AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

[HTC]

I had to google it, but it depends on the mobo, some do have support for 3xxx CPUs https://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/x370 taichi/index.asp#CPU

You missed the point: there are those running Ryzen 3900X CPUs even with B350 / X370 boards, even though that slide says they don't support it.

As such, just because the slide says Ryzen 4000 series CPUs won't work in X370 / X470 boards doesn't necessarily mean they won't actually work.

 

[oxidized]

From what I've managed to dig out, it seems like there won't be any 4000-series CPU support on older boards, as AMD doesn't allow the board makers to enable it. This is still preliminary information, but it's what AMD has informed the board makers, so far. Not sure if this applies to APUs as well.


That was linked to the wrong post initially, see the corrected one above.

I seriously hope you're wrong because that would be pretty bad for consumers and for AMD image. I saw that post too, but again AM4 compatibility means nothing if even 1 out of 4 series of CPU required you to swap motherboard, and it's not like writing "subject to modifications" is going to save you somehow, you're only partially covering your ass legally from class actions and such, but not from false advertisement even if you state that it could get modified at some point

They are supporting the socket, AM4 is a socket nothing more never was.

You advised people wrong, send them my way next time I'm not deluded, I read information better.

AGAIN SOCKET COMPATIBILITY IS USELESS IF I NEED TO SWAP MY MOTHERBOARD ANYWAY

No i advised people correctly, because i AMD said "upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard" and that's exactly my point, NOT needing to swap motherboards.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

Big news for me.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I seriously hope you're wrong because that would be pretty bad for consumers and for AMD image. I saw that post too, but again AM4 compatibility means nothing if even 1 out of 4 series of CPU required you to swap motherboard, and it's not like writing "subject to modifications" is going to save you somehow, you're only partially covering your ass legally from class actions and such, but not from false advertisement even if you state that it could get modified at some point

Well, this is what I got from two people that I know. whom both work at motherboard makers. Take it for what it is at this point, early information, but it seems like AMD has decided to make a break here, as per their blog post.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I seriously hope you're wrong because that would be pretty bad for consumers and for AMD image. I saw that post too, but again AM4 compatibility means nothing if even 1 out of 4 series of CPU required you to swap motherboard, and it's not like writing "subject to modifications" is going to save you somehow, you're only partially covering your ass legally from class actions and such, but not from false advertisement even if you state that it could get modified at some point


AGAIN SOCKET COMPATIBILITY IS USELESS IF I NEED TO SWAP MY MOTHERBOARD ANYWAY

No i advised people correctly, because i AMD said "upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard" and that's exactly my point, NOT needing to swap motherboards.

Then you based your advice on shit information.

If you're advising people to put Ryzen 4000 in anything below x570 they don't get all the features they paid for.

Making your advice shit regardless of anything else.

No one today is making a motherboard that will actually see three generations of CPU.

I see your point, it was always delusional, anyone working on and with PC these last 30 year's could have told you bios updates dry up after a year on most motherboards.

They could have also pointed to history where the same fucking socket has been used for years without inter chip support.

So this new paradigm you thought was happening, never was.

It was an interpretation error by you.

Deal with it.

 

[ARF]

Big news for me.

Pretty shocking and scandalous.
Might make people so frustrated, that the Intel sales explode.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Pretty shocking and scandalous.
Might make people so frustrated, that the Intel sales explode.

Probably not those customers won't be blind to the price.

 

[bug]

I do not mind if both AMD and Intel releases a new motherboard with every genaration of cpu released as long as the new cpu's are backwards compatible with the older in the same architecture family of motherboards.If they change the architecture of a cpu yeah i agree on new socket and compatibility changes. Both Intel and AMD are doing it. Intel for this tenth gen should not have done it as well or at least release it but let it be compatible with z390 and etc. In short, they so it and getaway with it.none of them are your friends,there is no need for brand royalty unless you are on their share holders.

And that's a reasonable expectation on the surface.
But when you really think about it, even adding a couple more cores, without changing the architecture, means different current requirements. You can artificially limit your new CPU a little so that it fits the existing socket/VRMs, but if you have to limit more than "a little", you're better off redesigning the motherboard.

 

[oxidized]

Well, this is what I got from two people that I know. whom both work at motherboard makers. Take it for what it is at this point, early information, but it seems like AMD has decided to make a break here, as per their blog post.

