AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

oxrufiioxo · May 9, 2020

Yeah, I don't get all the outrage either.... The i5 is finally going to be good again in 2020 but still cost nearly $300. Ryzen 3000 is still more than most people need especially the 3900X/3950X and if you want Ryzen 4000 pair it with a $130-150 B550 board with a decent vrm and be done with it.

I feel bad for those who assumed support for older chipsets but everyone should know that 3 years out that is going to be subject to change.

I personally wish we were getting X670 boards also with similar to Z490 vrms and no chipset fan.... Maybe at the very least we will see Refreshed X570 boards.

medi01 · May 9, 2020

Durvelle27 said:
I don't see anything wrong with upgrading boards

Nor do I.

I do see what is wrong with deceiving customers, however.

1) AMD did nothing when partners advertised B450 mainboards as Zen 3 compatible
https://www.msi.com//blog/msis-max-motherboard-lineup
"You want a value-oriented motherboard that’ll support not only the latest AMD releases but will also have you covered for all future AM4 product releases."

2) AMD's promise:
https://community.amd.com/community...4-platform-longevity-getting-ryzen-3000-ready
With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020.

Durvelle27 · May 9, 2020

medi01 said:
Nor do I.

I do see what is wrong with deceiving customers, however.

1) AMD did nothing when partners advertised B450 mainboards as Zen 3 compatible
https://www.msi.com//blog/msis-max-motherboard-lineup
"You want a value-oriented motherboard that’ll support not only the latest AMD releases but will also have you covered for all future AM4 product releases."
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2) AMD's promise:
https://community.amd.com/community...4-platform-longevity-getting-ryzen-3000-ready
With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020.

2.) It clearly states socket AM4 support through 2020. 5 series board is indeed AM4. No where does it say chipset support through 2020

bug · May 9, 2020

medi01 said:
Nor do I.

I do see what is wrong with deceiving customers, however.

1) AMD did nothing when partners advertised B450 mainboards as Zen 3 compatible
https://www.msi.com//blog/msis-max-motherboard-lineup
"You want a value-oriented motherboard that’ll support not only the latest AMD releases but will also have you covered for all future AM4 product releases."
View attachment 154533

2) AMD's promise:
https://community.amd.com/community...4-platform-longevity-getting-ryzen-3000-ready
With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020.

I can see the problem with your first point.
Your second point though, only says AM4 and AM4 will work with Zen3.

It would seem AMD played a fine gaming of being vague as much as possible (as I posted before, probably because they couldn't actually predict the future), leaving partners to take it one step further. Not cool, but since I have this policy of buying what's delivered on purchase day and not promises about the future, I'm not taking much issue with this.

INFERNUS · May 9, 2020

TBH, now that AMD is pretty much back on top (for now) they should have done everything in their power to keep the loyal fan base, which means keeping support for all AM4 sockets. I know a lot are now probably going to either switch sides maybe when AMD and Intel show what they have, be it Zen3 or whatever Intel has at that time. Me I don't care

As what I stated in my previous post, I like Intel & AMD.

Makaveli · May 9, 2020

medi01 said:
Nor do I.

I do see what is wrong with deceiving customers, however.

1) AMD did nothing when partners advertised B450 mainboards as Zen 3 compatible
https://www.msi.com//blog/msis-max-motherboard-lineup
"You want a value-oriented motherboard that’ll support not only the latest AMD releases but will also have you covered for all future AM4 product releases."
View attachment 154533

2) AMD's promise:
https://community.amd.com/community...4-platform-longevity-getting-ryzen-3000-ready
With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020.

You are on an Intel build how is this even relevant to you?

Gmr_Chick · May 10, 2020

Damn, y'all are STILL up in arms over this? AMD has only ever said that the AM4 SOCKET will be around through 2020. What's the problem?

windwhirl · May 10, 2020

Gmr_Chick said:
Damn, y'all are STILL up in arms over this? AMD has only ever said that the AM4 SOCKET will be around through 2020. What's the problem?

