First Ryzen 7000-Series Pricing Posted by Canadian E-Tailer

[Bomby569]

Zen4 has a serious price problem. AM5 MBs priced between $300 and $600, 32 gigs of sweetspot DDR5 6000 costing 300 bucks and now CPU pricing that is not competitive with Alder lake... Even if Zen4 is 20% faster than Alder lake, how many people will be willing to pay these price premiums over it? What is AMD thinking?

There should be less expensive mobos releasing soon, but TDP goes up mobo prices goes up as they need to be better build overall.
Only DDR5 seems stupid to me, especially like you said going for cheaper RAM is a waste of money because you lose performance, it's like buying porsche and mixing water with the fuel, and DD5 6000 is still stupidly expensive.
CPU's could be a bit less expensive for sure.

If Intel plays it right they can beat price performance yet again.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

I don't see how AMD can win this time if pricing is really as bad as these early price tips suggest. For example I own Asus ROG Strix B660-F Gaming WiFi (214€) + 12400F (176€) OCed to 5.33 GHz. Sub 390€ combo that is on pair with 12700K/12900K in gaming. How much will AM5 combo cost? 300€ for 7600X only and then 250€ or more for decent B mobo when they come out...We're talking about $550 price tag (or more) if pricing is correct. 7600X needs to beat 12700K/12900K like 20% in gaming in order to be a viable alternative to 12400F for gamers imho.

 

[ModEl4]

If SRP are the same as 5000 series AMD will be forced to have lower street pricing anyway.
In a positive AMD scenario, imo 13600K/KF will be 1-2% slower than 7700X in 1080p gaming and 1-2% faster in multithreading apps like CB23 so very similar.(for those who wondering about gaming difference, the assumption is that while 5800X3D was just 11.9% faster on average in 720p vs 5800X (less in 1080p), (105W/142W) 7700X will be 20% faster than (105W/142W) 5800X (720p) and 12600K/KF will be only 10% slower than 13600K/KF (720p), this assumption gives the above difference)
12600K/KF was $289/$264, let's say Intel will increase 10-11% the prices at $319/$294 for 13600K/KF.
If I'm right for the performance and pricing, how is it possible for 7700X to sell at $400 (nevermind $450).
It won't be able to sell even at $350...
And i don't even examine M/B and DDR4 options...

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Dont draw too many conclusions from this, heck i dont even know why this stuff is posted to begin with

totally agree, kinda like the newegg oopsie's

 

[Vayra86]

Ahh, I see you are ignorant of this particular situation
Locked Non-K CPU Overclocking, i3-12100, i5-12400 & i7-12700 - YouTube
BCLK overclocking was originally possible only on Asus z690 Maximus Apex board, which indeed costs $600 (and was therefore mostly just a gimmick at the time) Open Box: ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex (WiFi 6E) LGA 1700 (Intel 12th Gen) ATX Gaming Motherboard (PCIe 5.0, DDR5, 24+0 Power Stages, DDR5, 5x M.2, 1x PCIe 5.0 M.2, PCIe 5.0 Hyper M.2 Card Bundled) - Newegg.com
But this hasn't been a case for over 6 months now ever since the two B660 boards that I already linked above got released.

Thx but it still does not change a single word of my response to it. Its clear enough And look what came out of the woodworks!

 

[thegnome]

I don't see how AMD can win this time if pricing is really as bad as these early price tips suggest. For example I own Asus ROG Strix B660-F Gaming WiFi (214€) + 12400F (176€) OCed to 5.33 GHz. Sub 390€ combo that is on pair with 12700K/12900K in gaming. How much will AM5 combo cost? 300€ for 7600X only and then 250€ or more for decent B mobo when they come out...We're talking about $550 price tag (or more) if pricing is correct. 7600X needs to beat 12700K/12900K like 20% in gaming in order to be a viable alternative to 12400F for gamers imho.

