AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT: All You Need to Know

[pjl321]

AMD didn't set the price of this card at $479, buyers set the price of this card at around ~$600.

I believe what AMD is doing (and don't really blame them I guess) is they know AIBs will sell this card for ~$600 no matter what they set the MSRP at. The market right now means no matter what the price is they will sell out instantly, so why bother pricing these cards really low?

If AMD set the MSRP at $349 to be ultra competitive then AIBs would just make loads of money as the street price would still be ~$600, if AMD prices them at $479 then AMD & AIBs make loads of money. And you just have to hope some of that money goes into RDNA 3, 4 and 5 development.

Manufacturers don't set the price of products, buyers set the price! There isn't a single card on the market right now that I would buy, so my money is staying in my pocket. Once the mining bubble bursts or production catches up to demand then I will look at cards and prices again. What everyone else is up to them.

And who knows, maybe Intel will be the saviour of the PC gaming market!!!

 

[Chrispy_]

AMD didn't set the price of this card at $479, buyers set the price of this card at around ~$600.

I believe what AMD is doing (and don't really blame them I guess) is they know AIBs will sell this card for ~$600 no matter what they set the MSRP at. The market right now means no matter what the price is they will sell out instantly, so why bother pricing these cards really low?

If AMD set the MSRP at $349 to be ultra competitive then AIBs would just make loads of money as the street price would still be ~$600, if AMD prices them at $479 then AMD & AIBs make loads of money. And you just have to hope some of that money goes into RDNA 3, 4 and 5 development.

Manufacturers don't set the price of products, buyers set the price! There isn't a single card on the market right now that I would buy, so my money is staying in my pocket. Once the mining bubble bursts or production catches up to demand then I will look at cards and prices again. What everyone else is up to them.

And who knows, maybe Intel will be the saviour of the PC gaming market!!!

Watch the LTT video that came out earlier today.
AMD's plan is to sell these DIRECT to consumers via AMD.COM to cut out the retail-chain queue-jumping.
So, the MSRP matters: Gamers should be able to *try* and buy these direct from AMD at AMD's MSRP.

 

[vctr]

I wonder what you say about 3070.


When performance figures are with SAM, AMD explicitly states so.

IN fact benchmark numbers where with SAM on, GN asked AMD and they said it's with SAM on, with SAM off I'd expect it to be a bit slower or the same performance, tho 3060ti costs 20% less and will have 10% less performance, but I think 6700XT will be on par or a bit slower than 3070.

 

[mechtech]

"AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT: All You Need to Know"

Unavailable and expensive.

Also food for thought...........basically same silicon size (2560 shaders) as a 5700XT, but with 4 more gigs of ram and a smaller 192-bit bus. 5700XT was $399 at launch, so I guess 2 yrs of inflation and 4GB of extra ram is $80 US?

edit 2 - found something, albeit 2 yrs old

GDDR6 significantly more expensive than GDDR5

Electronic Components Dealers lists various Micron GDDR5 and GDDR6 chips, pricing for 2,000 units. From these it can be seen that GDDR6 is currently much more expensive than GDDR5 at the moment. Goi...

www.guru3d.com

 

[Minus Infinity]

Let's see, the 3070 RRP $499 USD should be about $650-700 AUD but instead is $1100-1400, so I'm guessing the 6700XT will be around $1000-1300AUD. Total equine defecation. Screw them both, I gave up and got a 2080 Super, as new, half new price and perfectly fine for my 1440p gaming and will be as fast at least as the 6700XT for raytracing. I'm skipping both current gen cards and waiting for Lovelace or RDNA3 for my upgrade.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

i agreee
i love using old outdated drives with missing features spread across 2 apps
i love it when i change a setting and the app stops responding for a good minute
that smash my harddrives randomly peg the cpu
i love it when my drivers crash
Oh wait thats my 1060s drivers not my 580s my bad

AMD drivers suckx: All You Need to Know​

 

[defaultluser]

The fact that AMD claims pit this against the RTX 3070 is astonishing. That basically means in raw power everything AMD has to offer beats out Nvidia at better prices up until the RTX 3080

So once the RX 6700 drops voice to reason it would be faster than the RTX 3060 Ti

This is a very interesting Generation for PC Gamers.

