German Company to Sell Binned Core i7 8700K With 99.9% Silver Heatspreader

[claes]

Thanks mate haha

I learned over the years that the internet is not a nice place

Wish I had more time to check and reply on all forums tho. There is just too many of them =)

Could you explain the choice for a silver IHS? Case-king.de is suggesting 8-12* drops as compared to an untapped, stock IHS - is this a liberal or conservative estimate?

Some users are worried about oxidization - is this something you guys evaluated when choosing silver?

No trolling here - if the results are conservative and oxidization isn't an issue then this is a really novel advancement to delidding! Any chance we can buy untapped silver IHS if we're to delid ourselves?

 

[jabbadap]

Well Mr @der8auer I know i3-8350k is kind of low end part for you, but have you de-lidded one? Is it really a disabled six core part or are intel just using old kaby lake cores on the new package?

 

[jihadjoe]

Good point and truly the kicker for me, they can't open consumer boxes then sell as new so their best avenue is their non price uplifted general pcs.
I would not buy a 8700k general system off them now as it's those chips that are most likely the shit binned chips, they Did have to test them but they then garunteed their non der8haur rated systems have definitely got shit chips in , how else could they do it.

Caseking sells tray versions of the 8700k which come with no retail packaging at all. I expect they're binning from those. The ones that OC well get the premium+delid treatment, the rest go back in the pile.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Caseking sells tray versions of the 8700k which come with no retail packaging at all. I expect they're binning from those. The ones that OC well get the premium+delid treatment, the rest go back in the pile.

Point is, if someone at a shop is picking out the best ones , and therein testing the one i might buy to make sure i got a shit one and that they definitely get more for the silicon gold ,then im not buying that product off them ,and due to this practice I would buy a packaged box with a bit of mystery and luck involved in the purchase, and less money.
And from what pile do they fill their oem pcs without der8haur branding?.

 

[INSTG8R]

While! I think this is unnecessary not sure why Der8auer is getting any flack. Nobody jumps on 8pack and his overpriced OCUK prebuilts?

 

[Kanan]

Imo this is worth it for people that have the money and want the very best without hassle. The silver IHS and liquid metal instead of intels crappy TIM is worth it for people that want the best performance without hassle. I don't quite get why people are reacting negatively to this:

a) the chip is delidded for you, you don't have to do it yourself, on top you get a warranty replacement that you otherwise simply wouldn't have

b) you get a guaranteed good chip

c) you get a better heatspreader.

This has some worth. Seems some people are unable to understand this and instead go on to hate on der8auer because he does things they can not - earn money with the things he loves.

 

[R-T-B]

Love all the mature comments tho Wonder what would happen if I'd start to insult random people like you guys do it on the forums here....

Don't take everything you read here seriously man. We're sort of a free for all in the comments section... well almost anyways.

debunked? Not sure if srs. Did you watch stuff as the OC3D update video where he confirmed it?

I'm the newsposter who covered your VRM issue BTW, no longer work here atm but did cover it. It is decidedly not "debunked" despite how people may like to spin it. What would be more correct to say is it may not matter to the casual user, but that is NOT debunking it.

Ever wondered why all X399 Boards have different heatsinks now than compared to computex launch?
Why does ASUS update the Apex heatsink? Why is there a new X299 Strix with updated heatsink? Why does ASRock OC Formula suddenly have a 2nd heatsink connected with heatpipe?

Despite our free for all nature, we regulars here at TPU appreciate a man who can argue his point too. And I agree with you there that the heatsinks were an issue, and the proof is in the replacements, so to speak.

Likewise, I hope you won't take my criticism of your product with silver as being an awful heatsink material as anything other than that: Constructive criticism. It's not like silver is the only option you offer anyways.

Thanks for stopping in.

While! I think this is unnecessary not sure why Der8auer is getting any flack. Nobody jumps on 8pack and his overpriced OCUK prebuilts?

Lol everyone does.

 

[jigar2speed]

You should not wrong a guy for guaranteeing a product to work at specific frequency with a better heatspreader, whats wrong in that ?

 

[FYFI13]

Der8auer is doing what everyone would do - using opportunity to make some cash. My only concern is those CPUs that did not clock well. They're going back into boxes and being sold as new? If that's the case then i might stay away from CaseKing for now.

 

[EarthDog]

Why would you believe they are being sold as new?

 

[[XC] Oj101]

This ^^^^^^ haha

Love all the mature comments tho Wonder what would happen if I'd start to insult random people like you guys do it on the forums here....

This, too Basically we do it because customers ask for it and of course any project like this is great for marketing (as you can see with your comments )

debunked? Not sure if srs. Did you watch stuff as the OC3D update video where he confirmed it?
Ever wondered why all X399 Boards have different heatsinks now than compared to computex launch?
Why does ASUS update the Apex heatsink? Why is there a new X299 Strix with updated heatsink? Why does ASRock OC Formula suddenly have a 2nd heatsink connected with heatpipe?

I really don't see why you need to defend yourself here. You found a niche in the market, so why the hell not.

 

[mouacyk]

This ^^^^^^ haha

Love all the mature comments tho Wonder what would happen if I'd start to insult random people like you guys do it on the forums here....





This, too Basically we do it because customers ask for it and of course any project like this is great for marketing (as you can see with your comments )




debunked? Not sure if srs. Did you watch stuff as the OC3D update video where he confirmed it?
Ever wondered why all X399 Boards have different heatsinks now than compared to computex launch?
Why does ASUS update the Apex heatsink? Why is there a new X299 Strix with updated heatsink? Why does ASRock OC Formula suddenly have a 2nd heatsink connected with heatpipe?

I'm actually interested in some empirical evidence to justify the alternative silver heat sink.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I'm actually interested in some empirical evidence to justify the alternative silver heat sink.