Don't restart this dumpster fire of a debate, please :laugh:

Melvis · May 10, 2020

Im just not a fan of spending $800 on motherboards (X470+X570 of the same model) to get support for a CPU only a yr+ later, when there is no excuse not to be supported on the exact same socket.

This also applies to all my clients and the majority of AM4 users who all are running on B450 or abouts motherboards, AMD 4000 is basically now DOA for me and the majority of AMD/AM4 owners and my clients, its going to probably sell poorly because of the lack of support honestly, only new system builders will get these new CPU's, most AM4 owners from the past 2.5yrs wont spend the money just to get support for a CPU that is only going to be around for 1yr on a socket thats dead in the same time frame, its just simply not worth it.

If B550 came out last yr and at an affordable price it might be a bit different but its just to late to the market sadly, and X570 boards here in AUS are bloody expensive!

Makaveli · May 10, 2020

Melvis said:
Im just not a fan of spending $800 on motherboards (X470+X570 of the same model) to get support for a CPU only a yr+ later, when there is no excuse not to be supported on the exact same socket.

This also applies to all my clients and the majority of AM4 users who all are running on B450 or abouts motherboards, AMD 4000 is basically now DOA for me and the majority of AMD/AM4 owners and my clients, its going to probably sell poorly because of the lack of support honestly, only new system builders will get these new CPU's, most AM4 owners from the past 2.5yrs wont spend the money just to get support for a CPU that is only going to be around for 1yr on a socket thats dead in the same time frame, its just simply not worth it.

If B550 came out last yr and at an affordable price it might be a bit different but its just to late to the market sadly, and X570 boards here in AUS are bloody expensive!

Easy solution upgrade to Zen 2 or wait until Zen 4 which will be DDR5 and PCIe 5 and a new motherboard anyways.

oxrufiioxo said:
I personally wish we were getting X670 boards also with similar to Z490 vrms and no chipset fan.... Maybe at the very least we will see Refreshed X570 boards.

I think the chipset fan thing is abit overblown.

My system is very quiet and i've yet to hear it once.

Gmr_Chick · May 10, 2020

windwhirl said:
Don't restart this dumpster fire of a debate, please

Sorry about that, lol. Then again, I've been told I can be a bit of a shit disturber sometimes. Stirring the pot, baby! :roll:

oxrufiioxo · May 10, 2020

Makaveli said:
I think the chipset fan thing is abit overblown.

My system is very quiet and i've yet to hear it once.

I agree neither my Aorus Master/Hero 8 are audible but I would still prefer not having one.

Durvelle27 · May 10, 2020

Melvis said:
Im just not a fan of spending $800 on motherboards (X470+X570 of the same model) to get support for a CPU only a yr+ later, when there is no excuse not to be supported on the exact same socket.

This also applies to all my clients and the majority of AM4 users who all are running on B450 or abouts motherboards, AMD 4000 is basically now DOA for me and the majority of AMD/AM4 owners and my clients, its going to probably sell poorly because of the lack of support honestly, only new system builders will get these new CPU's, most AM4 owners from the past 2.5yrs wont spend the money just to get support for a CPU that is only going to be around for 1yr on a socket thats dead in the same time frame, its just simply not worth it.

If B550 came out last yr and at an affordable price it might be a bit different but its just to late to the market sadly, and X570 boards here in AUS are bloody expensive!

I'll definitely be spending money for a new board. $70-$100 for a new board is peanuts.

I'm positive AMD could care less about all these whiners after 3 years upset over a simple board change.

Melvis · May 10, 2020

Durvelle27 said:
I'll definitely be spending money for a new board. $70-$100 for a new board is peanuts.

I'm positive AMD could care less about all these whiners after 3 years upset over a simple board change.

You clearly didnt see my other post did you? $70-100? ......you gotta be joking! The same board as mine but X570 is $450! How the heck is that classed as peanuts? even the lowest end X570 is $300......

Oh your probably right but when sales of the 4000 series are alot less then expected they might start caring more.

Apocalypsee · May 10, 2020

Actually I kinda see this is coming since they did this during AM2+/AM3 time where some CPU compatible with some board and not the others. One of the reason why I sold off my 1600+B350 combo last year, if B350 is supported older CPU is going to be discarded from the BIOS just like they removed Bristol Ridge to support new CPU because of BIOS size limitation.

