Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" Desktop Processors Launched: +15% ST, +41% MT Uplift

[Wolfkin]

13700K at $409? When is retail launch?

October 20th

 

[Dirt Chip]

When can we see the actual reviews?
another month like in zen4 case?

 

[IllIIIl]

For intel, Pre-sale has started in my region and my location is shipping on October 20th.
After currency conversion vs msrp
13900k is $690(590),
13700k is $492(410),
13600k is $380(320).

For amd, after currency conversion vs msrp,
7950x is $775(700),
7900x is $605(550),
7700x is $422(400),
7600x is $317(300)

Relative to amd's msrp, I don't know if it's intel being confident or they just want to make a fortune in my area

 

[usiname]

It looks like many peoples on TPU does not know the meaning of the phrase "Up To"

 

[Berfs1]

I absolutely love how half the slides were disclosures

 

[Space Lynx]

And no longer monolithic. I wouldn't hold my breath on Intel's first disaggregated (chiplet style) CPU being a performance paradigm shift, except maybe in the iGPU space.

I keep thinking Raptor Lake will be the LT1 of CPUs, the last and best of a dying breed of high power no holds barred performance CPUs.

I just want a 8-core Raptor Lake KF model with no e-cores. that's what I want. the 6 core no e-core variant just isn't enough for me.

 

[john_]

The price of i9 13900K shows how cheap it is for Intel to add 8 more E cores. Tremendous price advantage over Ryzen 9 7950X, while at the same time advertising more cores to the naives.

That being said, we get very powerful platforms this year from both companies, but also very expensive platforms from both companies.
With the exception of those who will pay anything to get the best and sell it when the next gen is released, people should consider buying the platform that will give them best value not just today, but for the next 2-4 years.

 

[Berfs1]

I just want a 8-core Raptor Lake KF model with no e-cores. that's what I want. the 6 core no e-core variant just isn't enough for me.

So get a 13700KF and disable the e cores lol

 

[ModEl4]

Intel's partners are buying 13900K/KF and 13700K/KF at nearly the same price as what was buying 12th gen and 13600K/KF $30 more or so, depending on demand/supply we may see 13900KF/13700KF/13600KF at $579/$399/$299 street price if there is good availability effectively competing against 7900X/7700X/7600X on pricing.
But in reality probably with these low 1K unit prices we may see higher mark-ups from partners since the competition doesn't offer competitive enough pricing!
If i remember Alder Lake's early street pricing vs 1K unit prices was a little better, but we'll see in 3 weeks the real deal anyway.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I just want a 8-core Raptor Lake KF model with no e-cores. that's what I want. the 6 core no e-core variant just isn't enough for me.

As an Alder Lake owner I can tell you the E-Core hate is way overblown. I've run into nothing.

That being said, once someone reads something on the internet and has told themselves it's going to be a problem, they'll never be happy with said product.

Just buy a 5800x3d and be done with it. Tons of still (relatively) inexpensive B550 and X570s boards available, and 32GB of fast DDR4 can be had for less than top end DDR5.

The 5800x3d is still the one to beat for gaming - it's miles ahead of vanilla Ryzen 5000, and overall a tie with AL. AM4 and DDR4 are super mature so smooth sailing out of the box.

 

[Berfs1]

That being said, we get very powerful platforms this year from both companies, but also very expensive platforms from both companies.
With the exception of those who will pay anything to get the best and sell it when the next gen is released, people should consider buying the platform that will give them best value not just today, but for the next 2-4 years.

It's sad that many builders say they are going to buy so and so motherboard and upgrade the CPU 2 years later... only to upgrade the entire motherboard and CPU and RAM when they get around to it. Older CPUs are fine too!

 

[P4-630]

So get a 13700KF and disable the e cores lol

I may upgrade to i7 13700K in the near future, not disabling any e-cores though....Haha,,
Currently my i7 12700K does the job, waiting for reviews of the RL CPU's.

 

[Gameslove]

Overall Ryzen 7 5800x3d stay the best cpu gaming of the 2022.

 

[Denver]

Interesting to note that the ryzen 5800X3D still manages to beat both Zen4 and RL in certain games.

 

[john_]

Interesting to note that the ryzen 5800X3D still manages to beat both Zen4 and RL in certain games.

The probable reason why Intel decided to NOT put a standard bar for 5800X3D in it's slides, but "hide" the X3D's results in a small red line.

 

[IllIIIl]

The probable reason why Intel decided to NOT put a standard bar for 5800X3D in it's slides, but "hide" the X3D's results in a small red line.

I didn't realize 5800x3d existed until I saw your comment.

on game frame rate
5800x3d‹7600x‹7950x(≈13900k?)
7600x is very close to the 7950x ,and the 12700k is also very close to the 7600x, which means that the 13th generation intel products will basically not improve compared to the 12th generation?

