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So both are limited markets. Thanks for confirming my point.![]()
Steam clearly says SHS is opt-in and Steam has never given numbers on what that % is derived of. MF.de you have actual sales figures.
So both are limited markets. Thanks for confirming my point.![]()
System Name | Pioneer |
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Processor | Ryzen R9 7950X |
Motherboard | GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans... |
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Video Card(s) | XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310 |
Storage | Intel 905p Optane 960GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs |
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Case | Thermaltake Core X31 |
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Mouse | Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless |
Keyboard | WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps |
Software | Gentoo Linux x64 / Windows 11 Enterprise IoT 2024 |
MF.de you have actual sales figures.
Of themselves, presumably.
And only themselves.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
I think we all agree it is sales figures and there's no doubt about it. Anyway, the MindFactory is only one reseller. There's hundreds of them and more of them are focused on the server markets while MF is general reseller. Intel still beats AMD with server side of things. Not because the frequency or value but mostly for the features and reliability. We know that Intel's CPU doesn't bring much in terms of IPC comparing to previous generations. The IPC is good from the start and AMD needs to catch up and they do it very well. Companies, such us the one I work for, are willing to buy Intel cause it's been in the market for a long time, they have a good product and yes extremely expensive but it's been there a long time. It works and companies would rather spend this kind of cash for it. AMD TR offering is outstanding and at some point all the companies will be switching if they keep up what they are doing.Yes, Equating the 2 is silly tho.
SHS if a undefined % that is unknown (unpublished). That unknown % can be anything.
MF.de is sales figures. From the source they been dumping those figures for awhile.
You wont get a complete picture if they are only reporting their own sales figures. Not like BestBuy will report Microcentre sales figures. Your getting a snap shot into their CPU sales figure is all.
System Name | Starlifter :: Dragonfly |
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Processor | i7 2600k 4.4GHz :: i5 10400 |
Motherboard | ASUS P8P67 Pro :: ASUS Prime H570-Plus |
Cooling | Cryorig M9 :: Stock |
Memory | 4x4GB DDR3 2133 :: 2x8GB DDR4 2400 |
Video Card(s) | PNY GTX1070 :: Integrated UHD 630 |
Storage | Crucial MX500 1TB, 2x1TB Seagate RAID 0 :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, 3x4TB Seagate HDD RAID5 |
Display(s) | Onn 165hz 1080p :: Acer 1080p |
Case | Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - Bose Companion 2 Series III :: None |
Power Supply | FSP Hydro GE 550w :: EVGA Supernova 550 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly |
Benchmark Scores | >9000 |
Just how was Intel ripping you off? They were selling a particular product at an acceptable price. It's like they lost revenue in that period or civilization stopped developing because we couldn't afford CPUs.A lot of people still rooting against AMD, they forgot that before ZEN intel was ripping us off with 4-core CPUs... ok, they still rip us off, but now with have 6-cores.
Why do you hope (as a consumer) that AMD passes Intel? I mean: how would you benefit *as a consumer*?AMD Pushing Intel with More cores and better performance is good for everyone (except intel), i Really hope (as a consumer) that Someday AMD passes intel and they have to lower their prices, Same thing with GPU's but that is really Unlikely (and sad for us, the consumers).
This ignores the basic premise of the thread which is - AMD is beating Intel in DIY market in terms of volumes & perhaps $ in many places around the world. The point about enterprise, servers, gamers is kinda irrelevant. Of course people will see whatever they want to see, bringing in SHS for instance & trying to invalidate a crystal clear trendI think we all agree it is sales figures and there's no doubt about it. Anyway, the MindFactory is only one reseller. There's hundreds of them and more of them are focused on the server markets while MF is general reseller. Intel still beats AMD with server side of things. Not because the frequency or value but mostly for the features and reliability. We know that Intel's CPU doesn't bring much in terms of IPC comparing to previous generations. The IPC is good from the start and AMD needs to catch up and they do it very well. Companies, such us the one I work for, are willing to buy Intel cause it's been in the market for a long time, they have a good product and yes extremely expensive but it's been there a long time. It works and companies would rather spend this kind of cash for it. AMD TR offering is outstanding and at some point all the companies will be switching if they keep up what they are doing.
It's not flawed. People simply can't read it properly. You have a very precise information: what GPUs are used by Steam users. GPUs are not unique. It's not market share.Because the statistics collection method is flawed.
That being said, you get flaws nearly everywhere in any digitally administered survey. The question is how bad...