Thing is, this picture is wrong:

You know B350/X370 and even A320 supports Ryzen 3000 series, heck even some reported that X570 mobo supports Ryzen 1000 series. So without jumping to conclusions and argue to no end just wait and see how far this is true. If AMD don't lock it through AGESA I think mobo manufacturer can come out with something.

Tsukiyomi91 · May 10, 2020

the problem that AMD is having rn is BIOS ROM limitations. Sure, MSI remedied that with the MAX variant of older boards but even that won't be enough.

specopsFI · May 10, 2020

Tsukiyomi91 said:
the problem that AMD is having rn is BIOS ROM limitations. Sure, MSI remedied that with the MAX variant of older boards but even that won't be enough.

That 32MB chip is plenty. In fact, that's as good as any X570 board. And there are even X570 boards with 16MB chips. So no, that definitely isn't the real reason. AMD just wanted a clear-cut problem for them and MB vendors to solve. In stead of doing the work to serve their current customers, they basically went "screw them, we'll concentrate on future customers in stead". I honestly hope that their current customers make them pay for that. Supporting four generations of CPUs on three generations of MBs is a difficult task for sure, but AMD set up that challenge for themselves so they need to take the flak on not seeing it through. It's all about opportunity costs.

Prince Valiant · May 10, 2020

Never mind.

KLMR · May 10, 2020

I'm confused with the article's title.

Do B550 and X570 will support at least one "Zen 3" series? AMD say yes.

The Exciting Future of AMD Socket AM4

In 2016, we made a pretty bold commitment to you: we would continue to support AMD Socket AM4 until 2020. It was a big promise, especially given what people were accustomed to with other platforms. In the four ensuing years, the humble Socket AM4 has been on an incredible trajectory: 4X more...

community.amd.com

So:
AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

should be something like:
AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older than 5-series AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

Countryside · May 10, 2020

Durvelle27 said:
I'll definitely be spending money for a new board. $70-$100 for a new board is peanuts.

I'm positive AMD could care less about all these whiners after 3 years upset over a simple board change.

Is it really hard to understand the problem here of people who bough an Zen+ which is an 2 year old cpu and now i would like to upgrade my motherboard, lets see the options avilabe at the moment if indeed Zen+ is not supported on b550 then my two options are buy new mobo+cpu or an expensive x570 motherboard.

And the price on good b550 boards will be at least 120+

Makaveli · May 10, 2020

Melvis said:
Oh your probably right but when sales of the 4000 series are alot less then expected they might start caring more.

I do not believe the sales for these will be as slow as you think. Even if everyone in this thread complaining about it switched to intel builds its a drop in the bucket compared to overall numbers.

Dyatlov A · May 10, 2020

It is unbeliavable. X470 meant to be compatible. I would have buy otherwise just a cheap motherboard last summer.

Makaveli · May 10, 2020

Dyatlov A said:
It is unbeliavable. X470 meant to be compatible. I would have buy otherwise just a cheap motherboard last summer.

Unless you have an official source from AMD saying so then no.

medi01 · May 10, 2020

Makaveli said:
You are on an Intel build how is this even relevant to you?

So, it needs to touch me personally, for me to judge if something is right or wrong? (it's a rhetorical question)

PYRO1125 said:
TBH, now that AMD is pretty much back on top (for now) they should have done everything in their power to keep the loyal fan base, which means keeping support for all AM4 sockets.

They are on top only "product portfolio" wise.
It has had an effect in Desktop CPU DIY market, which is less than 20% of all desktop CPUs sold.

AMD is still ridiculously weak in anything that depends on OEM, which is where the money is, despite having disruptively better product.
Just imagine what happens to them, when that advantage is gone.

Makaveli · May 10, 2020

medi01 said:
So, it needs to touch me personally, for me to judge if something is right or wrong? (it's a rhetorical question)

Correct why does your opinon matter when you don't even own a AM4 board. The decision made by AMD doesn't affect you at all.

The only users that have a legit bone to pick here are AM4 users on boards that are not supported.

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