Well that's pretty bad, but whatever, they decided to strong-arm their partners with the worst thing they could.

Then you based your advice on shit information.

If you're advising people to put Ryzen 4000 in anything below x570 they don't get all the features they paid for.

Making your advice shit regardless of anything else.

No one today is making a motherboard that will actually see three generations of CPU.

I see your point, it was always delusional, anyone working on and with PC these last 30 year's could have told you bios updates dry up after a year on most motherboards.

They could have also pointed to history where the same fucking socket has been used for years without inter chip support.

So this new paradigm you thought was happening, never was.

It was an interpretation error by you.

Deal with it.

Information given by AMD itself, features such as? pcie 4? Useless for pretty much everyone as of now, and surely useless for those people i'm talking about.

So my information is shit but your
"No one today is making a motherboard that will actually see three generations of CPUs"
or
"I see your point, it was always delusional, anyone working on and with PC these last 30 year's could have told you bios updates dry up after a year on most motherboards."
or
"They could have also pointed to history where the same fucking socket has been used for years without inter chip support."

Is somehow good information and based on something solid, well then i guess i had it all wrong from the beginning

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well that's pretty bad, but whatever, they decided to strong-arm their partners with the worst thing they could.



Information given by AMD itself, features such as? pcie 4? Useless for pretty much everyone as of now, and surely useless for those people i'm talking about.

So my information is shit but your
"No one today is making a motherboard that will actually see three generations of CPUs"
or
"I see your point, it was always delusional, anyone working on and with PC these last 30 year's could have told you bios updates dry up after a year on most motherboards."
or
"They could have also pointed to history where the same fucking socket has been used for years without inter chip support."

Is somehow good information and based on something solid, well then i guess i had it all wrong from the beginning

Yes it's based on the reality the last 30 year's passed us not 10 letters on one slide with subject to change at the bottom like yours.

Incidentally every tech pr disclosure carries those same statements.

Subject to change.

It's not My fault your just fresh out the womb.

Love how you marginalised pciex4 to something no one needs yet everyone needs an upgrade path to something most keep for five years.

If I buy for five years I don't get something already out and two years old.

Oh and read the f up am5, socket 1700 ,pciex5 and ddr5.

Mean no one is getting three generations out of a board they buy now, simples.

Told ya it's about interpretation.

 

[Countryside]

Please interpret this if i buy an B550 motherboard what do i do with my 2600x

 

[oxidized]

Yes it's based on the reality the last 30 year's passed us not 10 letters on one slide with subject to change at the bottom like yours.

Incidentally every tech pr disclosure carries those same statements.

Subject to change.

It's not My fault your just fresh out the womb.

Love how you marginalised pciex4 to something no one needs yet everyone needs an upgrade path to something most keep for five years.

If I buy for five years I don't get something already out and two years old.

Oh and read the f up am5, socket 1700 ,pciex5 and ddr5.

Mean no one is getting three generations out of a board they buy now, simples.

Told ya it's about interpretation.

I might not be as experienced as you are, but i have my 15 years of experience, and what you're saying doesn't stand, because doesn't matter how it was before, what matters is what companies say, pcie 4 is kinda useless now yes because you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an nvme ssd running on pcie3 and one running on pcie4 as of now, since speeds are not that different on ssds at the moment, besides past a certain point i challenge you to see the difference anyway. There's no interpretation here, there's being backstabbed and not being backstabbed.

 

[deksman2]

To be fair, Intel has been forcing users to upgrade their motherboards with practically every new CPU generation.

AMD on the other hand provided MUCH greater flexibility and upgrade paths - which is how it should be in the first place.
So, for the most part, users with B350/X370 mobos can still mostly upgrade to Zen 2... which is quite great.

That said, in the past, new CPU support was always up to the OEM's (mobo manufacturers)... that is to say, AMD would release the microcode update, but it was up to OEM's whether or not to implement it for their BIOS - so it was never a guarantee.

This time for some reason, its AMD itself that won't include support for Zen 3 on older motherboards... which quite honestly doesn't make much sense because Zen 3 is the last iteration supported by AM4.
Seems very odd to force users to upgrade to a X550/X570 mobo just for AM4 'end of life' - of course, there would be users who would buy the newest mobos even if older ones included BIOS updates for Zen 3, but it just seems very anti-AMD to do something like this.

