PC Hardware to Get Pricier Stateside as 25% Import Tariffs Take Effect Late-August

[Vayra86]

It's not everything to me. I hope it won't be for you eventually.

Of course, I'm a near hermit. What do I know?

I know what you're saying, but if you really think about it, one could find ways to make politics over your specific lifestyle to 'threaten' it. And the effect of that would be a change - whatever that might be - in your stance on certain things. It would influence you. For example, increasing the price of things you really like the most; or banning it altogether. (boom - ontopic!)

 

[Dave65]

I'm sure this will bring all those jobs back to the USA....said nobody with any common sense.
I'm sorry but this is a political article and therefore I will answer with political views...

This is what happens when good people only partially pay attention to how shit actually works and then vote for the most obvious Con Artist in history.

VERY VERY well said

I'll take tariffs over a war with russia.

Had Obama done what Trump has done you right wingers would have busted a vessel to get him out of office..Comrade!

 

[StrayKAT]

VERY VERY well said



Had Obama done what Trump has done you right wingers would have busted a vessel to get him out of office..Comrade!

I think people put a lot of hope in Obama. I voted for him twice myself. Still a massive disappointment.

In any case, unemployment is pretty low. Not sure how it's related to manufacturing though.

And Japan just took back the 2nd spot in stock market value. China isn't doing as well as the media would like apparently.

 

[Vya Domus]

Like anyone with half a brain wants war with Russia....

Well , traditional wars are obsolete anyway. You still see a few skirmishes here and there but other than that wars are mostly a thing of the past , we are more sophisticated now. Not saying large scale conflicts are never going to happen but it will probably take a little more than a tax increase to wage a world war.

 

[mcraygsx]

I'll take tariffs over a war with russia.

That is not a realistic expectation. Here I was under the impression that you would have realized that this TUG of war state exists to keep fear of war alive. This benefits both nations mutually when it come to arms race and sale to rest of the world. This state of fear is also used a leverage when it comes to weapon research and development. Both USA and Russian are leading suppliers of WMD; excuse my language military weapons to countries around the world.

Neither one of these nations are not willing to give up $25+ billion worth of arms sale.

Back to the POST, this means less frequent hardware upgrades. Prices of RAM and GFX cards are already hiked up and I can only speculate how this will affect consumer hardware or my next GPU upgrade. This reminds of cryptocurrency scenario all over again.

 

[Bones]

Had Obama done what Trump has done you right wingers would have busted a vessel to get him out of office..Comrade!

As if the commicrats aren't losing it trying get him out now.....

And the cigar stuffer - He did it while in office - Literally.... Lied about it and is being called a hero for doing it yet the left has gone nuts over something that might have happened in someone's private life years ago well before they were even a candidate, much less in office period. At least if he did he had the decency to do it on his own dime and not to get it all under the desk or all over the Oval Office itself.
I mean those cigars weren't free and I can promise you he didn't buy them, we did.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.

With all the damage done in the previous years it's no wonder there's going to be alot of "Pain" to get things back to a decent state here concerning the economy.
True - Blame can be laid on BOTH sides, not just one or the other for it but this guy is the first that's produced any tangible results in recent memory.

Trade wars aren't something that was invented yesterday, they've been going on all through history itself, we're just experiencing the latest version of it and yes, things do get harder to find and buy as a result, that too being nothing new.

 

[StrayKAT]

Well , traditional wars are obsolete anyway. You still see a few skirmishes here and there but other than that wars are mostly a thing of the past , we are more sophisticated now. Not saying large scale conflicts are never going to happen but it will probably take a little more than a tax increase to wage a world war.

Those skirmishes aren't so small. Everything in the Middle East for the past decade (and more) are proxy wars between much larger powers. And Syria alone has suffered at least 500,000 deaths and a lot of refugees. It might not be world war death toll numbers, but those world wars were the exception rather than the rule. This is still tragic by any century of war's standards.

 

[R-T-B]

And the cigar stuffer - He did it while in office - Literally....

Yes, Clinton lied in office. Trump does that in office so much it's become an almost daily occurance. And you laugh that the "commicrats" (who in europe would be considered conservative, btw) are skeptical of him?

Well , traditional wars are obsolete anyway. You still see a few skirmishes here and there but other than that wars are mostly a thing of the past , we are more sophisticated now. Not saying large scale conflicts are never going to happen but it will probably take a little more than a tax increase to wage a world war.

