First Ryzen 7000-Series Pricing Posted by Canadian E-Tailer

[thegnome]

65W CPUs are dead now?

See the X?

The 5600x was an exception, with all previous models being 95w, with the non-X being 65w.

 

[Vayra86]

Ah yes, the ol' when you've been proven wrong, claim it was a joke. It certainly didn't feel like one, because that was true when the bclk option was first discovered, but hasn't been for nearly half a year now.

Oh, and addition of more P cores would increase single threaded, lightly threaded and gaming tasks? We truly have ourselves a mensa member over here, folks!


5. Availability will be woefully bad for the first couple months just like with Zen3, so they are counting on their most fanatical fan base to buy up the initial batches regardless of price, then after Raptor Lake launches a month or so later and (more importantly) the stocks improve, prices will drop (again, just like with Zen3) considerably.

If you think someone saying a 600 dollar MB matches with a midrange Cpu worth a quarter is not joking you really should spend more time offline I think.

Its your interpretation after all... not mine. I read it as an obvious joke. Reason: I dont give a rat's ass about team red, green or blue. All I want is decent product at competitive price. And that is my point; join that club instead of trying to find opposition, because you will always find it if you look for it.

I honestly believe TPU is not really AMD or Intel minded at all. There are a few (rabid...) fans on either side and the vast majority doesnt care just like me.

Again we are talking about Intel providing more cores (up to 24 cores in Raptor Lake) and AMD being stuck at 16 P-cores which is what happened to the core series stuck at quad core in the past. So again I’m saying that more E-cores means Intel is also still stuck like AMD since they have not been able to provide more P-cores in their designs for the past four years. Both companies stuck with the same number of P-cores for awhile. Because of this single threaded, lightly threaded and gaming performance is only going up by changes within a SINGLE P-core. Adding more E-cores is not doing anything for these tasks.

Core counts should stagnate. It was logical in the quad core days and it makes sense today, I think the consensus has landed on 8 cores for the mainstream stack. Which is fine, right? I dont need more... A good CPU finds optimal balance between core count (MT) and ST.

Fact is though the P/E core design does add a few % perf for gaming apparently, whereas more cores on AMD do not. It is a mistake to discount that advantage, there is something to be had from big little.

 

[HenrySomeone]

If you think someone saying a 600 dollar MB matches with a midrange Cpu worth a quarter is not joking you really should spend more time offline I think.

Its your interpretation after all... not mine. I read it as an obvious joke. Reason: I dont give a rat's ass about team red, green or blue. All I want is decent product at competitive price. And that is my point; join that club instead of trying to find opposition, because you will always find it if you look for it.

Ahh, I see you are ignorant of this particular situation
Locked Non-K CPU Overclocking, i3-12100, i5-12400 & i7-12700 - YouTube
BCLK overclocking was originally possible only on Asus z690 Maximus Apex board, which indeed costs $600 (and was therefore mostly just a gimmick at the time) Open Box: ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex (WiFi 6E) LGA 1700 (Intel 12th Gen) ATX Gaming Motherboard (PCIe 5.0, DDR5, 24+0 Power Stages, DDR5, 5x M.2, 1x PCIe 5.0 M.2, PCIe 5.0 Hyper M.2 Card Bundled) - Newegg.com
But this hasn't been a case for over 6 months now ever since the two B660 boards that I already linked above got released.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Fun watching this thread.

The butthurt will continue as AMD fans, most of whom became fans because AMD catered to the low end value buy with the 3600/3600X, realize that not only will the new AMD CPUs cost more than the competition, the motherboards will as well.

Pricing for MSI X670 Motherboards Leaked, Lowest End Variant Costs up to 374 Euros

Following the recent Ryzen 7000 leaks, momomo_us now shared the MSI X670 motherboard listing on Twitter. What a day for leaks! It appears that some

appuals.com

And then there's DDR5..

 

[mechtech]

Fun watching this thread.

The butthurt will continue as AMD fans, most of whom became fans because AMD catered to the low end value buy with the 3600/3600X, realize that not only will the new AMD CPUs cost more than the competition, the motherboards will as well.

Pricing for MSI X670 Motherboards Leaked, Lowest End Variant Costs up to 374 Euros

Following the recent Ryzen 7000 leaks, momomo_us now shared the MSI X670 motherboard listing on Twitter. What a day for leaks! It appears that some

appuals.com

And then there's DDR5..

