Intel Asks Xe-HPG Scavenger Hunt Winners to Accept a CPU In Lieu of Graphics Card

[Kohl Baas]

I’ve been reading many posts on how Intel will need 7 years to really develop their GPU products. That it will take time and they shouldn’t abandon their plans. This might all be the right way to look at it but for some reason, Intel itself is not looking at it this way. They thought they would be competitive right out of the gate and cover 90% of the competitions’ products with its own.

The scavenger hunt is evidence of this situation. Intel management and marketing is most likely being lied to by Raja’s group. Realization of these lies is just coming to the surface. So the question, can Intel still deliver in the long run on a product line built on lies?

I don't think that Raja's team lied. I mean even Jon Pedie says Intel should abandon the GPU project since they were unable to pull it off in the first run. And JPR is not your overly optimistic Intel fan from around the corner. In their eyes, it would be better to trash it than sink more money in it.

I think the question is wether they want to handle this like a regular investment and judge it by those standards or like a "whatever it costs" project to penetrate the graphics market.

 

[Rakhmaninov3]

At this point I'd actually be a lot happier with the CPU given how much Arc sux0rZ

 

[Ruru]

This is going to be a very interesting release, an not in a good way.

At this point I'd actually be a lot happier with the CPU given how much Arc sux0rZ

For now, I'd point my finger to the drivers.

 

[HisDivineOrder]

I’ve been reading many posts on how Intel will need 7 years to really develop their GPU products. That it will take time and they shouldn’t abandon their plans. This might all be the right way to look at it but for some reason, Intel itself is not looking at it this way. They thought they would be competitive right out of the gate and cover 90% of the competitions’ products with its own.

I'm sure they saw the GPU shortages as they got closer and closer and internally they were high-fiving and thought this was going to guarantee them a great launch where they sold everything they could make. Then the driver team said, "Yeah, this thing won't even play games yet" in January. And by the time they got it DX12/Vulkan-ready, whoops, the shortage had become a massive surplus making everyone freak out.

And Intel was sitting there, watching Nvidia and AMD have problems selling cards and begin planning on delaying their launches to help solve it. And that's the moment Raja realized his team was in deep doo-doo. They waited six months too long and now they were a few billion short on all them internal management checks they been writing.

And somewhere Raja is throwing darts at a dartboard with the head of the driver team's face plastered dead center. "I woulda gotten away with it, too," he says, throwing another dart, "if not for them meddlin' kids."

 

[TheLostSwede]

TPU Staff - I know you're doing your best, but the title is simply incorrect. It paints a picture that does not correlate to the reality of the situation.

In lieu of, means instead of, which is true, no?

I made an account to state that this currently isn't true. As a winner of the Scavenger Hunt I was given the option to opt out of receiving an A770 GPU and getting an unspecified prize instead due to the delays (That turned out to be this). I did not opt out of the A770 and should still get it some time in the future.

The truth is that they are not trying to weasel out of anything at this moment, they were giving another option to people as a result of an exceptional situation.

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything I wrote that disagrees with what you wrote.
Nowhere did I write that Intel wasn't going to offer the winners a prize.
Also, even Intel said maybe with regards to giving the scavenger hunters a prize, as I already pointed out in the comments.

https://xehpg.intel.com/

 

[maxfly]

In lieu of, means instead of, which is true, no?


I'm sorry, but I don't see anything I wrote that disagrees with what you wrote.
Nowhere did I write that Intel wasn't going to offer the winners a prize.
Also, even Intel said maybe with regards to giving the scavenger hunters a prize, as I already pointed out in the comments.

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https://xehpg.intel.com/

Don't sweat it, just a boring weekend apparently.

 

[AusWolf]

Having to buy a motherboard for a CPU that you won is a shady business practice which everyone in their right mind should say no to. Besides, if this is sign that Intel has been too ambitious with Arc, then let them drown in their ambitions. Let them eat what they cooked.

 

[maxfly]

Having to buy a motherboard for a CPU that you won is a shady business practice which everyone in their right mind should say no to. Besides, if this is sign that Intel has been too ambitious with Arc, then let them drown in their ambitions. Let them eat what they cooked.

As opposed to a gpu that you need to buy an entire system to use? It doesn't seem like the mb theory holds much water...

 

[ZoneDymo]

As opposed to a gpu that you need to buy an entire system to use? It doesn't seem like the mb theory holds much water...

what? a new gpu would fit in whatever pc that has a pci-e slot....well maybe you would need a new psu.
And because its so reliant on resizable bar it needs something a tad newer to get the most out of it (but that is more a con of their new gpu's then anything else).

But a new cpu needs a new fitting motherboard to work, you can't just slot that into some old motherboard, and you need ram that fit it as well.

My friend has a 3570k system, if she won an A750 she could just install it and use it (thought she has a 3060Ti atm so she wouldnt but thats not the point).
If she instead got a 12700k, she would have to get a new motherboard and new ram as well......

so yeah it holds a lot of water.

 

[efikkan]

For now, I'd point my finger to the drivers.

The drivers are responsible for the bugs, but not the overall performance level. That's due to GPU scheduling.

I'm sure they saw the GPU shortages as they got closer and closer and internally they were high-fiving and thought this was going to guarantee them a great launch where they sold everything they could make. Then the driver team said, "Yeah, this thing won't even play games yet" in January. And by the time they got it DX12/Vulkan-ready, whoops, the shortage had become a massive surplus making everyone freak out.

I sure do hope they are not this short-sighted.

And Intel was sitting there, watching Nvidia and AMD have problems selling cards and begin planning on delaying their launches to help solve it.

