AMD Confirms it Won't Block any Workloads on its Graphics Cards - Including Mining

[Minus Infinity]

One must prefer AMD's stance because Nvidia's stance is bogus and a publicity stunt. AMD is upfront at least.

 

[ratirt]

I think this is a good thing but on the other hand AMD blocks the GPUs in other way such as locked clocks, power limit etc. So either way AMD wants to control something. Guess each company does since they have different targets with their products.

 

[bug]

I think this is a good thing but on the other hand AMD blocks the GPUs in other way such as locked clocks, power limit etc. So either way AMD wants to control something. Guess each company does since they have different targets with their products.

I believe it was already mentioned: it's not that they won't, but they can't. Their Linux driver is open-source, if they put any kind of limiter in there, miners will take it out in no-time. And they can't do the whole driver+silicon+firmware handshake either, because they didn't lock the firmware either.

 

[ratirt]

I believe it was already mentioned: it's not that they won't, but they can't. Their Linux driver is open-source, if they put any kind of limiter in there, miners will take it out in no-time. And they can't do the whole driver+silicon+firmware handshake either, because they didn't lock the firmware either.

That's not the point I was trying to make. They can't block mining so they block other stuff and "AMD wants to control something" was not a reference to mining.

 

[Fluffmeister]

One must prefer AMD's stance because Nvidia's stance is bogus and a publicity stunt. AMD is upfront at least.

Agreed, AMD don't care about gamers either.

 

[bencrutz]

I believe it was already mentioned: it's not that they won't, but they can't. Their Linux driver is open-source, if they put any kind of limiter in there, miners will take it out in no-time. And they can't do the whole driver+silicon+firmware handshake either, because they didn't lock the firmware either.

really? the open source driver still require AMDGPU firmware/microcode binary blobs.......

 

[R-T-B]

really? the open source driver still require AMDGPU firmware/microcode binary blobs.......

See my posts. Doesn't make a difference.

 

[ncrs]

The chip on the card is completely filled via the bios images we dump/modify. I don't know what you are getting at.

I don't think you understand the entire process that happens when you use one of those BIOS modifiers. The BIOS image is basically split in to parts like this (it's just an illustration): [PPPPPPNNNNPPNNNNNPPP] Where P contains cryptographically protected code and N does not. You modify N parts with your software. You flash the entire BIOS back into the chip. The protected parts don't change, crypto signatures are still valid and the card starts up. If you go and modify the image directly touching P parts thus screwing up the signed parts then the card will either not boot or not function properly (depending on what you broke).

 

[(*^^*)]

Nvidia tried to limit the RTX 3060. Does it make sense? RTX3060 is the position of RTX2070.RX5700XT.GTX1080ti. The thickest. Does it make sense for me to limit inventory for this spec for anything other than mining? I want to ask. I think Nvidia restricted the RTX3060 for profit and led miners to buy more than the RTX3060ti. Since it's dub anyway, I'd like you to think about strengthening production of the RTX 3060 without any restrictions. It is impossible to stop the miner. You just have to supply them until they settle down.

 

[R-T-B]

I don't think you understand the entire process that happens when you use one of those BIOS modifiers. The BIOS image is basically split in to parts like this

And I think you are massively underestimating what I understand.

 

[ncrs]

And I think you are massively underestimating what I understand.

Well, I base my assessment on our conversation here, and this reply only reinforces it.

 

[Luminescent]

AMD doesn't give a flying f...k about PC gaming, they barely exist compared to Nvidia and the time and effort to release that statement is already too much.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

AMD doesn't give a flying f...k about PC gaming, they barely exist compared to Nvidia and the time and effort to release that statement is already too much.

Likewise with your statement, total balls pal.

Barely exist, my ass they had consoles and pcs for well over ten years and your blinkered bullshit just demonstrated your opinions value.

 

[Luminescent]

Likewise with your statement, total balls pal.

Barely exist, my ass they had consoles and pcs for well over ten years and your blinkered bullshit just demonstrated your opinions value.