I think the covid gouging and post covid gouging has/is butthurting everyone...........especially the price at the pumps :|

 

[HenrySomeone]

Fun watching this thread.

The butthurt will continue as AMD fans, most of whom became fans because AMD catered to the low end value buy with the 3600/3600X, realize that not only will the new AMD CPUs cost more than the competition, the motherboards will as well.

Pricing for MSI X670 Motherboards Leaked, Lowest End Variant Costs up to 374 Euros

Following the recent Ryzen 7000 leaks, momomo_us now shared the MSI X670 motherboard listing on Twitter. What a day for leaks! It appears that some

appuals.com

And then there's DDR5..

Bingo! It will be fun to watch them flailing their arms in stupendous disbelief indeed, hehe

 

[Oberon]

Gotta love these new fanboys...

 

[RandallFlagg]

I think the covid gouging and post covid gouging has/is butthurting everyone...........especially the price at the pumps :|

By my math a 7600X ($340) with an MSI X670-Pro A ($320) and 32GB of DDR5-6000 ($250+) will run right at $1000 after typical 8% sales tax in the US.

And that is basically a low end motherboard, lowest of the enthusiast CPUs, and midrange DDR5.

You can actually get a 12900K with a high end MSI MAG Carbon Z690 Wifi + DDR5 for a similar price right now.

 

[Oberon]

By my math a 7600X ($340) with an MSI X670-Pro A ($320) and 32GB of DDR5-6000 ($250+) will run right at $1000 after typical 8% sales tax in the US.

And that is basically a low end motherboard, lowest of the enthusiast CPUs, and midrange DDR5.

You can actually get a 12900K with a high end MSI MAG Carbon Z690 Wifi + DDR5 for a similar price right now.

Any X670 is not a "low end" motherboard. It may be a cheap X670 board, but there are at least three tiers of motherboards below it.

 

[HenrySomeone]

By my math a 7600X ($340) with an MSI X670-Pro A ($320) and 32GB of DDR5-6000 ($250+) will run right at $1000 after typical 8% sales tax in the US.

And that is basically a low end motherboard, lowest of the enthusiast CPUs, and midrange DDR5.

You can actually get a 12900K with a high end MSI MAG Carbon Z690 Wifi + DDR5 for a similar price right now.

I actually sorta hope this will be the case, just to see the insufferable team red fanboys writhe like snakes on a hot stove top, trying to find excuses like "But, muh futurpruf!"

Any X670 is not a "low end" motherboard. It may be a cheap X670 board, but there are at least three tiers of motherboards below it.

It will be the lowest one available on the new socket for quite some time. You lot always made an issue of Z chipsets coming slightly before the rest. How long was X570 the only one available?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Any X670 is not a "low end" motherboard. It may be a cheap X670 board, but there are at least three tiers of motherboards below it.

Enjoy waiting 3-6 months for cheap chipsets. My only decision is to whether to get a Z690, or a Z790. I know how much the Z690 is, $120 less than X670.

 

[HisDivineOrder]

Fun watching this thread.

The butthurt will continue as AMD fans, most of whom became fans because AMD catered to the low end value buy with the 3600/3600X, realize that not only will the new AMD CPUs cost more than the competition, the motherboards will as well.

Pricing for MSI X670 Motherboards Leaked, Lowest End Variant Costs up to 374 Euros

Following the recent Ryzen 7000 leaks, momomo_us now shared the MSI X670 motherboard listing on Twitter. What a day for leaks! It appears that some

appuals.com

And then there's DDR5..

I never got what made people think AMD was a charity in the first place. I remember way back to when AMD originally got the performance advantage with the original FX chips and were selling $1k CPU's because Intel had gotten away with it before them. AMD doesn't set trends low unless their products are terrible. I remember when they got the advantage as either ATI or AMD and would price their cards high relative to Nvidia.

AMD is a business. They're there to make money. They aren't trying to save PC's or PC gaming or whatever.

And they want money and they've been playing the same game to make money as Nvidia and Intel. They've just been traditionally worse at playing until recently and the better they get, the more like Nvidia and Intel they will appear to be because their longterm goal is to make money just like them.

Buy the best deal and be glad for it. Companies are like King Kong vs Godzilla. And we're the little people, the ants, trying to dodge their poop and get their scales/fur to get .5 extra frames in Cyberpunk.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I never got what made people think AMD was a charity in the first place. I remember way back to when AMD originally got the performance advantage with the original FX chips and were selling $1k CPU's because Intel had gotten away with it before them. AMD doesn't set trends low unless their products are terrible. I remember when they got the advantage as either ATI or AMD and would price their cards high relative to Nvidia.

