PC Hardware to Get Pricier Stateside as 25% Import Tariffs Take Effect Late-August

[Metroid]

Finally you USA people will understand what import tax means but fear not, in many countries that tax is 100% or more.

 

[Fx]

BAM. There it is.

 

[StrayKAT]

The latest news cracked me up.. a sob story about Element electronics being hit by the tariffs and closing down one of it's plants. And how this was some old fashioned American business everyone needed to weep for.

How I wish it was. All the stuff they make is Chinese. I feel for the local assembly people, but unfortunately, they're not what defines the company.

 

[TheGuruStud]

The term you're looking for is fascist/authoritarian state.
The US is already fascist and mostly authoritarian from both parties as they are the limbs of the elite. It's just selectively enforced, but it's only a matter of time. The laws are already in place to remove the so-called freedom.

 

[StrayKAT]

The term you're looking for is fascist/authoritarian state.
The US is already fascist and mostly authoritarian from both parties as they are the limbs of the elite. It's just selectively enforced, but it's only a matter of time. The laws are already in place to remove the so-called freedom.

That's a bit dramatic. If it were truly fascist, you couldn't even say that.

It also depends on the State.

 

[eidairaman1]

The term you're looking for is fascist/authoritarian state.
The US is already fascist and mostly authoritarian from both parties as they are the limbs of the elite. It's just selectively enforced, but it's only a matter of time. The laws are already in place to remove the so-called freedom.

Actually not, communism is what is written there.

Finally you USA people will understand what import tax means but fear not, in many countries that tax is 100% or more.

Import taxes were there in the 80s...

 

[the54thvoid]

I am so not getting involved in this shit show... but for the giggles.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...er-report-trump-bought-chinese-steel-aluminum

In other news, will this tariff affect i-phones (Foxconn) or is the assembly process for the boards. I don't think the tariff affects products with components made in China, just the finished articles?

 

[deu]

I'll take tariffs over a war with russia.

Dont know if you are joking but a world without both IS possible just not when the current president has the intellect of wet cardboard.

 

[E-curbi]

 

[TheGuruStud]

That's a bit dramatic. If it were truly fascist, you couldn't even say that.

It also depends on the State.

Go ahead and leak/report/threaten info on a powerful person and see how long you last. They're not just thrown in holes without daylight, but also executed (ask the DC Madam or Michael Hastings, oh wait, they're dead).

 

[StrayKAT]

Dont know if you are joking but a world without both IS possible just not when the current president has the intellect of wet cardboard.

I didn't vote for him, but anyone who jokes about his apparent mental deficiency is kind of burning themselves in the process. If he's such an idiot, how did he beat so many to get where he is? Wouldn't they be the bigger idiots?

Go ahead and leak/threaten info on a powerful person and see how long you last. They're not just thrown in holes without daylight, but also executed (ask the DC Madam, oh wait, she's dead).

I think that could be the case when you directly threaten their power like that (DC Madam). But that's a far cry from a systematic problem as fascism. It's just plain corruption.

 

[deu]

I am so not getting involved in this shit show... but for the giggles.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...er-report-trump-bought-chinese-steel-aluminum

In other news, will this tariff affect i-phones (Foxconn) or is the assembly process for the boards. I don't think the tariff affects products with components made in China, just the finished articles?

Since trump got elected shipping to the us have become really cumbersome//expensive for any country (at least from EU) since the us have high thoughts on how to threat the goods. My brother-in-law have had +3 month delays on containers to the us because they hate anything that has a "EU" on it.

 

[TheGuruStud]

I didn't vote for him, but anyone who jokes about his apparent mental deficiency is kind of burning themselves in the process. If he's such an idiot, how did he beat so many to get where he is? Wouldn't they be the bigger idiots?



I think that could be the case when you directly threaten their power like that (DC Madam). But that's a far cry from a systematic problem as fascism. It's just plain corruption.

Espionage Act's extreme use ring any bells? Smoke and mirrors. Everything about this country is pretend.

 

[StrayKAT]

Espionage Act's extreme use ring any bells? Smoke and mirrors. Everything about this country is pretend.

Smoke and mirrors? Those cases were of actual espionage. I didn't disapprove of all of them (Snowden), but no country in their right mind allows any of that.. fascist or not. Nothing about it is of any particular political system. And with the famous case of the Rosenbergs, that was at the height of a flood of actual Soviet spying. There are no smoke and mirrors about it. Just like the US sent spies to the USSR themselves.