 

[v12dock]

Seems okay I can see why Pat made the comment about AMD having to much momentum. X3D is still ahead some a number of titles and 7000X3D will most likely be available 3-4 months after RL retail release.

 

[R0H1T]

The price of i9 13900K shows how cheap it is for Intel to add 8 more E cores. Tremendous price advantage over Ryzen 9 7950X, while at the same time advertising more cores to the naives.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, chiplets still yield better & AMD's making them on smaller/denser nodes. The profit margins on the R9 chips are insane! Intel on the other hand lost slightly more (less?) than a billion for the first time in many years.

If AMD really wanted they could price Intel out of the market completely, but just like Intel in the previous decade they won't do that. I'll let you guess why.

 

[john_]

I wouldn't be so sure of that, chiplets still yield better & AMD's making them on smaller/denser nodes. The profit margins on the R9 chips are insane! Intel on the other hand lost slightly more (less?) than a billion for the first time in many years.

If AMD really wanted they could price Intel out of the market completely, but just like Intel in the previous decade they won't do that. I'll let you guess why.

I don't think you are right here. TSMC doesn't build chips for free. They get payed for those and in last years they had done some price hikes themselves affecting their customers. AMD is probably paying a high price for those chiplets. On the other hand Intel is taking money from one pocket and puts it in the other by building it's CPUs at it's own fabs. And they have so many models out there and so many customers and OEMs, that probably they are salvaging almost everything faulty they build. Probalem in iGPU? No problem. It's an F model. Problem in E core cluster? No problem. We just rename it. Problem in a P core? No problem again.

 

[R0H1T]

That is true to a large extent wrt TSMC, but it has to show in numbers right? AMD's printing money like no tomorrow & their margins have only expanded. Intel's margins are nosediving & the vast majority of that is down to monolithic chips.

AT doesn't seem to have the latest chart, but they're only further down now ~

 

[Space Lynx]

So get a 13700KF and disable the e cores lol

true. I had asked in another thread if all motherboards support disabling e-cores and no one answered me, so I wasn't confident this was possible except with high end motherboards.

I guess it is common though so I don't need to worry about that.

I might do this.

 

[john_]

That is true to a large extent wrt TSMC, but it has to show in numbers right? AMD's printing money like no tomorrow & their margins have only expanded. Intel's margins are nosediving & the vast majority of that is down to monolithic chips.

AT doesn't seem to have the latest chart, but they're only further down now ~

Intel is probably selling CPUs to OEMs at a huge discount. They are probably selling server CPUs at a huge discount, or not sell enough compared to the past. Also they are losing money from GPUs, had to kill Octane, they are a huge company. Many reasons to make money, many reasons to lose money.

In the end Intel's and AMD's profit margins the last quarter was about the same. AMD, gone up, Intel way down, but still about the same. So AMD is not really making a gazillion of profits and definitely Intel still enjoys good profits. Just not as high as needed to cover a much bigger number of wages, much more departments, much more R&D budgets, let's not forget manufacturing expansion with new fabs and of course a dividend that AMD is not paying.


Also something else that I added in my previous post, after your reply, so decided to move it here.

AMD doesn't have the needed capacity to "price Intel out of the market completely". They would had to secure a huge number of wafers from TSMC, probably even compete with Apple as the top TSMC customer to have the capacity to offer enough Ryzen CPUs to cover the huge demand that will be the result of selling Ryzen CPUs at really low prices.

 

[P4-630]

true. I had asked in another thread if all motherboards support disabling e-cores and no one answered me, so I wasn't confident this was possible except with high end motherboards.

I guess it is common though so I don't need to worry about that.

I might do this.

I haven't found a need yet to do this.

 

[Frank_100]

One thing is the had to cut AVX-512 because of e-cores if you're into that sort of thing.

So any software that uses Intel MKL Library will have a performance hit.

Obvious:
Mathmatica
R

Less Obvious:
Waves Plug-ins.

but it may not be much of a hit.
All that stuff works on Apple.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

As an Alder Lake owner I can tell you the E-Core hate is way overblown. I've run into nothing.

That being said, once someone reads something on the internet and has told themselves it's going to be a problem, they'll never be happy with said product.

Just buy a 5800x3d and be done with it. Tons of still (relatively) inexpensive B550 and X570s boards available, and 32GB of fast DDR4 can be had for less than top end DDR5.

The 5800x3d is still the one to beat for gaming - it's miles ahead of vanilla Ryzen 5000, and overall a tie with AL. AM4 and DDR4 are super mature so smooth sailing out of the box.

Guys, I can tell you that THIS ISSUE has not affected ME specifically and as we all know anecdotes are fact so there is NO ISSUE so stop complaining!