Not really. AMD's RDNA2cards gets stomped by anything Nvidia when you turn on a little thing called RTX.
The 3070 matched the 6900XT at 4k, and the 6700 XT is likely to trade-blows with either the 3060 Ti, or 3060.

By the time you can actually buy these things, there will be so many RT-supported games, it's going to be pointless.

 

[Bruno_O]

there will be so many RT-supported games, it's going to be pointless.

haha good one

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Not really. AMD's RDNA2cards gets stomped by anything Nvidia when you turn on a little thing called RTX.
The 3070 matched the 6900XT at 4k, and the 6700 XT is likely to trade-blows with either the 3060 Ti, or 3060.

By the time you can actually buy these things, there will be so many RT-supported games, it's going to be pointless.

ummmm no
until rtx has over 50% of the market basicly no dev is props gonna intergreate it
its expensive and stupid its a waste of time

 

[iO]

"AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT: All You Need to Know"

Unavailable and expensive.

Also food for thought...........basically same silicon size (2560 shaders) as a 5700XT, but with 4 more gigs of ram and a smaller 192-bit bus. 5700XT was $399 at launch, so I guess 2 yrs of inflation and 4GB of extra ram is $80 US?

edit 2 - found something, albeit 2 yrs old

GDDR6 significantly more expensive than GDDR5

Electronic Components Dealers lists various Micron GDDR5 and GDDR6 chips, pricing for 2,000 units. From these it can be seen that GDDR6 is currently much more expensive than GDDR5 at the moment. Goi...

www.guru3d.com

It's just more expensive to make as the die is ~330mm², so 33% larger than Navi10. Also 16Gbps memory chips instead of 14Gbps. But prices creeping up constantly definitely sucks...

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

ohhhh rgb dies

 

[mechtech]

It's just more expensive to make as the die is ~330mm², so 33% larger than Navi10. Also 16Gbps memory chips instead of 14Gbps. But prices creeping up constantly definitely sucks...
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That much bigger!!! sigh........thanks ray tracing.

 

[wolf]

The fact that AMD claims pit this against the RTX 3070 is astonishing. That basically means in raw power everything AMD has to offer beats out Nvidia at better prices up until the RTX 3080

Yes and no, in rasterization (arguably matters by far the most) yes, absolutely. RT/AI though, not even close. The problem AMD has is that Nvidia will still outsell them significantly anyway, even if their equivalently priced product has a slight edge, that ship takes a bloody long time to turn. if Nvidia even sniffed a significant threat, a price adjustment/Super refresh would be all it takes to keep shareholders and fans happy.

This is a very interesting Generation for PC Gamers.

Well ain't that the understatement of the Generation

AMD go eat Sh/t you've become worse than Ngreedia!

Yep the Avid Money-grubbing Division can certainly be just as bad if they can get away with it, like ANY company that wants to make money.

I wonder what you say about 3070.

I'm not sure of the point? The die is 396mm2 and TDP is 220w...

Same thing. The 3070 actually has a reasonable performance/Watt but I'm simply not interested in >200W cards.

Considered undervolting for this use case? given a TDP of 220w for the 3070, you could foreseeably retain 95%+ (often 100%) of the stock performance with a significant reduction in wattage and thus heat/noise output, Ampere are beasts at UV. Having said that I can see how starting from under 200w is even better, and then you could still layer UV on top of that. Genuinely don't really know how well RDNA2 cards undervolt.

 

[hardcore_gamer]

Doing a quick math, (52CU/40CU)*(1.825MHz/2.424MHz) = 0.98. The performance is similar to an Xbox series X which (the entire system) costs almost the same. What a time to be a PC gamer /s

 

[1d10t]

Yeah no, I'll stick with my card ATM.