Read carefully what i said, PC gaming, not consoles.
Let's say i am AMD, should i care about the 1% gpu sales or 100% of console market i have, well, have as making the cpu and gpu for microsoft and sony.
Whatever they do with gpu's in PC realm is just money grab, history of what they launched the last 5 or more years proved it, radeon VII, vega 64 and more, at some point they didn't even tried to compete high end.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Read carefully what i said, PC gaming, not consoles.
Let's say i am AMD, should i care about the 1% gpu sales or 100% of console market i have, well, have as making the cpu and gpu for microsoft and sony.
Whatever they do with gpu's in PC realm is just money grab, history of what they launched the last 5 or more years proved it, radeon VII, vega 64 and more, at some point they didn't even tried to compete high end.

Read carefully what I say.

This is a thread about AMD not limiting miner's or any workload.

Take your biased let's debate AMD v Nvidia crap elsewhere, like the team green thread.

You have f all proof AMD don't care and if you do pass it the news team ,your vitreal is useless to this topic.
And the steam charts your type pedal mean shit too, before you pull that shit out.

 

[hat]

Read carefully what I say.

This is a thread about AMD not limiting miner's or any workload.

Take your biased let's debate AMD v Nvidia crap elsewhere, like the team green thread.

You have f all proof AMD don't care and if you do pass it the news team ,your vitreal is useless to this topic.
And the steam charts your type pedal mean shit too, before you pull that shit out.

AMD doesn't care. Neither does Nvidia, or Intel, or Taco Bell. They're all in the business to make money.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

AMD doesn't care. Neither does Nvidia, or Intel, or Taco Bell. They're all in the business to make money.

Without concerns for your customers and bottom line you won't be around long and that's the shortage rage talking , with no proof too.

I'm not without some anger over this shituation, but I'm not getting crazy, there's many reasons not one.
It's a true shitstorm, shitburg, shitnado Even of circumstances.

 

[hat]

Without concerns for your customers and bottom line you won't be around long and that's the shortage rage talking , with no proof too.

I'm not without some anger over this shituation, but I'm not getting crazy, there's many reasons not one.
It's a true shitstorm, shitburg, shitnado Even of circumstances.

While true, it's in every company's best interests to cater to their customers far enough to get sales. My point is that doesn't make them your friend. Nvidia won't come to your house and share a bottle and a pack of smokes if your girlfriend breaks up with you, but neither will AMD.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

While true, it's in every company's best interests to cater to their customers far enough to get sales. My point is that doesn't make them your friend. Nvidia won't come to your house and share a bottle and a pack of smokes if your girlfriend breaks up with you, but neither will AMD.

Obviously who said they'd get the beers in?!
But no need for the other extreme of no one cares either.

Not me n I'm not buying either

 

[R-T-B]

Well, I base my assessment on our conversation here, and this reply only reinforces it.

What would you like me to do? Link some of my mod work in bios land (I've done both VGA for both brands and UEFI/BIOS on mobos)? Would that help? Serious question.

Most recent two I believe can be found right here on Techpowerup. Mainly modded bioses for 5700XT with completely altered volt and clock tables as well as features toggled off to try to get the early cards stable. I also worked on scrubbing the Intel Management Engine from mobos, and am involved in the reverse engineering of it.

I have a hardware bios programmer I use a lot, have actually modded Pascal bioses too (one of the few to manage it, Falcon locks them down pretty bad), and know the chip on Navi at least is fully unprotected both by it's stated capacity and the fact I can modify basically any region without consequence.

 

[Aquinus]

I want AMD to produce good hardware and software support for said hardware. I think that limiting hardware artificially opposes that goal, regardless of the reason for it and even if I think crypto in its current form is dumb.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

While true, it's in every company's best interests to cater to their customers far enough to get sales. My point is that doesn't make them your friend. Nvidia won't come to your house and share a bottle and a pack of smokes if your girlfriend breaks up with you, but neither will AMD.

How many f l o p s does that pack of smokes have?

 

[hat]

How many f l o p s does that pack of smokes have?

Normally 20

 

[Jism]

I think this is a good thing but on the other hand AMD blocks the GPUs in other way such as locked clocks, power limit etc. So either way AMD wants to control something. Guess each company does since they have different targets with their products.

Sigh. It's to prevent cards from burning up. Just like their CPU's there is a limit on how much current and / or voltages they can take before degradation starts to kick in. They give you some tools to OC but pushing for the absolute limit is out of the question. They dont want RMA's on users who shoved too much voltage(s) or current through their chips, which makes perfect sense.