Gigabyte Announces Instant 6 GHz Mode for the Intel Core i9-13900K on its Z790 Motherboards

[InVasMani]

Speaking of water cooling and two pumps. I'd like to see the AIO's with in line pumps do that on both ends of the lines for more high-flow and failover.

 

[freeagent]

I'd like to see the AIO's with

I would like to see an AIO that is basically a small custom loop where you have a quality rad and pump that has real capacity and can be refilled. I know you can buy kits but who wants to spend 500 to cool a component?

 

[svan71]

Shame their boards are ugly as sin, and they cheeped out on audio.

 

[The red spirit]

Its funny how things that were old come back in fashion again

Rigs that can pull 800w+ at the wall might be commonplace again.

And amped up too. FX 9590 officially had 225 watt TDP, while in reality it sucked ~280-290 watts, meanwhile i9 now sucks a bit over 300 watts. I have zero idea how much power R9 295x2 sucked, but liekly not 500 watts, a bit less, but imagine what RTX 4090 x2 could suck and enterprise GPUs now went from 300 watts to 700 watts.

The last time I was able to pull 800w at the wall was with X5690 and GTX 570 SLi all running F@H.

Thats full load, not even playing a game

I think absolute worst thing you could build was something like dual socket overclocked Xeons Sandy-Hasswell era, all RAM slots filled, likely 16, 4 SATA SSDs in RAID 0, 2 R9 295x2s in CrossFire, lots of HDDs, water cooling and tons of fans. You need two PSUs for that. I will shut up now, mister Leatherjacket will hear us...

 

[Minus Infinity]

Just watch deBauer's video on 13900K on why this is so stupid and how you should be setting a power limit between 90W-180W say. In gaming 90W eco mode barley loses and fps and uses 30-70% less power.

I know if I get the 13700K I'll set a power limit.

 

[Camm]

Would much prefer vendors come out with an 'instantly efficient' mode.

 

[Pumper]

PCWorld has some ECO mode tests. It looks like Intel is losing way more performance when you limit the watts, i.e. 105W 7950X (10% loss) vs 105W 13900K (25% loss), but the actual measured system power consumption is ~40W lower on the 13900K.

I guess AMD's ECO modes don't really limit the TDP to 105W or 65W (that is the case with my 3900X as well, as when set to 95W ECO mode with -0.1c, the CPU is still using ~124W at full load, while in normal more with -0.1v it's using 128W).

 

[Why_Me]

PCWorld has some ECO mode tests. It looks like Intel is losing way more performance when you limit the watts, i.e. 105W 7950X (10% loss) vs 105W 13900K (25% loss), but the actual measured system power consumption is ~40W lower on the 13900K.

I guess AMD's ECO modes don't really limit the TDP to 105W or 65W (that is the case with my 3900X as well, as when set to 95W ECO mode with -0.1c, the CPU is still using ~124W at full load, while in normal more with -0.1v it's using 128W).

Strange that when it was the opposite effect for DeBauer and JayZ.

 

[Valantar]

I would like to see an AIO that is basically a small custom loop where you have a quality rad and pump that has real capacity and can be refilled. I know you can buy kits but who wants to spend 500 to cool a component?

Alphacool has you covered, they make pretty much exactly that.

 

[clopezi]

I would love to see an AIO + Noctua NH-D15, this would be the real winner.

I've seen many reviews and any AIO solution it's better in cooling all system than Noctua big boy. The best of the best AIO only get maybe 2-3° less in full load than Noctua, so...

 

[ymdhis]

I would like to see an AIO that is basically a small custom loop where you have a quality rad and pump that has real capacity and can be refilled. I know you can buy kits but who wants to spend 500 to cool a component?

Alphacool AIOs are basically exactly that, a pre-assembled custom loop.

 

[Tomgang]

Nvidia got you covered, fam!

ROLF. they sure does have me covered for heating and gaming i see.