 

[RyneSmith]

As opposed to voting in a corrupt war-hungry neo-con, the wife of the man that signed NAFTA, and a frankly unpleasant woman in poor health that blames everybody but herself for her problems after running on a platform of higher taxes and "everyone who doesnt like me is a horrible sub-human".

Not really a hard choice there.

There are US manufacturers left for things like NAND memory and RAM. PCB manufacturing is not the hardest thing to build or automate. If the prices of Chinese made stuff rises too high, PCB manufacturing will start back up in the US to feed demand. That is how an economy works. Europe, who is buddy buddy with Clinton, does this ALL THE TIME. MOST of the world has tariffs against other countries to protect manufacturing in their own country. It is how you compete with countries that pay slave wages to their employees. Given these countries already have tariffs or outright bans on american goods, it only makes sense to tariff them right back until either the manufacturing comes back to the US or the tariffs are dropped.

It's a far sight better then the bank bailouts that democrats thought would save the economy, and lead to 8 years of painfully slow recovery. Credit where credit is due, the economy is growing faster under trump then it ever did under obama.

Doesn't matter how much people hated Hillary, Trump's administration is not responsible for any of the current economic upturn. Economic swings/policies take on average 2 years to go into effect and actually show results in the economy.

Let me know where we are in 2 years.

Edit: Grammar.

Edit 2: Trump could be credited for some of the upturn in the stock market, but that's really it. Saying that, he has shown to easily influence it negatively as well by tweeting about a company... so grain of salt.

 

[StrayKAT]

Doesn't matter how much people hated Hillary, Trump's administration is not responsible for any of the current economic upturn. Economic swings/policies take on average 2 years to go into effect and actually show results in the economy.

Let me know where we are in 2 years.

Edit: Grammar.

I don't think it matters if it's 2 years later or not, people have lost their composure with that guy. In their minds, he's capable of nothing productive and a giant idiot.. plus "Russia!" I didn't even see people lose their minds over Bush and Cheney this much.. and they were tangibly disastrous both economically and militarily. That says a lot... that even they got a bigger slide.

 

[Vayra86]

View attachment 105057

Nice. Let's reflect a bit on my situation.

1. Healthcare: went from state controlled to privatized / in the hands of insurance companies, but with the state watching closely and preserving at least some semblance of the collective idea of insurance. Its worse now than it was when the state controlled it, and price of healthcare has risen alongside it. The pressure is on in this line of work too, in a way it wasn't before. Either way, the citizen is still guaranteed of healthcare, back then and today. So, check!

2. Poverty: even in my relatively and absolutely rich country, there is poverty, as in, people who earn too little to make ends meet. We do however have a complete and pretty good social welfare system and even on the bottom end of the ladder, you can/should be able to not starve and have a roof over your head (been there, done that...). But if you choose to avoid that system or try to commit fraud, yes, poverty happens. And even when not doing that, the risk is always there when bad decisions are made. Relation to the degree of control? Just about zero, quite the opposite in fact. Poor people remove themselves from society and from 'control' much rather than the opposite.

3. Debt: national debts have been pushed back well within the EU guidelines over here. Over the entire history of my country, there is no documented or noticeable relation between debt and the degree of control over people. Besides, citizens are free to leave the country as they choose.

4. Gun control: our lack of weapons among citizens provides us with one of the safest societies in the world. Check the numbers.

5. Welfare: Check!

6. Education: in fact the lack of education is what spawns conflict, warfare, and ultimately leads to people being manipulated - and manipulation is the ultimate form of control. It is precisely the lack of knowledge and inability to check sources for the information we find, that causes much of the turmoil of today. Go look at third world countries and their state of education for proof. And while you're at it, compare the degree of freedom those people really have...

7. Religion: again, there is no documented relation between lack of religion and control over people. In fact, the precise opposite is true: there are MANY instances of documented relation between religious movements and control over people. In fact its one of the very enemies the US wants to fight so badly, called 'terrorists'. Those are people driven by religious ideals. What about their freedom, in fact? Oh yeah - they're free to blow themselves up in name of a man in the sky. Gotta love the options there! And even in the US, there is a strong Christian/pro-life movement that actively fights abortion and effectively limits the freedom of people to do what they want on very important matters.