 

[GamerGuy]

IF AMD sells the reference design cards (seems to be a good design as with all newer AMD and nVidia cards these days) at MSRP, they'd be the first to sell out. Now, the AIB cards would be sold at higher prices, that's a given as no AIB sells at MSRP - that goes for nVidia cards as well, and I expect prices to be around 600-700USD given the present GPU shortage and those pesky miners. Now, given that some scalpers here are selling an RTX 3060 for a whopping 800USD here in my neck of the woods, I'd not be at all surprised that the scalpers would sell the 6700 XT at that pricepoint of higher.

The local distributers of the various AIB cards would probably get a small supply of cards so I expect supply to be bad. It doesn't help that these cards would be sold by the various local brick and mortar shops in the local tech mall as a bundled system build. Based on my previous experience with the RX 6800/6900, many of these shops would sell these cards at scalers' pricing. I mean, I almost fell off my chair when I saw the RTX3070/RX 6800 being sold for 900 USD or higher.

 

[laszlo]

"bovine defecation" is a 1st on tpu as i know; @btarunr you may use " alien defecation" to reflect also availability...bovine one we can found a lot....

 

[medi01]

The die is

Who cares what the die size is?

RT/AI though, not even close.

AMD beats NV in red sponsored RT games, loses in green sponsored games. (in all two dozen or so of them)
"Not even close", chuckle.

"But if I drop resolution, use TAA anti-aliasing, buzzwords and call it by upscaled resolution"...

 

[Shatun_Bear]

"AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT: All You Need to Know"

Unavailable and expensive.

Also food for thought...........basically same silicon size (2560 shaders) as a 5700XT, but with 4 more gigs of ram and a smaller 192-bit bus. 5700XT was $399 at launch, so I guess 2 yrs of inflation and 4GB of extra ram is $80 US?

edit 2 - found something, albeit 2 yrs old

GDDR6 significantly more expensive than GDDR5

Electronic Components Dealers lists various Micron GDDR5 and GDDR6 chips, pricing for 2,000 units. From these it can be seen that GDDR6 is currently much more expensive than GDDR5 at the moment. Goi...

www.guru3d.com

Yeah, at least. As the 6700XT has Infinity Cache, so effective bandwidth far outstrips the 5700XT, but you chose to ignore that.

This is also a new architecture, so silicon size is totally meaningless.

Doing a quick math, (52CU/40CU)*(1.825MHz/2.424MHz) = 0.98. The performance is similar to an Xbox series X which (the entire system) costs almost the same. What a time to be a PC gamer /s

CU count is not really relevent here as Xbox Series X GPU is clocked so low (1.8Ghz). There's a reason the PS5 performs better in nearly every multiplatform game comparison despite 36 CUs.

 

[mechtech]

Yeah, at least. As the 6700XT has Infinity Cache, so effective bandwidth far outstrips the 5700XT, but you chose to ignore that.

This is also a new architecture, so silicon size is totally meaningless.

And covid and a bunch of other things also. I agree there is a price to everything, performance included.

My point was historically, there was usually a decent increase in performance for about the same price between generations. Like the old radon HD3850 to HD 4850 to HD 5850. The performance gains are there, but price has not really been incremental historically speaking. (covid, mining, supplies, tarifs, raytracing-bigger dies, etc. etc. have seen to that - unfortunately)

 

[Chrispy_]

Considered undervolting for this use case? given a TDP of 220w for the 3070, you could foreseeably retain 95%+ (often 100%) of the stock performance with a significant reduction in wattage and thus heat/noise output, Ampere are beasts at UV. Having said that I can see how starting from under 200w is even better, and then you could still layer UV on top of that. Genuinely don't really know how well RDNA2 cards undervolt.

I'll undoubtedly undervolt it if I get one, but I'm not actively trying to buy an Ampere card for myself and I doubt one will fall into my lap like they used to, because of the shortages this year.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

I'll undoubtedly undervolt it if I get one, but I'm not actively trying to buy an Ampere card for myself and I doubt one will fall into my lap like they used to, because of the shortages this year.

Can vouch for undervolting. My 3070 Gaming X Trio drew 230-250W on stock at 1075mv, 1965-1980 MHz, 63-65C.

