Intel Announces New Generation Xeon E Processor Family

[Assimilator]

The main reason that I buy Xeon is because it has better support in server platforms and also provides ECC capability for the servers I build. i7's and i5's do not support ECC

Celeron, Pentium and i3 do support ECC though, and for most home servers/NASes those chips will be more than good enough.

So what is the point of this? PCIe lanes?

These "Xeons" are simply Coffee Lake chips with a few bridges cut to enable ECC support and slightly different clock bins, and of course the price hiked - that's it. Allowing Intel to get more money from enterprise customers is the only point.

The "up to 40 PCIe lanes" is a new, sleazy Intel marketing strategy of combining the CPU and chipset lanes to make it look like the platform is far better than it is. I would love to see AMD hit back at this with a Ryzen marketing campaign, something along the lines of "our consumer CPUs support ECC, why can't yours Intel?" and/or "real CPUs have 24 real PCIe lanes".

Home server = ryzen easy, supports ECC.

In a small business it'd be maybe some ryzen embedded, threadripper or ofc xeon who all have official support for such application and thus are priced higher than a consumer ryzen which also supports it all unofficially as it's up to motherboard vendor.
But with consumer parts you usually can't go screaming to the vendor that it doesn't work as a server

There are a lot of claims floating around that Ryzen doesn't have "true" ECC, it just supports ECC memory. And even though the Ryzen CPU does, it's up to the motherboard vendors whether they want to support ECC on their boards - many do not. Finally, the Ryzen APUs do not support ECC, which means if you are building a home server you need a discrete GPU, which means you need a board with at least 2 PCIe slots if you want/need to run something like a RAID card, which rules out an mITX storage build.

It's funny to see people whinge about these products when they have always been very compelling alternatives to the normal i5/7 lineup...

The quad core HT variants of these might become very interesting alternatives next to the 4c4t i3s and 6c6t i5s

What exactly makes these chips more compelling than the Core line? 100MHz extra boost clocks?

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Its a good alternative if it can be used on the same motherboard as normal i3/i5/i7 but it isnt.

The motherboard selection is smaller but doesn't look particularly worse than what is available on the H/B/Z 1151 market...

 

[Apocalypsee]

The motherboard selection is smaller but doesn't look particularly worse than what is available on the H/B/Z 1151 market...

You're missing the point. It shouldn't require a different chipset in the first place. The price is high and looks on this board is mediocre at best because it's the server motherboard its highly unlikely a normal PC user will even think of purchasing Xeon with green PCB

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Guess you never even looked at what boards exist for c232/236...

 

[Apocalypsee]

Guess you never even looked at what boards exist for c232/236...

You assume. Like I said it priced higher than equivalent desktop board and most of them are green PCB.

 

[JoniISkandar]

The main reason that I buy Xeon is because it has better support in server platforms and also provides ECC capability for the servers I build. i7's and i5's do not support ECC

Threadripper support ECC 1900x has same 64 PCI lanes, ECC Support,, this low end xeon is stupid product

 

[Vayra86]

Just looks to be something amounting to throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
May be good for some server applications but clearly there's better to be had for less than these would go for. Also since it's a Xeon the price will be high too, doesn't make much sense at all for standard desktop use either.
Can't say they aren't trying but I see this hitting said wall and sliding down..... Like a pickle slung on a window.

We've all done that somewhere before......

Thank you for the vivid description there, I can truly see it now. lol

 

[Imsochobo]

There are a lot of claims floating around that Ryzen doesn't have "true" ECC, it just supports ECC memory. And even though the Ryzen CPU does, it's up to the motherboard vendors whether they want to support ECC on their boards - many do not. Finally, the Ryzen APUs do not support ECC, which means if you are building a home server you need a discrete GPU, which means you need a board with at least 2 PCIe slots if you want/need to run something like a RAID card, which rules out an mITX storage build.

the APU may not support it.
all other ryzen cpu's have exactly the same support as an Epyc which is a datacenter ready cpu, there are no differences apart from 4 cpu dies in epyc vs 1 in ryzen vs 2 in TR (which again officially supports it)
I successfully run real ECC on ryzen.

 

[notb]

the APU may not support it.
all other ryzen cpu's have exactly the same support as an Epyc which is a datacenter ready cpu, there are no differences apart from 4 cpu dies in epyc vs 1 in ryzen vs 2 in TR (which again officially supports it)
I successfully run real ECC on ryzen.

This is not a result of the Zen architecture being shared between consumer and server CPUs.
AMD CPUs have "provided" ECC for years - AFAIK at least since AM1.

Generally speaking, ECC support is built into every modern x86 CPU architecture. Intel simply blocks it.

AMD doesn't block ECC in consumer CPUs. However, they don't validate it and there is no certification.
So it's like this: you can use ECC RAM and your PC may even signal running it in ECC mode, but there is no guarantee that it actually works.
In other words: you have a safety feature that may or may not work... so it isn't really making you safer.

Car analogy: It's like an airbag that wasn't tested, so it might or might not work during a crash. Not really a safety feature, right?

 

[Dr_b_]

Anyone know if these CPU's using goop or solder for IHS?


Also 16 PCIe lanes only:

From ARK:
Expansion Options

• Scalability 1S Only
• PCI Express Revision 3.0
• PCI Express Configurations 1x16,2x8,1x8+2x4
• Max # of PCI Express Lanes 16