AMD Readies More Ryzen 5000X3D Processors?

[eazen]

It will create internal competition - why does AMD insist to produce two lineups with approximately equal or similar performance characteristics?
Zen 3 3D =~ Zen 4.

For once Zen 4 will be even faster. Secondly it will be fast in everything, not just games. It will literally destroy Zen 3D in regular computing apps. Zen3D doesn’t help regular workloads, to the contrary, you lose clock and the 3DVCache only helps in a few programs I know of, it’s just not useful for anything other than gaming.

 

[mama]

AM5 platform and Zen 4 offer more if you're looking to 'futureproof' (I know, not a real thing!)

 

[eidairaman1]

Not really. Alder Lake beats the Ryzen 9s at most creation loads right now. We know from the 5800X3D that the 3D versions are actually worse in creation workflows. This is strictly a gaming boost. The Ryzen 9 doesn't make sense. Now a Ryzen 5 would.

The 3D variants are being produced for binning reasons, then Zen 4 AM4 will be launched.

For once Zen 4 will be even faster. Secondly it will be fast in everything, not just games. It will literally destroy Zen 3D in regular computing apps. Zen3D doesn’t help regular workloads, to the contrary, you lose clock and the 3DVCache only helps in a few programs I know of, it’s just not useful for anything other than gaming.

Ever thought the 3D chips are the test platform for Zen 4?

 

[eazen]

The 3D variants are being produced for binning reasons, then Zen 4 AM4 will be launched.


Ever thought the 3D chips are the test platform for Zen 4?

I don’t think so, they are too different. It’s just first gen 3D chiplets, Zen 4 will probably be better, less heat problems, higher clocks.

 

[Guwapo77]

This is weird.

If you're actually interested Computer Universe is selling the 5800X3D 422€.

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They are also selling the 5950X for 480€

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[ModEl4]

$550 for a 5900X3D would be interesting and probably at the very edge regarding good scaling based on DDR4 memory and 142W PPT.
If AMD release 5600X3D at $300 and 5950X3D at $800 not so much imo but it will be an extra option (again if the rumours are true)
If AMD releases X3D versions for all Vermeer based models, then AM4-Zen4 rumors if true may be for lower end models and not for Zen4+14nm IOD?
(Or they could release them one year after X3D versions if Zen4-DDR5 platform isn't so successful but i don't think a 16core Zen4 to be a good idea with DDR4 & 142W PPT)

 

[Pumper]

If you're actually interested Computer Universe is selling the 5800X3D 422€.

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They are also selling the 5950X for 480€

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Shows 511,44 € for 5800X3D and 581,28 € for 5950X.

 

[Chomiq]

Shows 511,44 € for 5800X3D and 581,28 € for 5950X.

€519 shown here. Guess they're applying local VAT.

 

[eazen]

$550 for a 5900X3D would be interesting and probably at the very edge regarding good scaling based on DDR4 memory and 142W PPT.
If AMD release 5600X3D at $300 and 5950X3D at $800 not so much imo but it will be an extra option (again if the rumours are true)
If AMD releases X3D versions for all Vermeer based models, then AM4-Zen4 rumors if true may be for lower end models and not for Zen4+14nm IOD?
(Or they could release them one year after X3D versions if Zen4-DDR5 platform isn't so successful but i don't think a 16core Zen4 to be a good idea with DDR4 & 142W PPT)

The prices will be at least +100€ for each. It means, 300-350€ for 5600X3D, 550€ for 5900X3D and 650-750€ for 5950X3D, if this news is even real and not a dumb rumour. More or less the original prices when Zen 3 was new. Won't be cheap and anything else makes no sense.

 

[ModEl4]

The prices will be at least +100€ for each. It means, 300-350€ for 5600X3D, 550€ for 5900X3D and 650-750€ for 5950X3D, if this news is even real and not a dumb rumour. More or less the original prices when Zen 3 was new. Won't be cheap and anything else makes no sense.

That's what i thought also ($300/$450/$550/$800)

 

[Guwapo77]

Shows 511,44 € for 5800X3D and 581,28 € for 5950X.

OH damn it! My bad fellas. I had my stateside VPN on and it excluded the VAT. I turned it off for and in Germany and the prices include the VAT.

502€ and 571€ respectively.

I will keep this in mind when I return to the States next month when Newegg and Bestbuy has those shortages.