System Name | Starlifter :: Dragonfly |
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Processor | i7 2600k 4.4GHz :: i5 10400 |
Motherboard | ASUS P8P67 Pro :: ASUS Prime H570-Plus |
Cooling | Cryorig M9 :: Stock |
Memory | 4x4GB DDR3 2133 :: 2x8GB DDR4 2400 |
Video Card(s) | PNY GTX1070 :: Integrated UHD 630 |
Storage | Crucial MX500 1TB, 2x1TB Seagate RAID 0 :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, 3x4TB Seagate HDD RAID5 |
Display(s) | Onn 165hz 1080p :: Acer 1080p |
Case | Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - Bose Companion 2 Series III :: None |
Power Supply | FSP Hydro GE 550w :: EVGA Supernova 550 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly |
Benchmark Scores | >9000 |
It's really obvious what's going on here.
System Name | M3401 notebook |
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Processor | 5600H |
Motherboard | NA |
Memory | 16GB |
Video Card(s) | 3050 |
Storage | 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | 14" OLED screen of the laptop |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | 3050 scores good 15-20% lower than average, despite ASUS's claims that it has uber cooling. |
Do you work at Intel or something?particular product at an acceptable price
I see you own an Intel CPU. Why?Do you work at Intel or something?
It's not flawed. People simply can't read it properly. You have a very precise information: what GPUs are used by Steam users. GPUs are not unique. It's not market share.
Why would you need the sample size? You suspect it's too small?How is it precise if Steam doesn't divulge the number of users that take part in the SHS? Steam doesn't say what the sample size is for SHS.
Why would you need the sample size? You suspect it's too small?
Figures are quite stable, so at least that doesn't suggest any problem.
Dispersion (error) would be nice (statistically), but Steam Survey isn't meant to be scientific. It's a tidbit.
System Name | M3401 notebook |
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Processor | 5600H |
Motherboard | NA |
Memory | 16GB |
Video Card(s) | 3050 |
Storage | 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | 14" OLED screen of the laptop |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | 3050 scores good 15-20% lower than average, despite ASUS's claims that it has uber cooling. |
Buldozer was very bad.I see you own an Intel CPU. Why?
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
This ignores the basic premise of the thread which is - AMD is beating Intel in DIY market in terms of volumes & perhaps $ in many places around the world. The point about enterprise, servers, gamers is kinda irrelevant. Of course people will see whatever they want to see, bringing in SHS for instance & trying to invalidate a crystal clear trend
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-cpu-diy-market-share,39017.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-sales-ryzen-cpu-intel,38901.html
Intel cuts off DiY desktop processor supply chain
When was the last time you saw this on Amazon? Now please continue telling us how SHS is more relevant than actual, hard sales numbers! Not pointed at one individual but everyone who can't see the trend. The only exception could be Asia where AMD doesn't have as strong a channel presence as Europe or NA.
I get that & pointed the same in the last few pages, DIY market barely makes up 10% of the sales from OEM & likely even lesser if you count the direct sales to the big companies. This news piece deals with retail & DIY, Intel constricted & severely restricted their supply to fulfill short & long term OEM obligations in Q4 -> therefore AMD's exposure in this sector is booming as a result of Zen & Intel. You couldn't even buy the value king G4560 at a normal price in the last few months, possibly even now & their lower margin i3, i5 chips are also overpriced atm. So the Mindfactory numbers, along with Amazon & EU numbers are indicative of a larger trend.Yeah Amazon. That's really great but I don't think you get what I wanted to say. I bet companies like Kontron, HP, Dell and more don't order from Amazon or MindFactory or eBay etc. but straight from the producer and build their own product using certain components. You are talking about reseller or online shopping for users and small firms which shows great figures for AMD and that's great. I cheer for AMD. I think you've missed my point. I don't think it's irrelevant since these products count as well. AMD's catching up and Amazon is some sort of information about the goods flow. People tent to choose AMD vs Intel but this doesn't mean the industry, big companies are doing the same.
What do you mean by "assume the number"?Why assume the number if they themselves aren't willing to divulge it. Isn't that making stuff up?
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
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Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
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Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
No.You should say that its german because they wont ship to other european countries.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
there's people who buy from intel but don't work for intel.Do you work at Intel or something?
If you've looked at Amazon Best Sellers more often, you'd know how unstable it is.When was the last time you saw this on Amazon? Now please continue telling us how SHS is more relevant than actual, hard sales numbers! Not pointed at one individual but everyone who can't see the trend. The only exception could be Asia where AMD doesn't have as strong a channel presence as Europe or NA.
You mean desktops for enterprises? They already had. Lenovo, HP and Dell had some business desktops with Ryzen in the lineup. If you search long enough, you'll still find something:When will OEM propose AMD Ryzen workstation?!