Undervolted to 2010 MHz @ 900mv stable. Draws 140-180W and temps remain under 60C which is insane (case fans don't even need to ramp up past 1000 rpm so very quiet system while gaming, which is a first for me). Stable in all 3DMark tests, steady 2010 MHz frequency and even 2025 MHz sometimes.

I was very surprised to see how well these Ampere cards undervolt. Or maybe I just got lucky... or MSI did some black magic.

Stock:

UV:

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Can vouch for undervolting. My 3070 Gaming X Trio drew 230-250W on stock at 1075mv, 1965-1980 MHz, 63-65C.

Undervolted to 2010 MHz @ 900mv stable. Draws 140-180W and temps remain under 60C which is insane (case fans don't even need to ramp up past 1000 rpm so very quiet system while gaming, which is a first for me). Stable in all 3DMark tests, steady 2010 MHz frequency and even 2025 MHz sometimes.

I was very surprised to see how well these Ampere cards undervolt. Or maybe I just got lucky... or MSI did some black magic.

Stock:

UV:

What does it mean for the curve parts that are in the blue portion? Just constant?

 

[wolf]

IMO 230W is too much for my tastes on a 335 mm2 die.

I wonder what you say about 3070.

Who cares what the die size is?

Perhaps I've misunderstood the sequence of quotes that lead to you saying "I wonder what you say about 3070", so again I'll ask, I'm not sure of your point, are you just genuinely curious what they think of a 3070?

AMD beats NV in red sponsored RT games, loses in green sponsored games. (in all two dozen or so of them)
"Not even close", chuckle.

"But if I drop resolution, use TAA anti-aliasing, buzzwords and call it by upscaled resolution"...

RDNA2 silicone is simply less powerful at RT operations, and yeah, in raw terms, it's not even close. It looks to be roughly half as fast. AMD Sponsored titles perform better on AMD Hardware overall, both rast and potentially RT, because they extensively optimized it to use their bespoke hardware in the best way possible, is this news? Have you had look at the 3DMark DirectX Raytracing feature test (full path tracing), gives a pretty solid idea of RT performance capability - so In a vendor/optimization agnostic look it's not even close, chuckle.

And yeah again, Nvidia also adds DLSS into the mix to claw back the performance that DXR takes, Waiting to see what AMD can do here as a decent competitor, I genuinely want them to succeed here. No upscaling from a lower res will be without some compromise.

Hilbert Hagedoorn - Guru3d

Looking at raytracing, we have to admit that AMD is performing reasonable at best .... We had hoped for a bit more as RT wise ..... so overall AMD is offering a fun first experience in Hybrid raytracing but we expected more. If we look at full path Raytracing, then AMD lags behind significantly as the competition is showing numbers nearly twice as fast.

W1zzard - Techpowerup!

Raytracing performance loss bigger than on NVIDIA

Steve - Techspot/Hardware unboxed

In fact, if you care about ray tracing, the RTX 3080 is a much better option.

Jarred Walton - Tom's Hardware

Overall, AMD's ray tracing performance looks more like Nvidia's RTX 20-series GPUs than the new Ampere GPUs, which was sort of what we expected...Well. So much for AMD's comparable performance. AMD's RX 6800 series can definitely hold its own against Nvidia's RTX 30-series GPUs in traditional rasterization modes. Turn on ray tracing, even without DLSS, and things can get ugly.

This isn't in debate within the community, you're only trying to convince yourself.

What does it mean for the curve parts that are in the blue portion? Just constant?

Everything to the right of the highest point that is a flat line just means the GPU won't try and boost beyond that speed/voltage point on the curve.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

What does it mean for the curve parts that are in the blue portion? Just constant?

"Everything to the right of the highest point that is a flat line just means the GPU won't try and boost beyond that speed/voltage point on the curve."
This. I set it to run at 2025 MHz max constantly, with a constant 900mv. Don't need more than that.

On stock, it would fluctuate between 1965-1980 at higher temps and more power draw.

This way, it remains at a stable 2010-2025 MHz at 900mv, while drawling less power and having lower temps.