 

[eazen]

OH damn it! My bad fellas. I had my stateside VPN on and it excluded the VAT. I turned it off for and in Germany and the prices include the VAT.

The best prices in Germany are still 490€ish for the 5800X3D, 520ish for the 5950X, 400ish for 5900X.

 

[gffermari]

A 5600X3D/5900X3D will destroy AM5 sales.....

Who's gonna buy Zen 4 if there are so competitive AM4 options?
Zen 4 are not going to be that faster to justify the cost.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

£450 for a 5800x3D or £389 for a 12700k, seems a no brainer to me, unless you sepnd all day gaming and use your PC for nothing else.

 

[Guwapo77]

£450 for a 5800x3D or £389 for a 12700k, seems a no brainer to me, unless you sepnd all day gaming and use your PC for nothing else.

I agree. I don't think the 5800X3D was targeted for completely new builds though...

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I agree. I don't think the 5800X3D was targeted for completely new builds though...

Th X3D is great for gaming, but not so hot for everything else which is fine if you game a lot, otherwise the 80% time doing other stuff is not gonna be so good. Are the 5600X3D and 5900X3D gonna be the same, and run hotter too not forgetting.

 

[Why_Me]

£450 for a 5800x3D or £389 for a 12700k, seems a no brainer to me, unless you sepnd all day gaming and use your PC for nothing else.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09MDHZ2YQ
Intel Core i7-12700F £316.99

 

[Guwapo77]

Th X3D is great for gaming, but not so hot for everything else which is fine if you game a lot, otherwise the 80% time doing other stuff is not gonna be so good. Are the 5600X3D and 5900X3D gonna be the same, and run hotter too not forgetting.

I'm not disputing anything you said at all. I'm saying the X3Ds are for folks who are already using a compatible socket motherboard looking to upgrade from an earlier Zen processor. They won't switch over to a 12700K as that price different wouldn't matter.

 

[Jism]

Th X3D is great for gaming, but not so hot for everything else which is fine if you game a lot, otherwise the 80% time doing other stuff is not gonna be so good. Are the 5600X3D and 5900X3D gonna be the same, and run hotter too not forgetting.

Coming from a 2700x or 1700x for that matter your still looking at 50% performance increase over the 2nd generation of Zen+.

 

[eazen]

Th X3D is great for gaming, but not so hot for everything else which is fine if you game a lot, otherwise the 80% time doing other stuff is not gonna be so good. Are the 5600X3D and 5900X3D gonna be the same, and run hotter too not forgetting.

As if the 12700K is that hot because of those small gimp cores, please spare me. The 5800X3D is far more efficient and Id rather not support the most corrupt company on the planet.

 

[Why_Me]

As if the 12700K is that hot because of those small gimp cores, please spare me. The 5800X3D is far more efficient and Id rather not support the most corrupt company on the planet.

How well does the 5700X3D overclock?

 

[Mussels]

The one thing i dislike about my 5800x is the high operating temps despite its low wattages (yay for heat density) so it runs the same on air as custom water most of the time - if they can get me an x3D chip with lower operating temps, i'll have that 'final' AM4 CPU to round this system off for eternity

How well does the 5700X3D overclock?

it overclocks all the way into not existing!

(All zen 3 seem to clock more or less the same, the only differences is truly in the single thread boost and it's pretty small)

 

[Deleted member 24505]

As if the 12700K is that hot because of those small gimp cores, please spare me. The 5800X3D is far more efficient and Id rather not support the most corrupt company on the planet.

Wow you have a problem don't you. Gimp cores, lmao just another one who does not understand how they work or actually how powerful they are. Go back to sleep, or go hide yourself from big bad Intel.

 

[Mussels]

It will create internal competition - why does AMD insist to produce two lineups with approximately equal or similar performance characteristics?
Zen 3 3D =~ Zen 4.

Nah, it adds more sales.

They're now selling two sets of chipsets and two sets of CPU's, from different manufacturing nodes - this helps them keep up with supply as well as preventing what happened with zen 3 having a few launches that immediately went out of stock

 

[Pumper]

A 5600X3D/5900X3D will destroy AM5 sales.....

Who's gonna buy Zen 4 if there are so competitive AM4 options?
Zen 4 are not going to be that faster to justify the cost.

According to some guys from AMD, Zen4 will be ~40% faster in multi threaded, which is a major performance boost. 3D variants only matter in gaming.