I mean, to be fair, 300W is still a pretty weak space heater. 750W together with that GPU and you're getting somewhere though! OC both and you'd probably hit 1kW.

I will deffently hit 1 KW. Just with 4090 with oc and my 5950X with PBO in games can peak at 800 watt. Adding 13900K with will have at least 100 watt over 5950X with PBO. 1 KW is well with in reach. Else my mini-itx system can help hit 1 KW with ease. With bofh system at peak. I think i can now pull more what my 1200 Watt PSU can deliver in the long run. Maybe for peak it can go, but for constant load, i think there is risk of overload. Hence why i now needs to be careful when bofh system runs a full tilt at trhe same time.

 

[Valantar]

With bofh system at peak. I think i can now pull more what my 1200 Watt PSU can deliver in the long run. Maybe for peak it can go, but for constant load, i think there is risk of overload. Hence why i now needs to be careful when bofh system runs a full tilt at trhe same time.

Only if that PSU is pretty terrible quality. ATX (electrical, not form factor) PSUs are rated for continuous output, not peak. A 1200W PSU, given adequate cooling, should be able to deliver 1200W output constantly until its MTBF (or thereabouts). Most can deliver noticeably more than their rating (OCP is often +20-30%), but at that point you're stressing components in a way that will promote premature failure. Of course a less stressed PSU will last longer, that's a given, but we're long past the era of garbage PSUs that can only reach their rated power for a fraction of a second before blowing up.

 

[Tomgang]

Only if that PSU is pretty terrible quality. ATX (electrical, not form factor) PSUs are rated for continuous output, not peak. A 1200W PSU, given adequate cooling, should be able to deliver 1200W output constantly until its MTBF (or thereabouts). Most can deliver noticeably more than their rating (OCP is often +20-30%), but at that point you're stressing components in a way that will promote premature failure. Of course a less stressed PSU will last longer, that's a given, but we're long past the era of garbage PSUs that can only reach their rated power for a fraction of a second before blowing up.

My PSU should be of good quality. It´s a phanteks revolt x 1200. The only PSU i know of that can power two systems at once, hence why i chose this PSU.

Phanteks Innovative Computer Hardware Design

www.phanteks.com

 

[zlobby]

Only if that PSU is pretty terrible quality. ATX (electrical, not form factor) PSUs are rated for continuous output, not peak. A 1200W PSU, given adequate cooling, should be able to deliver 1200W output constantly until its MTBF (or thereabouts). Most can deliver noticeably more than their rating (OCP is often +20-30%), but at that point you're stressing components in a way that will promote premature failure. Of course a less stressed PSU will last longer, that's a given, but we're long past the era of garbage PSUs that can only reach their rated power for a fraction of a second before blowing up.

Efficiency goes into the drain at max power. The rated power is the maximum power, not the nominal one.

Plus, 1200W is a SERIOUS power. Select few components can withstand 24/7 work under such loads, let alone for years.

ROLF. they sure does have me covered for heating and gaming i see.

The web is full of such memes, most of which are top kek! I was afraid that I might get banned if I post them all.

 

[Ruru]

Don't worry Lenne, Intel has you covered

Haha, I actually do have a 1366 and the bigger 775 stock coolers, they were actually somewhat usable unlike the modern slim ones.

Its funny how things that were old come back in fashion again

Rigs that can pull 800w+ at the wall might be commonplace again.

The last time I was able to pull 800w at the wall was with X5690 and GTX 570 SLi all running F@H.

Thats full load, not even playing a game

And what a great timing as prices of electricity has skyrocketed.

 

[Warigator]

I remember overclocking Core 2 Duo from 1.8 to 3 GHz. Now we are overclocking 5.8 to 6.0 GHz? Doesn't seem impressive to me.

stop spreading BS info from hub. you have techpowerup...efficiency of 13900K is very good, similar to 7950x at lower tdps.

