's more than enough to give an idea about each contestant's strengths ans weaknesses.

 

[Siman00]

What is that BS about gaming power consumption of Ryzen??? Of course it has lower power consumption because of the limits of the Ryzen architecture it can't be properly utilized and provides sub par performance to an "only" 4 core chip...Actually Ryzen's single core performance is sh..t and a lot of applications still relies on lightly threaded performance where high single core performance is needed. Overclockability of Ryzen is mostly presented as 4 GHz as a matter of course, but that's not the case, lot of Ryzens are really rubbish binned and some can't even do 3.8 GHz.

Have to agree with this I have gotten a 1700 to 4.2, but with some eye watering voltages. They do say to keep them lower so Im at the max AMD recommends with ryzen cpus, 1.35 so im at 1.35@4.0. My 1800x and 1700x have 0 problems clocking higher though at 1.35 both can hit 4.2. But I do find the spot with ryzen is 4.0 like stated even down to the 1600. They dont like to clock but for the price and the thread count Im not complaining one bit. I have a hadron air EVGA build with a 7700k and a 1080ti I swapped the 1080ti over into my 1700 build since Im still waiting on GPUs... The FPS counter stated I was getting lower overall FPS, I wasn't surprised. But the thing that caught me off guard was the gaming experience seamed smoother overall. I noticed less dips as well. Curiosity made me try my old 5960X build with the same GPU and it felt just like the 7700k.

The only thing I can think that is happening is the IO speed and/or latency of AMD's PCIe buss controller/interconnect is far better than that of Intel. I wish someone could test this. I thought the extra cores helped AMD with background tasks and what not but the 5960X has the same core count. Given though its intel's now last gen CPU architecture.

 

[NicklasAPJ]

None of them are better, When AMD not are doing this,, Intel are. This will nerver end.

Just bring out Good CPUS and im happy.

 

[sergionography]

Lmao isn't everyone including intel and nvidia already talking about how mcm(multi chip modules) is the way of the future? Lol this will look bad when intel comes up with their own comparable glue technology a couple years down the road lol

 

[the54thvoid]

Taking everything technical out of this discussion, from a marketing (internal) point of view there is a fundamental truth to the comments here.
In marketing, you never deride the competition unless you believe they are a threat. It's that simple. Or, if you're the underdog, trying to prove your worth. Industry leaders do not NEED to prove their worth. So whether or not Intel's point is valid isn't that relevant. It's that they feel the need to 'reassure' their base that Intel is still superior.

 

[idx]

I think most people behind systems using Xeon processors, hopefully Epyc also in the near future, know much more than us about processors and stuff. Much much more.

Oh... you will be surprised.

 

[cdawall]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/17

But read the whole review, one page does not paint the whole picture. Hell, the whole review doesn't paint the whole picture, because, as noted, the CPUs were available for a short time, but it's more than enough to give an idea about each contestant's strengths ans weaknesses.

I did read that whole review. Note the clockspeeds

 

[Basard]

all the butthurt amd girls above tho Happy just to see amd back on intel slides? I thought you know better?!

And by the way, by the way.... it IS glued together, like it or not

Ya, but it's probably SUPERglue

 

[Konceptz]

Intel is acting like a jealous @ss b**ch LMAO, hilarious.

 

[Franzen4Real]

Intel is probably upset that they didn't patent "gluing" a heat spreader and CPU core together and now see this as a lost lawsuit opportunity.