AMD is a business. They're there to make money. They aren't trying to save PC's or PC gaming or whatever.

And they want money and they've been playing the same game to make money as Nvidia and Intel. They've just been traditionally worse at playing until recently and the better they get, the more like Nvidia and Intel they will appear to be because their longterm goal is to make money just like them.

Buy the best deal and be glad for it. Companies are like King Kong vs Godzilla. And we're the little people, the ants, trying to dodge their poop and get their scales/fur to get .5 extra frames in Cyberpunk.

AMD has an excellent marketing department that made early use of social media, in fact the idea of 'Team Red' is a direct by-product of their marketing campaigns that recruited acolytes, er users, to advocate for their products on social media. They did this by giving them free paraphernalia, er t-shirts hats and stickers, and sometimes free GPUs to those who made a lot of pro-AMD posts on social media. Yes this actually happened, and it gets worse if you read up on it.

There was never really a 'Team Blue', just some belated reactions from Intel. AMD is much better than Intel in that marketing area. And that is the real true answer.

 

[Oberon]

AMD has an excellent marketing department that made early use of social media, in fact the idea of 'Team Red' is a direct by-product of their marketing campaigns that recruited acolytes, er users, to advocate for their products on social media. They did this by giving them free paraphernalia, er t-shirts hats and stickers, and sometimes free GPUs to those who made a lot of pro-AMD posts on social media. Yes this actually happened, and it gets worse if you read up on it.

There was never really a 'Team Blue', just some belated reactions from Intel. AMD is much better than Intel in that marketing area. And that is the real true answer.

Got any resources you can link for someone to "read up" on?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Got any resources you can link for someone to "read up" on?

Red team exists. Red Team Plus were the free hardware people.

Case Study: AMD Red Team Plus Identity

Recognizing the heavy influence of a self-organized group of elite evangelists, AMD extended their social reach and harnessed extreme customer loyalty.

www.bulbapp.com

This is what reportedly happened after launching these brand partisans into social media. If there is anything that proves the common person is incapable of thinking for themselves, this is it.

AMD absolutely sucked back then (2015) and yet :

"According to AMD, Following the Brand Launch:​

• The Advocates’ Twitter audience increased by 89% in H2 2015
• Roughly 10,000 AMD-related Twitter mentions by Advocates in both Q1 and Q2 2015
• Positive sentiment increased by 12% within the Advocate Network
• Seeding product with the Advocates has generated widespread user-generated original content on Instagram, Google+, Facebook, YouTube, and several gaming-specific platforms"

 

[Oberon]

Red team exists. Red Team Plus were the free hardware people.

Case Study: AMD Red Team Plus Identity

Recognizing the heavy influence of a self-organized group of elite evangelists, AMD extended their social reach and harnessed extreme customer loyalty.

www.bulbapp.com

This is what reportedly happened after launching these brand partisans into social media. If there is anything that proves the common person is incapable of thinking for themselves, this is it.

AMD absolutely sucked back then (2015) and yet :

"According to AMD, Following the Brand Launch:​

• The Advocates’ Twitter audience increased by 89% in H2 2015
• Roughly 10,000 AMD-related Twitter mentions by Advocates in both Q1 and Q2 2015
• Positive sentiment increased by 12% within the Advocate Network
• Seeding product with the Advocates has generated widespread user-generated original content on Instagram, Google+, Facebook, YouTube, and several gaming-specific platforms"

Where's the "worse" part? This is just employing influencers, which is hardly rare.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Did Intel say they will have to increase their prices? I'm afraid both will fuck us this time around, as someone said both care only about money.

 

[Bones]

Did Intel say they will have to increase their prices? I'm afraid both will fuck us this time around, as someone said both care only about money.

This is it.
That is true, both companies are a business and in it for the same reason, namely to make money.
Neither gives a crap about you and your needs, they just make what they make and if it's good for you then you buy it - It's that simple.

I run both and neither shows anything to make me want to stick with one or the other, ATM I'm mainly doing AMD/Ryzen for stuff in general and it's OK.
Does what I want it to and that's all I'm wanting from it, no one else's needs applies here.