I agree. Both 13900K and 7950X efficiency after underclock, tuning and power limiting is about the same, at for example both limited to 90 watts... according to one source. Other sources tell a completely different story (for example Hardware Unboxed), that the 7950X is much more efficient than the 13900K.

 

[clopezi]

Other sources tell a completely different story (for example Hardware Unboxed), that the 7950X is much more efficient than the 13900K.

HW acknowledge that his chart it's wrong, don't insist on this

 

[Valantar]

Efficiency goes into the drain at max power.

It's lower than at lower outputs, yes, but down the drain? No. Most modern PSU designs lose a few percentage points of efficiency between peak efficiency and 100% load.

The rated power is the maximum power, not the nominal one.

No, rated power is peak continuous output.

Plus, 1200W is a SERIOUS power. Select few components can withstand 24/7 work under such loads, let alone for years.

... and a PSU rated for that output thus needs components capable of handling that output. Sufficient cooling to keep them operating within spec is obviously a necessity, but these components are rated for sustained loads.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

I remember overclocking Core 2 Duo from 1.8 to 3 GHz. Now we are overclocking 5.8 to 6.0 GHz? Doesn't seem impressive to me.


I agree. Both 13900K and 7950X efficiency after underclock, tuning and power limiting is about the same, at for example both limited to 90 watts... according to one source. Other sources tell a completely different story (for example Hardware Unboxed), that the 7950X is much more efficient than the 13900K.

What we are seeing is that with increased complexity and manufacturing advances most things are already running at or near their limits and turbo boosting takes over the rest of it. The hay day of fun over clocking was back in the days we had an FSB and NB to deal with which actually lead to fun differences in the boards.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

... and a PSU rated for that output thus needs components capable of handling that output.

That's available wattage. The component will just use what it needs from that. I think that's what you mean?

I use a 1kw PSU, and desire the 30 amp 5v rail of it for vintage hardware.

 

[zlobby]

It's lower than at lower outputs, yes, but down the drain? No. Most modern PSU designs lose a few percentage points of efficiency between peak efficiency and 100% load.

No, rated power is peak continuous output.

... and a PSU rated for that output thus needs components capable of handling that output. Sufficient cooling to keep them operating within spec is obviously a necessity, but these components are rated for sustained loads.

Few % you say? It's more like 5% between Platinum and Silver ratings. Try this difference for a compounding interest on your mortgage. Or tell how it will reflect the power bill for 24/7/365?

Wait, weren't you one of the guys who claimed that the all the electrical power that goes into CPU is converted to thermal?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Auto OC to 6GHz is going to be hillarious.
I wonder how many people will RMA their boards because their socket melted.

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You see how it flatlines past 300W and adding more power results in next to nothing? Yeah reaching 6GHz is going to be a 500W job, most likely.

So, if you extrapolate the CB R23 results, a 6GHz OC might get the 13900K 40,750 points. Meanwhile, a 7950X is getting 94% at likely just one third the power draw. It may no longer be the fastest consumer CPU, but the 7950X sure as hell is a better CPU for consumers. For a 6GHz 13900K you're going to need a custom loop with two large radiators, a high-flow CPU block, oversized tubing throughout, and a powerful pump, if not two pumps in series. Suddenly the cost of the CPU and motherboard are irrelevant because you need to spend $1500 and a few days of your time on the cooling alone.

I am so tired of seeing garbage FUD from the AMD pandering incompetent dolts at HUB.

Maybe if he stopped trying to use midrange motherboards for overclocking his intel systems, he wouldn't look so damn stupid.

338W -> 42834 CB R23 WTH did HUB do to get 38000 at 340W.

People are already getting HUBs 340W numbers at 250W, including PCWorld of all places.

 

[Hxx]

“Gigabyte announces instant throttle. dont wait 20 sec to hit it, with a click of a button u can get there instantly”. Perfect thanks GB wonderful feature!!

 

[fluxc0d3r]

I heard to reach that speed you need to buy one of their supporting Gigabyte PSUs.