The person I was quoting was literally saying hillary would've skipped the tatiffs but somehow caused a war with Russia. This is an absolutely ludicrous idea promoted only by die-hard Trump supporters.

 

[StrayKAT]

Yes, he lied in office. Trump does that in office so much it's become an almost daily occurance. And you laugh that the "commicrats" (who in europe would be considered conservative, btw) are skeptical of him?

All politicians lie. Clinton's fault was lying under oath. No one said anything about lying in "office".

I personally didn't care though. Special prosecutors are too relentless to be a good thing, no matter who is being investigated.

 

[R-T-B]

No one said anything about lying in "office".

The person I quoted did. I mean I'm assuming he's referencing the "clinton lying about his blowjob" scandal.

 

[StrayKAT]

The person I quoted did.

Oops. My bad. Just jumped in that line of conversation. I thought it just meant "office" in general/on the national news level. Because that wasn't what got Clinton in trouble. It'd be even more ridiculous than it already was, if that was the case.

 

[Bones]

Yes, Clinton lied in office. Trump does that in office so much it's become an almost daily occurance. And you laugh that the "commicrats" (who in europe would be considered conservative, btw) are skeptical of him?

You think Clinton didn't lie everyday in and out of the office?
C'mon.
They all do.

We could go on but no need and frankly it woudn't serve any use since it can be done by both sides all day long yet nothing changes.

Do know Politics and Prostitution are the two oldest, dirtiest professions in the world with the same basic thing going on.... It's just a matter of who's doing what to whom and who's getting paid over it that determines the difference between them.

 

[StrayKAT]

Destroy someone's home and them whine about refugee problem in Europe, all hypocrisy I say. Then make them slaves by lending them infinite amount of loan and arm deals.

“Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”

Mark

I think this thread is taking a wrong turn and is becoming too political.

Heh.. it pretty much became political right off the bat.

I would hope everyone would at least like to see China lose though. The leaders/politicians of various countries sold their citizens out to give China the strength it has now. All under some deluded geopolitical model that "manufacturing" is just an early stage in a nation's development, where it's "meant" to be shoved off eventually, and said nation "graduates" to just focusing on Service. This is a lie.

What's funny is this was a product of 80s thinking (Thatcher/Reagan especially)… it'd be incredibly ironic if the guy who spearheads the reversal is Mr. 80s himself: Donald Trump.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Worst. Time. Ever. For a computer to die. :C

Was wanting to put off new computer purchase until at least Q4 but because of this, it looks like my deadline moves up to August 23.

 

[R-T-B]

You think Clinton didn't lie everyday in and out of the office?
C'mon.
They all do.

Probably. But when you do it moronically daily on TWITTER you become a national liability far beyond Clinton-grade.

Say what you will about either Clinton, they both understood the value of shutting up.

I think this thread is taking a wrong turn and is becoming too political.

Inevitable from the moment this thread was penned by it's very nature IMO.

Do know Politics and Prostitution are the two oldest, dirtiest professions in the world with the same basic thing going on.... It's just a matter of who's doing what to whom and who's getting paid over it that determines the difference between them.

You know what? I agree with that. It just has absolutely no relevance to why Trump is outright bad for our image, and honestly, our nation. It's all because he doesn't know when to shut up.

 

[Dave65]

I think people put a lot of hope in Obama. I voted for him twice myself. Still a massive disappointment.

In any case, unemployment is pretty low. Not sure how it's related to manufacturing though.

And Japan just took back the 2nd spot in stock market value. China isn't doing as well as the media would like apparently.

Agreed, I voted for him twice and yes, disappointed.

 

[Minus Infinity]

USA gets a taste or real world prices. Rest of the world subsidies the USA anyway. I hate China as much as anyone, but Trump's moronic approach that hurts the US more than it hurts China is hilarious. "I'll teach China a lesson, when I destroy the US economy China won't be selling us any goods and then I will have fixed our trade imbalance. Told you I was a genius".

You couldn't make this crap up

 

[Bones]

Probably. But when you do it moronically daily on TWITTER you become a national liability far beyond Clinton-grade.

Say what you will about either Clinton, they both understood the value of shutting up.

Can't really disagree with this, I too would rather him take it down a notch.
But again he's not one to back down, at least he has that.