Mind you, AMD is just a corporation that wants to make money, so from that point of view it DOES make sense, but they also repeatedly said that users won't have to bother with mobo replacements.

As I explained before, the ROM chip bios sizes 'excuse' doesn't really fly for AMD seeing how at least several X570 mobos come with also 16MB of ROM chip (and AMD said that ALL X570 and B550 will be supported).
That means that 16MB ROM chips (which most of the B350/X370 and B450/X470 come with) is not a barrier for Zen 3.
If there are limitations to how big the microcode is, then have mobo OEM's downgrade the UEFI graphics to something less space demanding like they did just before Zen 2 was released, and possibly remove Zen 1 microcode from the new bios (or just remove a few of them).

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I might not be as experienced as you are, but i have my 15 years of experience, and what you're saying doesn't stand, because doesn't matter how it was before, what matters is what companies say, pcie 4 is kinda useless now yes because you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an nvme ssd running on pcie3 and one running on pcie4 as of now, since speeds are not that different on ssds at the moment, besides past a certain point i challenge you to see the difference anyway. There's no interpretation here, there's being backstabbed and not being backstabbed.

Does it not, give an example of a platform that mapped out it's support going forward.

Forget four years just show me any pc platform wherein on release they told you what and when you could upgrade and to what.

In the last 15 year's

Then try and find one with no subject to change notification.

That should keep you busy for the next 15 year's.

Backstabbing haha , your being dramatic.

It does matter what went before, it lead to this.
Technology evolves it rarely explodes into being.

Your picking and choosing what matters now you a guy with no coin in the debate believe that you know better than AMD.

Could AMD have been clearer, yes their pr team is a bit shit, like their marketing team.

Did they misslead, only if you glazed over the details and got consumed by your own wishes.

10 letters on a slide was enough for you to make up your mind, others will be similar, it will cause uppsett that I understand and agree with.

But regardless of how butt hurt I ,you and others feel ,We then were all mistaken not lied too or backstabbed just mistaken.

 

[oxidized]

Does it not, give an example of a platform that mapped out it's support going forward.

Forget four years just show me any pc platform wherein on release they told you what and when you could upgrade and to what.

In the last 15 year's

Then try and find one with no subject to change notification.

That should keep you busy for the next 15 year's.

Backstabbing haha , your being dramatic.

It does matter what went before, it lead to this.
Technology evolves it rarely explodes into being.

Your picking and choosing what matters now you a guy with no coin in the debate believe that you know better than AMD.

Could AMD have been clearer, yes their pr team is a bit shit, like their marketing team.

Did they misslead, only if you glazed over the details and got consumed by your own wishes.

10 letters on a slide was enough for you to make up your mind, others will be similar, it will cause uppsett that I understand and agree with.

But regardless of how butt hurt I ,you and others feel ,We then were all mistaken not lied too or backstabbed just mistaken.

I don't care if nobody has done it before, they say they do it, i expect them to do it, end of story, it's as simple as that.

Mistaken because they mislead anyone with that touting, they could've been much clearer on the matter or just shut their mouth on AM4 compatibility. So yeah, still backstabbed

 

[Sunny and 75]

Watch out, for the devil is in the detail. "Subject to future roadmap modifications". So they kept their promise, sort of!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I don't care if nobody has done it before, they say they do it, i expect them to do it, end of story, it's as simple as that.

Mistaken because they mislead anyone with that touting, they could've been much clearer on the matter or just shut their mouth on AM4 compatibility. So yeah, still backstabbed

So your beyond reason.

Beyond finding proof to back your claims.

And beyond any convincing otherwise.

All while owning an Intel platform.

And suggesting this has affected you somehow.


You have no chance of convincing me your right to be butt hurt.


So based on that , crack on, goodbye, and if you keep pulling me out for quotes you will be on ignore before this day is done.

 

[oxidized]

So your beyond reason.

Beyond finding proof to back your claims.

And beyond any convincing otherwise.

All while owning an Intel platform.

And suggesting this has affected you somehow.


You have no chance of convincing me your right to be butt hurt.


So based on that , crack on, goodbye, and if you keep pulling me out for quotes you will be on ignore before this day is done.