How would delaying solve anything? (from their perspective)
Soon, AMD and Nvidia will start to launch their next gen, and if I'm not mistaken AMD will arrive with their new mid-range fairly quickly, displacing the A750/A770 to the lower mid-range. So by that logic, they should sell them as fast as possible, because their value is declining quickly.

 

[maxfly]

what? a new gpu would fit in whatever pc that has a pci-e slot....well maybe you would need a new psu.
And because its so reliant on resizable bar it needs something a tad newer to get the most out of it (but that is more a con of their new gpu's then anything else).

But a new cpu needs a new fitting motherboard to work, you can't just slot that into some old motherboard, and you need ram that fit it as well.

My friend has a 3570k system, if she won an A750 she could just install it and use it (thought she has a 3060Ti atm so she wouldnt but thats not the point).
If she instead got a 12700k, she would have to get a new motherboard and new ram as well......

so yeah it holds a lot of water.

You completely missed the point of the joke knight in shining armor

 

[JustAnEngineer]

This whole release is a severe dumpster fire. I can’t believe Intel with all its billions of dollars is so incompetent… it’s so sad to see this. I’ve never seen anything like this from Amd and nvidia or matrox or voodoo or Riva.

NV1 was a dumpster fire that almost wiped out NVidia. Fortunately, NV2 was pretty awesome.

 

[ZoneDymo]

You completely missed the point of the joke knight in shining armor

Well that is on you then because you are the one apperently trying to tell a joke that does not come across as such, let alone that it supposedly has a point..

 

[Assimilator]

NV1 was a dumpster fire that almost wiped out NVidia. Fortunately, NV2 was pretty awesome.

Please stop making entirely irrelevant comparisons.

 

[trsttte]

In lieu of, means instead of, which is true, no?


I'm sorry, but I don't see anything I wrote that disagrees with what you wrote.
Nowhere did I write that Intel wasn't going to offer the winners a prize.
Also, even Intel said maybe with regards to giving the scavenger hunters a prize, as I already pointed out in the comments.

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https://xehpg.intel.com/

"Intel Asks Xe-HPG Scavenger Hunt Winners to Accept a CPU In Lieu of Graphics Card"

We can spend all day discussing how it technically means the same thing but it doesn't change how the entire thing is worded with a depreciative and incorrect angle. Weekend and august are slower on news so whatever brings the engagement up and it's still fun to mock intel's latest debacle I guess

 

[TheLostSwede]

"Intel Asks Xe-HPG Scavenger Hunt Winners to Accept a CPU In Lieu of Graphics Card"

We can spend all day discussing how it technically means the same thing but it doesn't change how the entire thing is worded with a depreciative and incorrect angle. Weekend and august are slower on news so whatever brings the engagement up and it's still fun to mock intel's latest debacle I guess

Well, they did? I still don't understand the issue here. Intel contacted prize winners and asked them to accept a different prize than the one promised.
Since when is ask a bad word? I didn't write that they demand that users change their prize, nor that Intel is forcing them.

 

[Dimitriman]

Oh Intel... you've been Raja'd.

 

[Vayra86]

"Intel Asks Xe-HPG Scavenger Hunt Winners to Accept a CPU In Lieu of Graphics Card"

We can spend all day discussing how it technically means the same thing but it doesn't change how the entire thing is worded with a depreciative and incorrect angle. Weekend and august are slower on news so whatever brings the engagement up and it's still fun to mock intel's latest debacle I guess

Seriously man, look up the saying 'in the eyes of the beholder...' because this is all you.

Reminds me of this

 

[Ruru]

The drivers are responsible for the bugs, but not the overall performance level. That's due to GPU scheduling.

I admit that I have no idea what GPU scheduling means, I don't understand things that deeply.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Seriously man, look up the saying 'in the eyes of the beholder...' because this is all you.

Reminds me of this

Ah, so that's the youtube video where South Park got that character from for their episode "Canada on Strike", lol. I always wondered if there truly was an attention whore like that... I think they look more exaggerated in their own video than they do in the cartoon, which is usually the other way around.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Aww don't be angry

Im not angry, but this way of conversation you are doing makes me think your initial comment wasn't a joke but you are trying to play it off as such after realizing how silly it was, also unrelated why do you use so many smileys?

 

[mazzilla]

This is hilarious. Intel: Erm, hi winners, can we swap the GPU you might never have for either one of these processors that you may have? We seem to be having some "technical difficulties". Please let us know. Thank you in advance.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

“Okay okay, what if we send you the 12700k in an A770 box? We got lots of those ready.”

 

[AusWolf]

As opposed to a gpu that you need to buy an entire system to use? It doesn't seem like the mb theory holds much water...

The GPU can be used in any system without having to buy anything. The CPU can only be used with a motherboard that has a 600-series chipset. Chances are, if you have such a motherboard, then you already have an Alder Lake CPU as well, and you don't need another one.

 

[watzupken]

While I feel Intel did well with the first gen ARC GPUs, I do feel it doesn't look good on the company for failing to deliver even prizes, so much so that they have to substitute it, meaning they have no confidence in getting the product out anytime soon. I think most of these GPUs will be sold to the OEM direct, with little to no supply out in retail given how late they are in delivering their dGPUs. There is absolutely little to no chance of them selling much since Nvidia and AMD are also slashing prices. So they either have to sell it cheaper (while losing money for every card sold since the R&D cost for the first attempt is not cheap) or stop selling the higher end dGPU. They may be able to get away selling these to OEMs since people trust the Intel brand, and for those who are not savvy will think they got a great system for the gaming PC price they paid.