8. Class Warfare: a very real issue that all societies, regardless of absence or presence of the above seven points, have to deal with. Its a given that the rich get richer and the gap widens as time passes. Again, very well documented, but not directly related to control, but rather a result of the situation 'as is' - and as it has always been. I believe our best answer to that is to create a society of 'chances', and providing as equal as possible chance for everyone to aspire to something they feel benefits them the most. And isn't that one of the fundamental ideals of Americans?

So... really? I think what you linked is complete and utter BS that has no support whatsoever in any kind of research or historical fact. When one of those points is true, a number of others are evidently not. Its a theory so weak, the fact it says 'idiots' on top really says more about that piece than anything else.

But I get the 'gist' of what it tries to convey: its a theory older than the guy you read about though. The Romans knew this already: Bread and Games. Keep your citizens entertained, keep them fed and busy, and you have control. What the article fails to note however is that we ALL want a certain degree of control, because it prevents our neighbours from bashing our heads in. The US and its citizens are trying to preserve a failed idea of freedom that was never going to work in a globalized world. Its an idea of freedom that reminds of tribal culture, and we all know those days are long gone. Besides, its exactly that tribal culture we don't fancy a whole lot, because more than freedom, many of us like 'certainties' and 'comfort'. I don't know, but that just sounds like progress and a civilized world to me.

The disconnect here, is that some mistake socialism for communism. Communism is a radical theory, socialism is a very good one alongside other ideologies. As it is with many things in life, what we really need is balance.

 

[Readlight]

Then there will be less good persons who will be possible to work as much he consumes and higher prices whit the worst quality components like food now in supermarkets.

 

[StrayKAT]

The less I can get involved and think about government, the better. I don't care which spectrum politics are on... I'm always trying to maximize ways for it to be even less involved in my life. I don't get people who like it so much. Even when it's arguably good and provides more comfort, I still simply want to be left the hell alone. I don't understand anyone who actually LIKES the relationship... or even cheers for it.

This probably, of course, actually puts me on a political spectrum myself: That of the libertarian/anarchist. But I'd rather not be called that either.

My 2c.

 

[LFaWolf]

I am so not getting involved in this shit show... but for the giggles.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...er-report-trump-bought-chinese-steel-aluminum

In other news, will this tariff affect i-phones (Foxconn) or is the assembly process for the boards. I don't think the tariff affects products with components made in China, just the finished articles?

iPhones are supposedly or rumored to be exempt from tariff - https://www.fastcompany.com/4058684...d-apple-it-would-not-place-tariffs-on-iphones

 

[RyneSmith]

I don't think it matters if it's 2 years later or not, people have lost their composure with that guy. In their minds, he's capable of nothing productive and a giant idiot.. plus "Russia!" I didn't even see people lose their minds over Bush and Cheney this much.. and they were tangibly disastrous both economically and militarily. That says a lot... that even they got a bigger slide.

Unfortunately people are the reason why this happened is the sad thing. In the end, we will see what happens. Can't be undone at the present moment, and I'm not sure it will be in the future.

 

[StrayKAT]

iPhones are supposedly or rumored to be exempt from tariff - https://www.fastcompany.com/4058684...d-apple-it-would-not-place-tariffs-on-iphones

Apple is also building more facilities in the States. So it's a win-win for them, I guess.

 

[Vayra86]

The less I can get involved and think about government, the better. I don't care which spectrum politics are on... I'm always trying to maximize ways for it to be even less involved in my life. I don't get people who like it so much. Even when it's arguably good and provides more comfort, I still simply want to be left the hell alone. I don't understand anyone who actually LIKES the relationship... or even cheers for it.

This probably, of course, actually puts me on a political spectrum myself: That of the libertarian/anarchist. But I'd rather not be called that either.

My 2c.

That's the thing, everything is politics and politics is everything. Its a thread we can follow to convince ourselves what is a good idea and what is not. And then to pursue that idea. And we shape that like a system so people can actually represent those ideas. The problem is, no system is perfect.

Which is still more intellect than the last one had.....

People forget there are many kinds of intellect

 

[Bones]

Dont know if you are joking but a world without both IS possible just not when the current president has the intellect of wet cardboard.

Which is still more intellect than the last one had.....

 

[StrayKAT]

That's the thing, everything is politics and politics is everything. Its a thread we can follow to convince ourselves what is a good idea and what is not. And then to pursue that idea. And we shape that like a system so people can actually represent those ideas. The problem is, no system is perfect.

It's not everything to me. I hope it won't be for you eventually.

Of course, I'm a near hermit. What do I know?