Recently swapped out my 7700K/Maximus IX Apex from daily duties and popped an AM3 in place running a 555 BE and a Crosshair V-Z with 8GB's of RAM - Before that I had a Socket 939 with a Opteron 180 running 4GB's of DDR and it did rather well, almost as good as the 7700K setup was doing for web browsing and playing videos at least. Was curious how it would do with things on the web as they are now vs what was before when it came out, I was suprised how well it got the job done.
I'm always swapping stuff around anyway so that's what I do and how I do it when I get bored.

As for 7000 series pricing, it's still too early to say where these will finally land price-wise and even now it's all nothing more than speculation at this point, arguing about it here ain't gonna determine a damn thing about it there.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Where's the "worse" part? This is just employing influencers, which is hardly rare.

It was rare, and still isn't done by Intel. AMD got there early with some rather dubious ethics. For example :

"Would you like to be considered for the AMD Advocacy Program?" Free HW available ... - AlienBabelTech

Would you like to be considered for the AMD advocacy program? This question greeted AMD fans who were asked to confirm their attendance at AMD Technograffiti which took place March 7th in Austin, Texas the...

alienbabeltech.com

"However, let’s now look closely at what AMD says about their Advocate program.

Q. What is the AMD Advocate program on the signup?
A. Members of the program will occasionally get the chance to take home an AMD product in exchange for giving the product some airtime on their blog, Twitter, or whatever. Essentially, we want to make reviewers out of ordinary people who will get a chance to spend some time with a CPU or a graphics card and the like. Honestly and openly share your thoughts, start a conversation, get people talking. That’s all we ask.

The people who are asked to sign up are already fans, attending AMD’s Technograffiti event. Here they are offered an AMD product in exchange for blogging about it, using twitter, or talking about it on other social media such as on a tech forum. We don’t see any requirement that these fans make clear to their readers that the hardware is in exchange for their advocacy. "


But these days AMD doesn't need to do that so much, they have people like you for example who apparently thinks this is perfectly a-ok...

 

[Oberon]

It was rare, and still isn't done by Intel. AMD got there early with some rather dubious ethics. For example :

"Would you like to be considered for the AMD Advocacy Program?" Free HW available ... - AlienBabelTech

Would you like to be considered for the AMD advocacy program? This question greeted AMD fans who were asked to confirm their attendance at AMD Technograffiti which took place March 7th in Austin, Texas the...

alienbabeltech.com

"However, let’s now look closely at what AMD says about their Advocate program.


The people who are asked to sign up are already fans, attending AMD’s Technograffiti event. Here they are offered an AMD product in exchange for blogging about it, using twitter, or talking about it on other social media such as on a tech forum. We don’t see any requirement that these fans make clear to their readers that the hardware is in exchange for their advocacy. "


But these days AMD doesn't need to do that so much, they have people like you for example who apparently thinks this is perfectly a-ok...

Disclosure requirements are legal requirements, and those disclosures are definitely made (just go look into the horde of streamers they got to pitch the 6500 XT of all things). At the time this article was written, YouTube hardware reviews were just starting to take off and it really seems like and effort to make inroads there. This really just seems like a poor attempt to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I also don't get why you seem to think that implies anything about me, but I'm starting to get the picture.

 

[ratirt]

I'm sure the prices wont be as high. It is a bit different what a retailer asks for a product and what the MSRP is so I would be cautious with pricing statements. At launch everything can be higher in price but I'm sure it will drop within a few weeks.

 

[mama]

The real question is do you bet on Raptor Lake and its motherboard which will cap off that generation or do you go Raphael with the prospect that future AM5 products should slot in for years to come. No brainer really.

 

[ModEl4]

I went to directdial to check the 5000 series and the prices are very similar with 7000 (445/638/807/1125)
So this suggests (just an indication) same or very similar prices with the 5000 models.(so in complete contrast with the previous rumors)
I really can't understand headlines like Tom's hardware or many other sites, they didn't even devoted 1 minute to check the prices for the old models.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows how much these reporters are earning per month?

Ryzen 7000 Retailer Pricing Shows Big Hike Over Ryzen 5000 (10% to 12% more expensive than the current Ryzen 5000 pricing)​

 

[Bomby569]

350 for a 6 core and 500 for a 8 core? this is what buying up 300 dollar 6 cores last gen did to AMD you people.

that's fake dollars, canadian ruppies.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Zen4 has a serious price problem. AM5 MBs priced between $300 and $600, 32 gigs of sweetspot DDR5 6000 costing 300 bucks and now CPU pricing that is not competitive with Alder lake... Even if Zen4 is 20% faster than Alder lake, how many people will be willing to pay these price premiums over it? What is AMD thinking?