7600 will likely exist as well for a lower price, and you have full OC control on B650 if that helps their cause. But seriously, their mobo and cpu pricing must be low enough to actually compete in any meaningful way, otherwise it's a lost generation until Zen 5 will come out.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Ahh, I see you are ignorant of this particular situation
Locked Non-K CPU Overclocking, i3-12100, i5-12400 & i7-12700 - YouTube
BCLK overclocking was originally possible only on Asus z690 Maximus Apex board, which indeed costs $600 (and was therefore mostly just a gimmick at the time) Open Box: ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex (WiFi 6E) LGA 1700 (Intel 12th Gen) ATX Gaming Motherboard (PCIe 5.0, DDR5, 24+0 Power Stages, DDR5, 5x M.2, 1x PCIe 5.0 M.2, PCIe 5.0 Hyper M.2 Card Bundled) - Newegg.com
But this hasn't been a case for over 6 months now ever since the two B660 boards that I already linked above got released.

You are paying for ROG name, and Maximus, so of course you're paying $600 for that board. Its not a midrange board so it deserves a high end CPU.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Think asus cut their own throats with newer rog series boards
Only decent priced apex was z490 then things got really stupid overpriced even the cheap hero.

 

[Bones]

You are paying for ROG name, and Maximus, so of course you're paying $600 for that board. Its not a midrange board so it deserves a high end CPU.

Yep - Top boards always go for a top price, just like Ferrari's go for top dollar and a little Honda civic for way less.

You wanna play, you're gonna pay and boards are no exception.
I've got several high-end boards myself, some midrange ones and some of the low end ones too, considering what I do as a hobby with all this I should know.
Pricing is insane at times for stuff, that's when knowing what to look for, features and so on makes a real difference instead of just picking up some random board because the price tag is higher.

A board being more expensive doesn't always mean it's better.

 

[ratirt]

I don't see how AMD can win this time if pricing is really as bad as these early price tips suggest. For example I own Asus ROG Strix B660-F Gaming WiFi (214€) + 12400F (176€) OCed to 5.33 GHz. Sub 390€ combo that is on pair with 12700K/12900K in gaming. How much will AM5 combo cost? 300€ for 7600X only and then 250€ or more for decent B mobo when they come out...We're talking about $550 price tag (or more) if pricing is correct. 7600X needs to beat 12700K/12900K like 20% in gaming in order to be a viable alternative to 12400F for gamers imho.

There will be lower tier CPUs for sure. 7600x is not something you compare with price to a 12400f. You can wait for 7500 non-x type of a CPU and the price will be way better.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep - Top boards always go for a top price, just like Ferrari's go for top dollar and a little Honda civic for way less.

You wanna play, you're gonna pay and boards are no exception.
I've got several high-end boards myself, some midrange ones and some of the low end ones too, considering what I do as a hobby with all this I should know.
Pricing is insane at times for stuff, that's when knowing what to look for, features and so on makes a real difference instead of just picking up some random board because the price tag is higher.

A board being more expensive doesn't always mean it's better.

Hi,
I've toasted more prime deluxe and tuf x299 boards than I can count
Only one that has lived to date is x299 apex very cheap off ebay of all places
z490 apex is doing pretty well to my oldest board i have is x99 sabertooth still alive and kicking this was my first build 6+- years ago.

 

[Vayra86]

By my math a 7600X ($340) with an MSI X670-Pro A ($320) and 32GB of DDR5-6000 ($250+) will run right at $1000 after typical 8% sales tax in the US.

And that is basically a low end motherboard, lowest of the enthusiast CPUs, and midrange DDR5.

You can actually get a 12900K with a high end MSI MAG Carbon Z690 Wifi + DDR5 for a similar price right now.

Yeah but that Intel setup is suboptimal and will require fatter cooling (custom loop) to extract the value proper, avoid throttling; and on unspecified DDR5 Nice try lol, but thats not a deal I would personally go Intel for. The 12900K is pointless. Better argument to use is 12700k or something and then come out cheaper...
And then the perf crown is in AMDs hands for sure which, realistically it already is at every sane place in the current stack and also on the top end for gaming, with current gen X3D.

None of these comparisons really show clear cut winners. And we can rest assured pricing will reflect that. You basically say as much and i agree, there are no charity chipmakers.

As always... wait and see mode will be best. The competition is close enough that local pricing will dictate the best options...