Inevitable from the moment this thread was penned by it's very nature IMO.

Again I have to agree, this was a political thread right from the start.

You know what? I agree with that. It just has absolutely no relevance to why Trump is outright bad for our image, and honestly, our nation. It's all because he doesn't know when to shut up.

Honestly I'd rather have someone that at least backs up what they say than someone that flip-flops.
That does create a bad image, one of weakness in a world where everyone else is out to get what they can - Even YOU if possible.
It's just human nature to do so as history has proven time and time again.

USA gets a taste or real world prices. Rest of the world subsidies the USA anyway. I hate China as much as anyone, but Trump's moronic approach that hurts the US more than it hurts China is hilarious. "I'll teach China a lesson, when I destroy the US economy China won't be selling us any goods and then I will have fixed our trade imbalance. Told you I was a genius".

You couldn't make this crap up

The deal Carter signed with China was the catalyst that started this mess, the US was doing well enough before we became entangled with China trade-wise - At least Trump is trying to fix it so maybe it won't be so bad later but it's bad enough now there is going to be alot of pain and the longer you wait, the more it's gonna hurt.

Annnnnd..... I'm done with this thread.

 

[SaltyFish]

T H I C C puerto rican overclockability

Holy crap, I had to do a double take there! I thought I had wandered into Reddit or 4chan; I don't think I've ever seen "T H I C C" used on TPU.

As for the article, I think if sales in the US are high enough, hardware manufacturing could theoretically be increased in the other existing manufacturing countries (which does not include the US). The factories in China should be safe due to the demand from the rest of the world. But I'm pretty sure US PC hardware sales numbers are nowhere near high enough justify such a thing (not to mention the startup costs and delay). Other than that, this is just an obvious and expected outcome of the US-China trade war. Sucks to those affected, but it shouldn't be a major shock since it's not something that came out of nowhere.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I wouldn't be so sure other parts of the world are safe. Intel especially has a lot of intermediary steps in chip production that can get hit by the tariffs so to get a chip anywhere might have those tariffs baked in at least once, if not several times over.


Short term, the tariffs just suck. Long term, that's when things start changing. The hope is that China-US solve their trade war in the short term so the long term consequences don't start going into effect.

 

[Midland Dog]

suck a doodle america, now yous know how it feels to buy computer hardware in the land down under

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Like I said, your hardware may be impacted too. Computers aren't made start to finish in one country. Components travel all over Asia, Europe, and North America before final assembly (usually China) then travel again to wholesalers.

That doesn't even take into consideration a massive reduction in overall sales. Businesses/governments will put off purchases until they have no choice. We could see new PC sales plummet and a surge in the used market. Computer hardware businesses could be driven under from the sudden shift.

The entire tech industry grew up in an era where it was virtually free of tariffs and trade restrictions which is why the industry is global. This pressure, if it remains for more than a year, is going to require businesses to rethink the global market. Instead of a few large fabs, the future may be full of lots of micro fabs, for example.

 

[John Naylor]

I'm sure this will bring all those jobs back to the USA....said nobody with any common sense.
I'm sorry but this is a political article and therefore I will answer with political views...

This is what happens when good people only partially pay attention to how shit actually works and then vote for the most obvious Con Artist in history.

Since the tariffs went into effect, the trade imbalance with China has increased 13% and the national debt along with it. The debt is now up 10% since Jan 01 2017. Trade wise, things haven't been this bad since GW Bush.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I'm sure this will bring all those jobs back to the USA....said nobody with any common sense.
I'm sorry but this is a political article and therefore I will answer with political views...

This is what happens when good people only partially pay attention to how shit actually works and then vote for the most obvious Con Artist in history.

Actually, this is what happens when a country stops letting another country shove a broom up their backside. Too long U.S. leaders have given in to China until the trade imbalance was unsustainable.

Thing is, the Chinese will buckle first. They need to eat.

 

[INSTG8R]

Actually, this is what happens when a country stops letting another country shove a broom up their backside. Too long U.S. leaders have given in to China until the trade imbalance was unsustainable.

Thing is, the Chinese will buckle first. They need to eat.

You hope they do. The rest of the world will happily accept their goods and prices regardless of the US stance. China doesn’t “need” America. I don’t see a huge clamouring for American made goods either.