I would be interested in hearing his explanation of what happens to bin these chips and just as importantly where the sub grade chips end up.
Playing fair after a think they could be grading their process rather than the chips.
For example and explanation , they may not necessarily bin the best chips out of a thousand (this is hypothetical remember that), instead relying on their process (delid tim and Hs) to garauntee it will hit (their )spec , leaving no bad(persay) chips to sell n channel.
It would be nice to know how they are doing this.
I am fine with doing this and its premium from a consumer point of view, i would not buy one but i get why some would, but it's the question of how they bin that concerns me enough that id only buy packaged processors off caseking if i was buying, which to be fair im not.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm actually interested in some empirical evidence to justify the alternative silver heat sink.

+1

Considering the difference between coppe and silver as far as heat passing through it isn't much... you wonder if the expense is actually justified.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I would be interested in hearing his explanation of what happens to bin these chips and just as importantly where the sub grade chips end up.
Playing fair after a think they could be grading their process rather than the chips.
For example and explanation , they may not necessarily bin the best chips out of a thousand (this is hypothetical remember that), instead relying on their process (delid tim and Hs) to garauntee it will hit (their )spec , leaving no bad(persay) chips to sell n channel.
It would be nice to know how they are doing this.
I am fine with doing this and its premium from a consumer point of view, i would not buy one but i get why some would, but it's the question of how they bin that concerns me enough that id only buy packaged processors off caseking if i was buying, which to be fair im not.

If I understand @der8auer and the OP correctly, they test the chips First, and determine what they will reach comfortably.

THEN, they delid and repaste only those which meet the criteria. The others don't get delidded, since it is for the sake of cooling he is doing it after.

Regardless, they can't be new CPU anymore, but I'm sure he would not sell them as such.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

If I understand @der8auer and the OP correctly, they test the chips First, and determine what they will reach comfortably.

THEN, they delid and repaste only those which meet the criteria. The others don't get delidded, since it is for the sake of cooling he is doing it after.

Regardless, they can't be new CPU anymore, but I'm sure he would not sell them as such.

If that were the case then where are these pre tested(not upto it) marked down chips listed???.

I know and except caseking are not alone in selling pre spec'd chips but i have never , ever seen a shop listed cpu discounted due to this.

And I am so sure they do as im saying ie dump them in prebuilts etc that like i said before ,I personally would only buy a packaged chip now not tray.

 

[Franzen4Real]

99,9% silver heatspreader... lmao. This is entering territory of audiophile audio cables crafted by elves in moonlight.

I have a set of those!! They completely eliminated this nagging 37th order harmonic resonance. The midrange is now as clear and smooth as clarified butter, and the treble is MUCH more open and airy in the 60-80kHz range.

sorry for not adding to the discussion but the elf cables was my favorite line in the entire thread, and I refuse to give a 99.9% silver heat spreader any amount serious thought... Maybe they can also get Fatal1ty's logo on a clearance sale and add a red light edition for those that want to ensure they are getting completely screwed.

Point is, if someone at a shop is picking out the best ones , and therein testing the one i might buy to make sure i got a shit one and that they definitely get more for the silicon gold ,then im not buying that product off them ,and due to this practice I would buy a packaged box with a bit of mystery and luck involved in the purchase, and less money.

exactly

 

[claes]

You all realize that -k and -x processors are already binned, right?

Just like every other processor in Intel and AMD's lines?

If you pick a retail CPU up you are playing the silicon lottery. Period.

Chips that aren't selected by Silicon Lottery and Case-kings are exactly like the retail version, just unlikely to be the one in some number lottery ticket there binned chips are...

Seriously, we're talking 200-300mhz (at least with Intel )

 

[R-T-B]

I know and except caseking are not alone in selling pre spec'd chips but i have never , ever seen a shop listed cpu discounted due to this.

You haven't looked far then. Check the Silicon Lottery web store for examples.

 

[jihadjoe]

You all realize that -k and -x processors are already binned, right?

That doesn't mean you can't bin them again. Intel/AMD will do coarse binning and find chips that do 4.7GHz/4.1GHz to sell as 8700k/1800x, but companies like caseking and siliconlottery will sift through those again to find the ones that do 5.0/4.2.

 

[trparky]

Oh, 300 MHz more you say!!! I just have to find my wallet right now! /sarcasm

I would be quite damn happy with the chip at the stock speeds since hell, even at stock speeds the Core i7 8700K would be faster than my current Ivy Bridge Core i5 3570K @ 4.4 GHz. I can't get my chip to clock higher.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That doesn't mean you can't bin them again. Intel/AMD will do coarse binning and find chips that do 4.7GHz/4.1GHz to sell as 8700k/1800x, but companies like caseking and siliconlottery will sift through those again to find the ones that do 5.0/4.2.

Absolutely correct. And there's nothing wrong with this as it takes the guess work out of the equation for the consumers.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You haven't looked far then. Check the Silicon Lottery web store for examples.

Show me , because I just looked and all i saw we're delided overclocked and slightly to more marked up , so they're essentially just overclocking everything and charging you for what they find out, that's not a pre tested found wanting ,marked down example.

 

[R-T-B]

Show me , because I just looked and all i saw we're delided overclocked and slightly to more marked up , so they're essentially just overclocking everything and charging you for what they find out, that's not a pre tested found wanting ,marked down example.

*sighs*

Seriously dude, this took me like 5 seconds:

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/1950x38g

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113447&cm_re=1950X-_-19-113-447-_-Product

And I'm sure there are larger discounted ones than that.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

*sighs*

Seriously dude, this took me like 5 seconds:

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/1950x38g

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113447&cm_re=1950X-_-19-113-447-_-Product

And I'm sure there are larger discounted ones than that.

Fair enough but I wouldn't buy into that.