What more proof do you need besides AM4 support until 2020 (2021) and "upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard", i don't want to convince you of anything really, i just enjoy pissing off fanboys at the point they either stop posting or worse block me, because that's anything any fanboy deserve. So please do block me i'll return the favor

 

[HD64G]

huh? MSI Z490 mobo I just pre-ordered is $169.99 and the CPU will be around $400-500 which various version I get, hoping the non-integrated graphics variant is a touch cheaper.



that's shady as crap wording. lol intel and amd are the same, there is no point in brand loyalty its capitalism. neither of these companies care about you. so im picking the best performance for only 5% more money. later homies.

Since you have gone ultra provocative, let's see which vendors will dare not update their X470/B450 boards with Zen3 updated UEFIs (I predict none will refuse to do so) and talk again then. For now, have fun with your insecure nuclear reactor in the summer heat.

 

[bug]

What more proof do you need besides AM4 support until 2020 (2021) and "upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard", i don't want to convince you of anything really, i just enjoy pissing off fanboys at the point they either stop posting or worse block me, because that's anything any fanboy deserve. So please do block me i'll return the favor

TBH AM4 is still with us into 2021. And AMD being unable to predict their every SKU 2-3 years ago was mostly expected. When they said they will keep forward compatibility, I understood that as a best effort. But in the absence of further clarification, I was sure some will take that as gospel (and that was the intended effect, otherwise AMD would have nuanced their statements then and there).

The real kicker for me is people clinging on minute differences to paint Intel as evil and AMD as a savior. Well, newsflash, they're both in the business of selling you products. That's what they'll do. When you're the underdog, of course you're all honey, open and stuff. And when you're top dog, you'll take some liberties. Case in point: AMD crushed Intel in HEDT. Did they make HEDT chips $200 and available to everyone? No, they priced Threadrippers well above what Intel ever charged for their HEDT chips. AMD gained some momentum on the desktop, they hit you with the pricey X570 and are now starting to limit support for some chips.

Is AMD evil for doing that? Hell, no. But if you don't wake up and smell the roses, you will keep being surprised by decisions like this one.

Take a step back and look at the big picture: you can buy a lot more CPU HP for $1 than you ever could, whether you are forced to upgrade the motherboard or not.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

What more proof do you need besides AM4 support until 2020 (2021) and "upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard", i don't want to convince you of anything really, i just enjoy pissing off fanboys at the point they either stop posting or worse block me, because that's anything any fanboy deserve. So please do block me i'll return the favor

Which is exactly why I am arguing with you, your a troll and don't know it.

Miss information from the likes of you gets taken by others as truth, it isn't.

 

[ARF]

Is AMD evil for doing that?

Evil is when you throw competition out of the market, like Intel and Nvidia did with the MOAP and Nvidia GeForce Partner Program.
Evil is when you intentionally mislead the market and confuse the consumers that your products are better when they have always been inferior.

It's like black magic and it's been working for decades, and no one has woken up yet.

What AMD does is just shooting itself in the feet

 

[oxidized]

Which is exactly why I am arguing with you, your a troll and don't know it.

Miss information from the likes of you gets taken by others as truth, it isn't.

I'm no troll and mine is no misinformation.

 

[JMccovery]

AsRock x470:
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- 16 Power Phase design
- Capable of providing extra 300W for CPU
- Supports ASRock Hyper BCLK Engine II
- 256Mb AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support


AsRock x570:
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- 14 Power Phase design
- Capable of providing extra 300W for CPU
- Supports ASRock Hyper BCLK Engine II
- 256Mb AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support


Both have the same size BIOS and the x470 has a higher power phase design.
Something ain't right lol. This looks like to me that AMD wants to push their PCI-e 4.0 on the 500 series boards and now make up some BS that Zen3 won't support 400 or even 300 series.
Heres to hoping by the time Zen3 comes out the mobo vendors will have their own BIOS that will support Zen3 on 400 or maybe even 300 series mobo's.

You'd have a point if ASRock X570 boards had the exact same CPU support like their X470 ones.

More than likely the collective AGESA firmware for Ryzen 3000 and 4000 CPUs with full board features doesn't leave enough room for Ryzen 1000 and 2000 support.

As for power phases, you can have fewer, but more efficient phases.

 

[ERazer]

Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.

cmon now dont side track, its all about fps why not get 3080ti or new titan?