Intel Not Happy About BCLK Overclocking of 12th Gen CPUs, Warns of Damage

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Ya because I'm going to complain on here about Intel being the devil because I can't OC a $100 quad core. And while your at it how about you quote every poster on here that's complained about Intel as in making it an 'us vs them'.

Your the one necroing a thread to make a useless point.

You only just found this thread, no sir.

Without checking I doubt it but go you we can now have another flame war eh we have no threads for that, oh wait.

 

[OneMoar]

Ya because I'm going to complain on here about Intel being the devil because I can't OC a $100 quad core. And while your at it how about you quote every poster on here that's complained about Intel as in making it an 'us vs them'.

Seems like you got a bad case of putting words in people's mouths

 

[trsttte]

I doubt peeps who purchase locked cpu's expect to overclock them. If they're wanting a cpu that they can OC then they have the option to purchase an unlocked cpu.

That's not the only difference, K-skus are also clocked higher at stock and generally are better bins (silicon lottery).

Intel chooses to segment their market more with their offerings, we can complain about it all we want but it does business sense to do so - it also helps with markting because K-skus get more press coverage giving a false impression of leadership when the regular skus will perform a bit worse.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I doubt peeps who purchase locked cpu's expect to overclock them.

Absolute nonsense. I used to do it as a rule. Overclocking via FSB or BCLK was an excellent way to get tons of extra bang for buck. The problem Intel is having with the current gen CPU line is that there is the potential for damage if it is not done very carefully.

 

[Ruru]

That's not the only difference, K-skus are also clocked higher at stock and generally are better bins (silicon lottery).

Intel chooses to segment their market more with their offerings, we can complain about it all we want but it does business sense to do so - it also helps with markting because K-skus get more press coverage giving a false impression of leadership when the regular skus will perform a bit worse.

K-SKUs have also usually a better reselling value as people may have a locked CPU which they want to upgrade.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Could they not just sell everything unlocked? if they did the higher sku's would still be a better bin with more cache/cores so you would have some nice options depending on your budget.

 

[Ruru]

Could they not just sell everything unlocked? if they did the higher sku's would still be a better bin with more cache/cores so you would have some nice options depending on your budget.

Totally agree here, just like AMD does. Isn't every recent APU also unlocked (at least for desktop)?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Could they not just sell everything unlocked? if they did the higher sku's would still be a better bin with more cache/cores so you would have some nice options depending on your budget.

And a better deal for the buyer.

And thinking about it we did used to have way more tuneable ratios between thing's when north bridges were north bridges, it should not be the case that you have to buy an expensive board either.

 

[trsttte]

Could they not just sell everything unlocked? if they did the higher sku's would still be a better bin with more cache/cores so you would have some nice options depending on your budget.

Yes they could, just like they could let you overclock on non-Z series boards, just like they could support EEC memory outside Xeon, just like... But that would also mean lower profits

 

[AleXXX666]

External Clockgens only affect the CPU and RAMs BCLK, at least according to Der8auer.

oh yeah that man who sells overpriced SKUs of cpus with his signature lol

The Strix B660-F/G are ~210€ and both support BCLK OC.
But DDR5 prices make them also unattractive until the first DDR4 board with ext clock gen arrives...

where you find it, on wholesale christmas black friday stock? it is EUR 250 in sh*tty Europe, which is DIFFERENT from 210 EUR lol.

K-SKUs have also usually a better reselling value as people may have a locked CPU which they want to upgrade.

I could resale some hardware stuff at 100% price after 2 yrs of usage or even some at 150+%, but this is deal ONLY when you are like some private technician fixing some stuff for customer. good luck selling "with better value" just on-line, I have my 10700K on sale for traditional 100% price of any old i7, and you know 2 or 3 months no offers to buy it but only SIGNIFICALLY dropping the price, so you may put your K CPU, your **80 Ti, your Mercedes S class, iPhone or other stuff "with better reselling value" but good luck for you waiting for MONTHS to sell it lmfao

 

[iO]

where you find it, on wholesale christmas black friday stock? it is EUR 250 in sh*tty Europe, which is DIFFERENT from 210 EUR lol.

Strix-F starting at 205€ in german stores.

 

[Why_Me]

Strix-F starting at 205€ in german stores.

That's in the price range of an entry level Z690 board.

 

[Grog6]

Intel: Please don't OC your CPU's via BCLK. It may cause damage to our profits.

This is exactly the reason for their press release.

 

[AleXXX666]

Strix-F starting at 205€ in german stores.

then add some EUR 30 to shipping to other than Germany country and bingo, you have the other Europe price lmfao. Europe isn't only Germany, lol

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

Outside this being Intel - BCLK overclocking is not exactly safe and can damage other components if pushed far enough. External clock generators should not change anything in this, it is just a measure to circumvent whatever manufacturer has implemented to prevent BCLK overclocking.

RAM, PCIe, NVMe, SATA, USB and most other things that do run in sync with BCLK do need to be able to deal with increased frequencies somehow. 1-2% change might not cause many disruptions but beyond that it gets increasingly more crapshoot. And no, the problems you get may not be simple or obvious

his is why i hate about the AMD Ryzen 5800X3D cuz BSLK OCing is all u can do (except DDR4 XMP and Fclk OCing ;( OC has died though ;( thohg rumor is AMD has OC surprise with Zen4 and i cant wait to see this, tho im not buying AM5/DDR5 until Summer 2023 at the earliest!!!! but im w8ing...
Im waiting for some really good "ITX" AM5 Options, and we better get a Single FCH/PCH etc Chipset option for ITX B650/X670/ (Also matx) and ATX + E-ATX should have the Dual FCH/PCH option as the 690 chipset
and MB makers can add more than 2x M.2 or say m.3 slots(if ever come) on ITX MBs use asus dimm.2 and hav 2x of them, or have 2x on front side mb and 2x on back, Zen4 should have enough pci-e lanes for full x16 for gpu and 3x m.2 slots @ minimum, ATX is just too big and mATX isnt small enough! but also have a VRMs in a (non removable) riser like VRM with the PCB go sideways from teh MB to give more space for mb stuff like m.2... I want more Nvme slots vs x16 slots.... dual GPU is dead guys especially for gaming unless ypu do 3dmark hall of fames (which can just be done with a single 600w RTX 40 gpu (1200 watts just in gpus u need a 2000w psu to run your system that 2000 watts heater! no thanks